Archery Scientific Tests.

[s1wg4u]

Conclusions:

You gain skills quicker if you hit your target. I ran a test. I ran a test hitting a target nonstop with a macro. After approximately 43 seconds I gained .1 skill. I repeated this with the same macro and it took 1 min 4 seconds to gain .1 skill.


It is probable Veteran Archer is broken. When I purchased the skill Veteran Archer, I could shoot 80 arrows off in a bar of stamina. Now, With Veteran archer at 50, I can still only shoot 80 arrows with a bar of stamina. It reports in the system that it requires less stamina, but I'm not actually seeing it register.




More to come later.

[magnumopus1337]

Conclusions:

You gain skills quicker if you hit your target. I ran a test. I ran a test hitting a target nonstop with a macro. After approximately 43 seconds I gained .1 skill. I repeated this with the same macro and it took 1 min 4 seconds to gain .1 skill.


It is probable Veteran Archer is broken. When I purchased the skill Veteran Archer, I could shoot 80 arrows off in a bar of stamina. Now, With Veteran archer at 50, I can still only shoot 80 arrows with a bar of stamina. It reports in the system that it requires less stamina, but I'm not actually seeing it register.




More to come later.

You, sir, are an idiot.

Firstly - it doesn't fucking matter whether you hit targets or not, when will you people understand that. If you cannot, then take it from a level 99 archer. I skilled both on mobs and walls.

Secondly - Veteran Archer does give a significant boost. 78 VA here and I shoot arrows for 4,65 stam, while the base drain is 5,5. On the old regen system (0.5 stam a tick) I could fire about 15 more arrows than archer without VA skill.

[derrang3d]

Conclusions:

You gain skills quicker if you hit your target. I ran a test. I ran a test hitting a target nonstop with a macro. After approximately 43 seconds I gained .1 skill. I repeated this with the same macro and it took 1 min 4 seconds to gain .1 skill.


It is probable Veteran Archer is broken. When I purchased the skill Veteran Archer, I could shoot 80 arrows off in a bar of stamina. Now, With Veteran archer at 50, I can still only shoot 80 arrows with a bar of stamina. It reports in the system that it requires less stamina, but I'm not actually seeing it register.




More to come later.

Wrong on both counts chief.

[grytkungen]

This is new, exciting and scientific!

[Merlin-DDi]

Real professor on the block!

0.1 per aprox 50 to 70 arrows. You count boy!
Don't you know you shouldn't miss in PvP?

[jay4e]

Yeah you really need a lot more test to counter the range and other outside variables Not saying your necessarily wrong but. 2 min of testing proves nothing. But it is a start.

[Jezvin]

When running tests you need to do whole skill levels not just the .1, the .1 skill up gains vary while the whole levels will remain constant it was shown by some people level magic skills.

[DwellerBelow]

Real professor on the block!

0.1 per aprox 50 to 70 arrows. You count boy!
Don't you know you shouldn't miss in PvP?

You are the lamest poster I have seen in quite a long time.

[Drekor]

You gain skills quicker if you hit your target. I ran a test. I ran a test hitting a target nonstop with a macro. After approximately 43 seconds I gained .1 skill. I repeated this with the same macro and it took 1 min 4 seconds to gain .1 skill.
You want to test number of arrows shot. I can shoot 50 arrows in 2 minutes and gain 0.1 skill then shoot 50 arrows in 25 minutes and gain 0.1 skill which complete breaks your entire theory. Basis for skill gain is on actions for archery so please use number of arrows and also use a decent number not just 1 round else your tests have little accuracy.

It is probable Veteran Archer is broken. When I purchased the skill Veteran Archer, I could shoot 80 arrows off in a bar of stamina. Now, With Veteran archer at 50, I can still only shoot 80 arrows with a bar of stamina. It reports in the system that it requires less stamina, but I'm not actually seeing it register.
Run yourself out of stamina and shoot your bow and write down the amount of stam required to shoot. Get 5-10 more vet archer and repeat the test, you'll notice you need less stam. I can confirm that vet archer most certainly does work.

[riddlenzomg]

your post is scientifically gay

[warhunt]

it works b4 i got Veteran Archer it was 5.5 per shot now at 62.5 Veteran Archer 4.8677689709098877968563457683652656 per shot:ninja:

[s1wg4u]

I've read some of your posts. I wasn't aware that skill gain differed from .1 to .1. I can go back and test per a lev el.

Also, Even though it shows as 4.6 stamina a tick in the system log, I'm still only able to shoot 80 arrows. Just as I was before.

[godlikepmp]

I think people here are having a misconception of the facts and are blowing it out of proportion. This is a fact of Darkfall Online, if you shoot your arrows and HIT a TARGET it TAKES LESS ARROWS FOR YOUR SKILL TO RAISE AT ANY LEVEL COMPARED to just shooting your arrows in the sky. This is a fact anyone here can test it out and it is true. This conversation is over.

[Drekor]

I think people here are having a misconception of the facts and are blowing it out of proportion. This is a fact of Darkfall Online, if you shoot your arrows and HIT a TARGET it TAKES LESS ARROWS FOR YOUR SKILL TO RAISE AT ANY LEVEL COMPARED to just shooting your arrows in the sky. This is a fact anyone here can test it out and it is true. This conversation is over.

When you make a claim the onus is on YOU to provide facts. If you're going to claim that hitting things skills you up faster where are your numbers? You can't tell other people to test it for you or say that the conversation is over. You've proven nothing.

I could say the complete opposite as I've noticed no difference in hitting things or shooting at the air by it's all eyeballed and I have no hard facts to back up my claim.

[godlikepmp]

Im making a video so give me a few days. Then i don't want you posting anymore in this thread.

[Draikus]

Did you take into account that it gets harder to skill up as you skill up? What it takes to gain .1 skill up at 20.1 may not be the same at 20.2

[Drekor]

Im making a video so give me a few days. Then i don't want you posting anymore in this thread.

Your going to fraps hours of testing, render it then make me download it instead of simply posting your test results?

[godlikepmp]

My archery is at 43.4 i shot 500 arrows into the air and my archery skill stood the same. I used a rank 0 SHORTBOW not the STARTER BOW. Then i proceeded to go to the skeletons outside of sorgom and after about 100 arrows my skill raised to 43.6 archery. I used the same SHORTBOW not a STARTER BOW. You can all test this out yourselves and i dont plan on wasting any more arrows.

[zhandao]

What kind of scientific test has a 1 minute/0.1 skill sample size?

[magnumopus1337]

My archery is at 43.4 i shot 500 arrows into the air and my archery skill stood the same. I used a rank 0 SHORTBOW not the STARTER BOW. Then i proceeded to go to the skeletons outside of sorgom and after about 100 arrows my skill raised to 43.6 archery. I used the same SHORTBOW not a STARTER BOW. You can all test this out yourselves and i dont plan on wasting any more arrows.

Look you fucking moron - 99 archery here, skilled both on mobs and walls.
Same fucking speed (using r10 Flatbows).

[TheDor]

I can confirm that shooting at the ground raises your skill faster then shooting at the sky. After shooting straight down I gained 0.015 archery skill after approximately 1.337 minutes. I then fired upwards and only gained 0.013 archery skill after nearly 1.423 minutes of firing.

/thread

[peertje]

too many variables you didnt take out of the test.. failed

[Blakar]

My archery is at 43.4 i shot 500 arrows into the air and my archery skill stood the same. I used a rank 0 SHORTBOW not the STARTER BOW. Then i proceeded to go to the skeletons outside of sorgom and after about 100 arrows my skill raised to 43.6 archery. I used the same SHORTBOW not a STARTER BOW. You can all test this out yourselves and i dont plan on wasting any more arrows.

You never thought of the fact that if you had fired 500 arrows at mobs and then 100 at the ground it might've raised 0.1 too reversing your result completely?

[Merlin-DDi]

Best gains are if you shoot a building. Cause you basicly hit something every hit.

Newbie bows do not gain any skills because of the last patch. So allways use a r0 or higher bow.

So far i haven't noticed any diffrence in gains. Perhaps because i have a wide spread skill use and probly no longer have the advantage of a new character. But no matter if the target is a mob or a building, my gains stay arround 0.1 per 50 to 70 arrows.

Iam currently at 69,5.

[type]

This is the only way to accuratly test skill gains.

1. View your current skill level.
2. Shoot arrows untill you reach +.1. (i.e You are at 45.1, shoot untill you reach 45.2)
STOP SOON AS YOU HIT .2 Note how many arrows you have at this point

3. Equip a bow and shoot into the air while watching your skill, Shoot till you Directly hit .3

View the differance in your arrows.

4. Shoot your buddy till you goto .4, Note the differance in arrows.

At mobs it took me 45 arrows to go from .1 -> .2 -> .3 -> .4, at the next skill level it took 47.

So as long as you go from the 1st shot of 45.1 -> 45.2 you will be able to figure it out.

Ill do this when I get home and get some arrows.

[Døkkálfar]

This is the only way to accuratly test skill gains.

1. View your current skill level.
2. Shoot arrows untill you reach +.1. (i.e You are at 45.1, shoot untill you reach 45.2)
STOP SOON AS YOU HIT .2 Note how many arrows you have at this point

3. Equip a bow and shoot into the air while watching your skill, Shoot till you Directly hit .3

View the differance in your arrows.

4. Shoot your buddy till you goto .4, Note the differance in arrows.

At mobs it took me 45 arrows to go from .1 -> .2 -> .3 -> .4, at the next skill level it took 47.

So as long as you go from the 1st shot of 45.1 -> 45.2 you will be able to figure it out.

Ill do this when I get home and get some arrows.

I've done this test and posted my results on most of these damn skill gain hot polxor thread already but there we go again and for the last time.

Tested with rank 40 stalker bow at archery 70 80 and 85 shooting into the air and shooting at a stationary mob (A basalt golem).

Approximately 70-85 arrows to raise .1 tested over a full 1.0 skill gain shooting at the golem with no misses.

Shot 100 into the sky then 25-40 more into the golem to get the same .1 skill gain, and again tested over a full 1.0 skill level.

All three times when I tested this (once at 70, 80, and 85) on average I gained skill by hitting the mob approximately 35% faster (meaning I had to shoot less arrows so took less time) with less arrows than shooting into the sky.

I didn't run this test on shooting destructible targets like crates because I don't normally macro my skills and figured the game registers a hit as a hit regardless of the target, so I assume the results would be similar if not exactly the same.

[Drekor]

My archery is at 43.4 i shot 500 arrows into the air and my archery skill stood the same. I used a rank 0 SHORTBOW not the STARTER BOW. Then i proceeded to go to the skeletons outside of sorgom and after about 100 arrows my skill raised to 43.6 archery. I used the same SHORTBOW not a STARTER BOW. You can all test this out yourselves and i dont plan on wasting any more arrows.

I used a shortbow till it broke(about 560 arrows) and went from 57.1 to 58.2 shooting at a mountain side.

[fiddyep]

Next time you test this, link yourself your archery skill before and after firing the arrows, linking the skill shows your skill down to the 6th decimal.

[Jamboreen]

I have skilled up archery both when i fired my bow, and when i hit someone with my arrow.

[Belaz]

I can confirm, very little difference between shooting arrows into mobs or into the ground. By very little I mean I gained .00001 less on my second 100 arrows into mobs than I did the first 100 into the ground.

[Oh Es Eye]

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[Goblin Scout]

Welcome to Theoryfail!

[godlikepmp]

Well then i guess the problem with my test was i shot upwards in the sky at the sun instead of shooting the ground or side a building. Maybe hitting that registers the same as a mob or person i'll check it out.

[godlikepmp]

Okay i just ran a test in town involving shooting arrows at a box in town. i was at 43.9 archery skill and it took 33 arrows for my skill to raise to 44. So i apologize for earlier posts because my tests involved shooting in the sky which did not seem to raise at all. This is probably one of the things im glad to be wrong in and now i am going to go get 100 archery skill. Peace

[grytkungen]

OK so i ran this test.. i shot arrows

[Merlin-DDi]

Sinds i skilled 70ish it toke me aprox 750 arrows per 1.0 in skill to reach 75.

Seems that the ~ depends on your skill level on how mutch you gain.

Example,

Lvl 10, 10 to 20 arrows per 0.1
Lvl 50, 50 to 60 arrows per 0.1
Lvl 70, 70 to 80 arrows per 0.1

etc, etc. Think iam not far off.

Wonder if same thing applies for melee weapons.

[riddlenzomg]

I think people here are having a misconception of the facts and are blowing it out of proportion. This is a fact of Darkfall Online, if you shoot your arrows and HIT a TARGET it TAKES LESS ARROWS FOR YOUR SKILL TO RAISE AT ANY LEVEL COMPARED to just shooting your arrows in the sky. This is a fact anyone here can test it out and it is true. This conversation is over.

considering you gain the skill when the arrow is fired not when it hits i just have a strong feeling your wrong

p.s. go back to wow

[Stigma]

Conclusions:

You gain skills quicker if you hit your target. I ran a test. I ran a test hitting a target nonstop with a macro. After approximately 43 seconds I gained .1 skill. I repeated this with the same macro and it took 1 min 4 seconds to gain .1 skill.


It is probable Veteran Archer is broken. When I purchased the skill Veteran Archer, I could shoot 80 arrows off in a bar of stamina. Now, With Veteran archer at 50, I can still only shoot 80 arrows with a bar of stamina. It reports in the system that it requires less stamina, but I'm not actually seeing it register.

More to come later.

Sorry, if you want to be SCIENTIFIC about it, then this kind of test methodology just dosn't cut it.

The most glaring problem here is that your sample size is woefully indequate. Since you only looked at results down to one decimalpoint its quite possible for this to be explained by other things than the leveling speed being different. For example your assuming that each arrow allways levels the skill up a little bit. What if that amount is randomized? What if it only has a chance of leveling it up instead of it being every time you fire?

If you had say for example:
1) Shot 1000 arrows on each
2) Used the much better accuracy numbers given in linking the skill

Then we might actually have some halfway trustworthy results.

EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the data and the fact that you bothered to share it with us, but its just not good enough to make a conclusion based on this.

-Stigma

[Coneitic]

you gain skill from shooting the bow regardless if you shoot a mob or shoot the sky.

i know for a fact that 3500 arrows gets you from 61-70 shooting absolutely nothing.

i never really gave a fuck to test out this scientific theory... guess im not starving for attention or hoping people think im smart. i just wanna level my shit and pvp.

but at almost 90 archery now imo you skill gain regardless of what your shooting. but i believe there is a small bonus multiplier for hitting something. either it adds on.... never seen a bonus that does anywhere close to .1, so maybe the bonus adds on to the next shot.

either way if you count every arrow, and every .00001 skill you mine as well be putting your nutz in a vice grip.

[Long John Peter]

actually the skillgain happens when the arrow hits.
i thought it was when you shoot but when i was fooling around and trying to hit people by shooting straight up i got two skillups when arrows hit the ground after the 10-15 sec flight.

but it's still a fact that there is no difference in hitting players/mobs or just shoot at the ground/sky.
at least from what i can tell at 95 archery.

[grytkungen]

Since I've been leveling archery now for a couple of days, yesterday I did this:

80.2 skill, 43.7 sharpshooter. 2000 arrows spent: result: 82.3 skill, 50 sharpshooter.

at 80.2 skill (43.7 sharpshooter), i took 1000 arrows and grinded down on hordegaunts. id say with pretty good certainity that i missed maybe 1/10 shots.

After shooting up the 1000 arrows, i had 81.3 archery and 46.9 sharpshooter. I then went and fired another 1000 arrows, but this time at the bank at the city.

After doing this, i had 82.3 archery and 50 sharpshooter. That means, for the first 1000 arrows:

+1.1 skill, +3.2 sharp

For the second 1000 arrows:

+1,0 skill, +3.1 sharp.

Now, depending on how many arrows i had fired into 0.2 at first, and 0.3 after the first 1000 arrows, the skillgain could probably have been constant. That is, the less 0.1 for skill and sharpshooter on the second 1000 arrows might as well have been started before.

Anyway, this proves pretty clear to me that you do NOT gain more skill from shooting at targets.

[Goblin Scout]

at a player bank or npc bank? i think if you shot your guild bank, because it has health then it registers a hit, but if npc bank, maybe not. either way its a good test and i'll definately try this as well.

[grytkungen]

at a player bank or npc bank? i think if you shot your guild bank, because it has health then it registers a hit, but if npc bank, maybe not. either way its a good test and i'll definately try this as well.

Ok .. no. A bank does not register a hit, then you would be able to skill with meleeweapons on it.

And I fired into the ground, not at the bank itself. I was at the bank.

[holychicken]

I love how many people "know for a fact" different and often contradictory things.

[yuppy]

very scientific.

[Koribundar]

I'm going to solve this debate once and for all.

Ok, are you guys ready for the answer?

1. Get a shit ton of arrows.. you're going to need more than 12. Definately less than 594234987234234921897
2. Shoot them. Really, you have to do this. I found that swinging my 2hander doesn't level my archery.
3. Don't watch your skill progress. You will become mentally unstable and post retarded questions on forums about why it isn't leveling fast enough for you.
4. At some point, probably after your 300th shot, but definately before your 3485473845982th shot, you'll hit 75 and be able to get the uber masteries.

any questions?

[Goblin Scout]

I'm going to solve this debate once and for all.

Ok, are you guys ready for the answer?

1. Get a shit ton of arrows.. you're going to need more than 12. Definately less than 594234987234234921897
2. Shoot them. Really, you have to do this. I found that swinging my 2hander doesn't level my archery.
3. Don't watch your skill progress. You will become mentally unstable and post retarded questions on forums about why it isn't leveling fast enough for you.
4. At some point, probably after your 300th shot, but definately before your 3485473845982th shot, you'll hit 75 and be able to get the uber masteries.

any questions?

where do babies come from?

[Goblin Scout]

I'm going to solve this debate once and for all.

Ok, are you guys ready for the answer?

1. Get a shit ton of arrows.. you're going to need more than 12. Definately less than 594234987234234921897
2. Shoot them. Really, you have to do this. I found that swinging my 2hander doesn't level my archery.
3. Don't watch your skill progress. You will become mentally unstable and post retarded questions on forums about why it isn't leveling fast enough for you.
4. At some point, probably after your 300th shot, but definately before your 3485473845982th shot, you'll hit 75 and be able to get the uber masteries.

any questions?

did gobbling cock help you come to this conclusion? be honest.

[Koribundar]

where do babies come from?

NovaScotia

[Koribundar]

did gobbling cock help you come to this conclusion? be honest.

A little

[Goblin Scout]

aight i'll try when i get home (shooting arrows)

[Odium]

You guys realize that the number you see in the skills list is a rounded number right? Even if it says you're at say 61 skill you might actually be at 60.91234

[Zexlion]

Darkfall dev's must really get a laugh out of reading all of our theorizing. It is probably one reason they don't give out info...so we can keep theorizing and they can keep laughing.