To all weaponsmiths out there and oens to come.

[Blacksun]

Ok guys this is a good patch for us and a chance to set up a descent economy for us. Since everyone can no longer skill up using newb weapons and you dont see many rank 0 2 handers dropping mostly 1 handers we can set a descent rate. Im an alfar so rates may change slightly from race to race on what mats sell for. I highly suggest tho take current market value of mats. iron ingots wood etc. and charge the cost to maek the weapon. If you start undercutting and trying ot get the business no one will win. Alfar Claymore rank0 2 hand sword 5 ingots 1 wood to make cost to make 55-60 gold per. I do not charge a fee to make the combine on rank 0 weapons you get skill from it even tho it is small and is fine. As you get to making the higher rank weapons tho it can be one hell of a grind to get there and is viable to charge small fee for making it since you spent the time grinding and gathering mats to get there.
Rank 10s maybe charge 5-10 gold to make tops rank 20s 20-25 and rank 30s 40-50 to make. If they want to bring mats go for it and if it's a higher rank just use cost to get the charge for combine in mats.

Once you get to mastery and have to level that up with rank 40s granted its one hell of a grind to get there the charging for combine may not be there or will be low still because you have to make those only for lvling mastery. There is also alot of rank 40 dropped weapons of all kinds which is why the sell rate will be low. Anyways good luck to all and lets not screw ourselves and make it so we can't make money at all.

[Polanderdf]

I think this applies to us un-guilded solo types for sure. It is pretty much exactly what I am doing post patch. /agree.

[apher]

We'll see how's it gonna go. You maight be right but I'm affraid that we may as well end up with weaponsmithing skill being a must have for almost everyone. It's only 500g, you can buy it after doing goblin warlord quest. That is certainly not a good news for weaponcrafters.

[Blacksun]

Yeah you do have a point there apher but, they can make rank 0s maybe rank 10s after a bit. I highly doubt tho that those that pick it up just for the purpose of getting some rank 0s for skilling up on will grind it up to a high level and make high end weapons. Those of us that took it int he beginnign and stuck to it and are still working on it will come out ahead in the long run especially if we go by this and don't give stuff away below cost.

[Rhynn]

We'll see how's it gonna go. You maight be right but I'm affraid that we may as well end up with weaponsmithing skill being a must have for almost everyone. It's only 500g, you can buy it after doing goblin warlord quest. That is certainly not a good news for weaponcrafters.

It's a waste of 500g, honestly unless you're going to go well beyond crafting r0 items. There's no difference between mob dropped r0 weapons and crafted r0 weapons from a newbie crafter. So factor that in, plus the fail rate at lower levels.

Now, compare that same newbie-crafted/mob dropped 53 durability, .30 damage r0 greatsword to my advanced crafter 83+ durability, .40+ damage r0 greatsword. Crafted from the exact same mats, with the exact same cost. That's extremely close to r20 greatsword stats for only 5 ingots 1 wood.

[kelthroun]

/agree with Blacksun.I am alfar as well. People may take weaponsmith apher but they wont stick with it! trust me...

[Blacksun]

Well a little update after one night of the new patch. The demand for weaponsmithing is a lil more now which is nice to see. Also people are understanding at the cost of mats some just have to explain to them takes x amount of ingots 10g per market value etc. Ive made 46 weapons now rank 0 to rank 10 combination. I havent made a killin on them but low ranks you shouldnt make a lot. I've managed ot deplete my small wood/timber I had harvested up and now need to replenish and smelt up 600 ore. Thanks to the buyers for the tips and business. Oh and other weaponsmiths if you do good work and it doesnt take long to make the orders and you get them good products because of good skill you will get tips above market cost charging. Say like alfar claymores 60 gold and rank 10 greatswords 110 gold they do sell. Granted the 10s is only 10g profit but it adds up and money is made on the high end weapons anyways. GL to all and anyone needing more Ill be around and restocking timber. Thanks again.

[Hooligan.]

Quick question, how much are you selling these r0 weapons for? Because I think I can farm maybe 50 an hour.

[Nicholai Pestot]

Quick question, how much are you selling these r0 weapons for? Because I think I can farm maybe 50 an hour.

Do your farmed rank 0's have 70 durability? ;)

[Polanderdf]

Quick question, how much are you selling these r0 weapons for? Because I think I can farm maybe 50 an hour.


Yeah..umm...where do you farm 2h axe, hammer, polearm...etc. I am not a deep woods adventurer but I never seen a mob that was easy to kill, ie-hundereds of kills an hour, drop some of the weapons that players are using.

Thanks for your input though.

[Klayo]

I just grind mobs for rank 40s and have 50 in an hour.

[Blacksun]

bump for others to see

[Requiamer]

I have seen a lot of crafter crafting rank zero weapons for free if you give the mats, i guess some people are less gready, and are very fine if the noobs will let them skill up...

Also i won't ever give 50 gold for a rank0 weapon, i think you are dreaming if you think you'll get lot of customer with those prices.
I can make a rank 0 polearm with few rocks, wood and leather i got ton from gobos? wood and rock is so fucking easy to get, just gather one hour around your noobi town and have enough mat to make polearm untill you reach 100skill...
Now guys good luck to you.

So ye giving 500g for weaponsmithing is a must, at least you'll be able to make yourself a quick weapon without looking around for a non gready crafter. Just let few mat always in your banks in case of. But i gues any moron can come to that conclusion.

[Eht]

I have seen a lot of crafter crafting rank zero weapons for free if you give the mats, i guess some people are less gready,

Also i won't ever give 50 gold for a rank0 weapon, i think you are dreaming if you think you'll get lot of customer with those prices.


So you would buy a 2H sword for mats, but not for 50g?
Idiots like you are my primary money source, please continue along this road :sly:

[Nicholai Pestot]

So you would buy a 2H sword for mats, but not for 50g?
Idiots like you are my primary money source, please continue along this road :sly:

Shuuu, exploiting idiots like him who don't understand opportunity cost is the only way some crafts can make money ;)

[Galadon]

Ok guys this is a good patch for us and a chance to set up a descent economy for us. Since everyone can no longer skill up using newb weapons and you dont see many rank 0 2 handers dropping mostly 1 handers we can set a descent rate. Im an alfar so rates may change slightly from race to race on what mats sell for. I highly suggest tho take current market value of mats. iron ingots wood etc. and charge the cost to maek the weapon. If you start undercutting and trying ot get the business no one will win. Alfar Claymore rank0 2 hand sword 5 ingots 1 wood to make cost to make 55-60 gold per. I do not charge a fee to make the combine on rank 0 weapons you get skill from it even tho it is small and is fine. As you get to making the higher rank weapons tho it can be one hell of a grind to get there and is viable to charge small fee for making it since you spent the time grinding and gathering mats to get there.
Rank 10s maybe charge 5-10 gold to make tops rank 20s 20-25 and rank 30s 40-50 to make. If they want to bring mats go for it and if it's a higher rank just use cost to get the charge for combine in mats.

Once you get to mastery and have to level that up with rank 40s granted its one hell of a grind to get there the charging for combine may not be there or will be low still because you have to make those only for lvling mastery. There is also alot of rank 40 dropped weapons of all kinds which is why the sell rate will be low. Anyways good luck to all and lets not screw ourselves and make it so we can't make money at all.


Your little model isn't counting in the clan-sponsored crafters which don't have to grind for mats and skill up much much faster. With a bigger supply it's much easier and cheaper to make more high end weapons.

Therefore if your profit margins are too high on the low end weapons they won't sell if too many clan-sponsored crafters are selling too many high end weapons for a lower margin.

[Drekor]

So you would buy a 2H sword for mats, but not for 50g?
Idiots like you are my primary money source, please continue along this road :sly:

Hahah, yea I got a good laugh from that as well.