Electrical driven cars

[Tiarilir]

Hi. I'm very interested in electrical driven cars and I'd like to know what I'd need to know.

Basically about these points:

What's the cost, to drive them and to buy them. Is it worthwile?
Is it better for the climate? How does it affect the world compared to "regular" cars?
I'm very interested in the climate, what's the level of affection in carbon oxide levels, compared to "regular cars", again?
Any other thing you think I'd need to know before buying one. I'm more interested in theoretic facts than cold hard knowledge.

[ExiliuM]

Fuck that shit, just get this (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/TeslaRoadster-front.jpg) badass.

[Paulrevere]

Fuck that shit, just get this (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/TeslaRoadster-front.jpg) badass.

Anything with the name Tesla in it must be badass.

[KalCwn]

Electicity comes from giant coal burning plants.

Electric cars suck.

[Fordiest]

Hi. I'm very interested in electrical driven cars and I'd like to know what I'd need to know.

Basically about these points:

* What's the cost, to drive them and to buy them. Is it worthwile?

Buying them at this point is outrageous, they are way expensive. Look at the Prius, and it's a "hybrid." There was a study done on owning a Honda Fit vs a Toyota Prius. Not only will the Honda Fit create less pollution (and be much more reliable) over the life of the car, but it takes 12 years driving 12,000 miles a year to make up the cost difference on the Prius. Most "hybrid / electric" cars are a sham.

* Is it better for the climate? How does it affect the world compared to "regular" cars?

See above statement, it takes 3x as much pollution to make a Prius than it does a Chevy truck. Don't think cars that run on E85 are any better, Ethanol production from corn doesn't have any regulations, so all their waste is just dumped into rivers, and it's highly toxic.

* I'm very interested in the climate, what's the level of affection in carbon oxide levels, compared to "regular cars", again?

Again, it takes 3x more pollution to create a Prius than it does a Chevy truck. Climate change is a scam, don't believe in it. Every true scientist points to what we're seeing as normal climate change. Think of it this way, a cow "farts" 500 liters of methane a day. On average, that's 2 times more greenhouse gasses than a car does, methane is 23 times more "destructive" (for a lack of a better term) than CO2. We should limit our beef consumption instead of our fuel consumption*****me****

* Any other thing you think I'd need to know before buying one. I'm more interested in theoretic facts than cold hard knowledge.

If you really want to own a alternative fuel car, look at Honda. Generally, owning an alternative fuel car means you're going to drive less than 100ish miles a day. Honda has a new natural gas driven vehicle with a 100+ mile range per day, and they can set up fueling stations in your house. The cost per mile is about half, if I remember correctly, of what a petrol driven car is.


*****me*****The only reason to rave about wanting alternative fuel cars right now is to save oil. I'm a car enthusiast, have been racing since I was 12, and I support alternative fuels for one reason; If we run out of oil, I will have to do a lot of engine modification to my car to run E85, and no other fuel feels the same as petrol. Petrol has many drawbacks but it's just something about the smell, the feel, and the way it works that draws me into cars. I'm currently working on rebuilding a '70 Dodge Challenger, and the last thing I want to do is convert the beast into an E85 whore. My current daily driver is a 2000 Honda Prelude 5speed, and I love that car more than anything in this world. I keep it as stock as possible (- some minor engine mods) and don't want to ever convert the engine to e85.

[alfaroverall]

For the most part they're not commercially available. Overall they are more energy efficient than other vehicles, even if the power that they are using is derived from fossil fuels (in the US most power comes from coal for instance). Their main utility IMO is that unlike many other types of vehicles, they can get their fuel source from a wide variety of different basic sources. That is, electricity can be generated in a wide variety of different ways, some of which will be going away sooner or later (e.g. coal), some of which will not (e.g. wind). Gasoline can be generated in only one way: get oil, refine it. So in the long run electric vehicles will just be more practical in general, since they'll have a source for their fuel.

But yeah, these pretty much aren't on the market atm.

[Aacevedo]

Buy a high efficency diesel car, Peugeout and Citroen have really good cars in this sector.
Like the Peugeot 308 diesel , also it's not very expensive.

"The Peugeot 308 holds the world record of the most fuel-efficient mainstream car currently on production, having averaged 3.13 litres per 100 kilometres (90.2 mpg-imp; 75.1 mpg-US) over a distance of 14,580 kilometres (9,060 mi).[2]."

Source wikipedia.

[Ziegler]

Buy a high efficency diesel car, Peugeout and Citroen have really good cars in this sector.
Like the Peugeot 308 diesel , also it's not very expensive.

"The Peugeot 308 holds the world record of the most fuel-efficient mainstream car currently on production, having averaged 3.13 litres per 100 kilometres (90.2 mpg-imp; 75.1 mpg-US) over a distance of 14,580 kilometres (9,060 mi).[2]."

Source wikipedia.

http://www.carpages.co.uk/peugeot/peugeot-308-review-part-1-25-11-07.asp

Wiki... 'nuf said

[Fordiest]

Buy a high efficency diesel car, Peugeout and Citroen have really good cars in this sector.
Like the Peugeot 308 diesel , also it's not very expensive.

"The Peugeot 308 holds the world record of the most fuel-efficient mainstream car currently on production, having averaged 3.13 litres per 100 kilometres (90.2 mpg-imp; 75.1 mpg-US) over a distance of 14,580 kilometres (9,060 mi).[2]."

Source wikipedia.

Please don't get a Citroen. I've heard pretty rave reviews about the new Fiat Panda for a basic commuter.

[WhiteF1ame]

99% of the electricity generated in the United States comes from conventional sources, vast majority from fossil fuels. Its like the idiots who fuel their cars with ethanol and biodiesel, the crops consume more fossil fuel in the form of fertilizer, pesticides and machinery than they provide.

[Milo Hobgoblin]

Hi. I'm very interested in electrical driven cars and I'd like to know what I'd need to know.

Basically about these points:

What's the cost, to drive them and to buy them. Is it worthwile?
Is it better for the climate? How does it affect the world compared to "regular" cars?
I'm very interested in the climate, what's the level of affection in carbon oxide levels, compared to "regular cars", again?
Any other thing you think I'd need to know before buying one. I'm more interested in theoretic facts than cold hard knowledge.



sort of like the current group of climatologists. quit worryng about the climate.

drive what you can afford to put gas in.

[Ignotis]

Really there's no point buying smart or electric cars. Diesels are ahead of the curb. Not only are these engines far more superior torque and horsepower wise to their gas counter parts, they also get exceedingly better mpg. There are many trucks racing competitively that are getting 55 mpg while still remaining 700 hp. The new jetta has been reported to get 58 mpg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4BrHzlOOQg

[alfaroverall]

99% of the electricity generated in the United States comes from conventional sources, vast majority from fossil fuels. Its like the idiots who fuel their cars with ethanol and biodiesel, the crops consume more fossil fuel in the form of fertilizer, pesticides and machinery than they provide.
This is actually false for electric vehicles. The efficiency of using the power plant and the power cables to supply your energy instead of your individual engine is actually dramatically higher, largely because electric motors waste less energy and because power plants can be designed for large-scale efficiency better than moving vehicles can.

99% is also a grossly exaggerated figure. Here's a source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sources_of_electricity_in_the_USA_2 006.png

Electric vehicles are also, overall, cheaper and more efficient to produce and maintain, simply because they have fewer parts. That whole problem of a vehicle spontaneously bursting into flames, for example, is not present when your energy source is electricity, and multiple different parts of gasoline-powered vehicles are dedicated just to making it so that doesn't happen.

Also, 1 cow yields 500 liters of methane a day? Holy shit, I should totally buy a cow and hook it up to my hot water heater! :rolleyes:

[Erroneous]

walk.

[Qikdraw]

Buying them at this point is outrageous, they are way expensive. Look at the Prius, and it's a "hybrid." There was a study done on owning a Honda Fit vs a Toyota Prius. Not only will the Honda Fit create less pollution (and be much more reliable) over the life of the car, but it takes 12 years driving 12,000 miles a year to make up the cost difference on the Prius. Most "hybrid / electric" cars are a sham.


What rate are you calculating the gas per gallon? Cause that effects everything. It went over $4 a gallon where I am and so a hybrid is worth it at that point. If your calculating at a price from 8 years ago, I can see the point. However a few articles I have read have said that as soon as the economy starts getting better, gas prices are gonna go back up. So buy a Prius or hybrid car now, while you can get a better deal, and demand is low.

Hybrids are worth it, although in the end alternitive fuels or 100% electric cars are the way to go. This is what Obama should be dumping money into, not GM or Chrysler.