$614.30 USD weekly in taxes from my paycheck...

[Salardc]

Federal Withholding
$352.81
Social Security
$107.31
Medicare
$25.10
California
$110.04
CA SDI
$19.04



This is going to kill me...

WTF am I getting for all this in taxes, now i know why my dad goes crazy come tax time... this is b.s.

/ventingoff

[Baralis]

Just wait untill the Dems increase the federal tax on gasoline and energy. Then whats left of your paycheck will cover even less.

[Jack_Daniel]

I blame Obama!

[Salardc]

why even bother working...wtf

[I Eat Children]

Federal Withholding
$352.81
Social Security
$107.31
Medicare
$25.10
California
$110.04
CA SDI
$19.04



This is going to kill me...

WTF am I getting for all this in taxes, now i know why my dad goes crazy come tax time... this is b.s.

/ventingoff

Its doesn't help you live in the most liberal part of the US.

[Salardc]

and they already tax fuel up the yinyang here (something like 37 cent on the gallon) and they want to start charging even MORE sales tax in addition to the 8.75% they are already raping me for (they just had a 1% increase - from 7.75%)

[I Eat Children]

and they already tax fuel up the yinyang here (something like 37 cent on the gallon) and they want to start charging even MORE sales tax in addition to the 8.75% they are already raping me for (they just had a 1% increase - from 7.75%)

The only advice I can give ya man is that you need to GTFO of California.

[Qikdraw]

Yup. Arnie fucked the budget up big time. What an ass.

[Jack_Daniel]

Yup. Arnie fucked the budget up big time. What an ass.

Conan made a great king. I think you're just jealous.

[Labouts]

That info would be more relevant if we could compare it to how much you make. If You make $10,000 a week that's not much; if it's $2,000 that's a lot.

[Odie]

I have the perfect solution..! Go kill yourself and you'll never have to pay taxes ever again or just don't pay them and have 615.30USD for youself.

[ForzikTheFeared]

I have the perfect solution..! Go kill yourself and you'll never have to pay taxes ever again or just don't pay them and have 615.30USD for youself.

Said from some guy living with his parents on SSI.

[Salardc]

lets just say I take home 1100 a week... so its alot of money to me...

...student loans take up most of the rest

[PirateGlen]

lets just say I take home 1100 a week... so its alot of money to me...

...student loans take up most of the rest

Based on federal withholding should ballpark income at 87,000 a year.

1100 a week should only be ~200/week in federal. I suspect some fudging.

[mrbubbles]

Come up and live in good ole' Oregon. theres no sales tax (just a slightly increased income tax) and in portland we have really good public transportation system so you wont need a car much.

but if you aren't used to rain dont come. I am pretty fucking serious here.

[Salardc]

annual income of 97k weekly disbursements... no fudging sir

[Nevron]

Come up and live in good ole' Oregon. theres no sales tax (just a slightly increased income tax) and in portland we have really good public transportation system so you wont need a car much.

but if you aren't used to rain dont come. I am pretty fucking serious here.

Fuck Oregon. I stopped there on my trek home from Fort Lewis for gas. I opened up the door to some snaggle-toothed wench all up in my shit asking if I'll be using cash or credit, because she has to pump my gas for me. Never again.

[Salardc]

you make 97k but live like you make min wage every where else in the nation... sad really

[rockyraccoon]

annual income of 97k weekly disbursements... no fudging sir

Your a student, how do you make that much?

[Salardc]

im not a student, where does it say that??

student loan payemnts if that was the confusion sir

I work as a chiropractor

[WhiteF1ame]

Federal Withholding
$352.81
Social Security
$107.31
Medicare
$25.10
California
$110.04
CA SDI
$19.04



This is going to kill me...

WTF am I getting for all this in taxes, now i know why my dad goes crazy come tax time... this is b.s.

/ventingoff

Who else is going to pay for the hospital costs of child rearing illegal aliens?

[PirateGlen]

annual income of 97k weekly disbursements... no fudging sir

That's 1865 a week, not 1100 as you said. I guess what you meant was 1100 after taxes.

[Salardc]

oh yeah, i over looked that part... seriously, im starting to get really depressed, you go school, take out loans and your buddies that lived it up in college and skated by through life make about the same amount if not more and dont have the loans and live far better lives... and because I only have a lic to practice in california i cant just up and move outta state... talk about quagmire...

[Nevron]

That's 1865 a week, not 1100 as you said. I guess what you meant was 1100 after taxes.

Well he did say he takes home 1100 a week, so that itself implies after deductions.

[Salardc]

That's 1865 a week, not 1100 as you said. I guess what you meant was 1100 after taxes.

yah after taxes sorry about that.

And I dont really have anything to write off, so I guess im stuck with the withholdings :/

[Salardc]

where can I look online to see where my tax dollars are going in each bracket in chart/pie graph form. I'm seriously pissed off about it, and I wanna know where my money is going ala illegal alien health care as stated above...

[Qikdraw]

I work as a chiropractor

Get a real job you quack.

[Salardc]

Get a real job you quack.

thanks ill keep that in mind...

wait... your profile says you are off work due to a bad back...

what happened to you?

[Vessol]

thanks ill keep that in mind...

wait... your profile says you are off work due to a bad back...

what happened to you?

Evil chiropractor.

[Qikdraw]

where can I look online to see where my tax dollars are going in each bracket in chart/pie graph form. I'm seriously pissed off about it, and I wanna know where my money is going ala illegal alien health care as stated above...

Does it really matter? Seriously. Once it leaves your hands, its no longer yours. Its the governments, it ain't yours no more.

And I do blame Arnie for Cali's problems. Remember when Davis wanted to temporarily raise car registration fees? Arnies big thing was oh no we can't raise taxes on ANYTHING! Then he gets in office, stops the 11 billion dollar lawsuit against Enron for bilking Cali out of money, cuts registration fees, cuts taxes, and now he has to raise registration fees, and raise taxes, and republicans here still want more tax cuts. WTF is with that shit?

Yeah Arnie I like him on environmental and social shit, but everything else he's horrible.

[Salardc]

i distintly remember him saying he wont raise taxes... hmmm

then the other day he says "im not up for reelection you nobody can scare me"...
WTF thanks conan

[Salardc]

he is the worst governer ever, but we are stupid for electing and releecting a foreign actor... no other counrty let alone state would do that. Why would you put the worlds 7th largest economy (Cali) in the hands of an imbecile who is a womanizer and a drug user and steroid abuser and only has political ties because of his wife..

[Vessol]

he is the worst governer ever, but we are stupid for electing and releecting a foreign actor... no other counrty let alone state would do that. Why would you put the worlds 7th largest economy (Cali) in the hands of an imbecile who is a womanizer and a drug user and steroid abuser and only has political ties because of his wife..

He has Crom behind him. Never underestimate Crom.

[Qikdraw]

thanks ill keep that in mind...

:D

wait... your profile says you are off work due to a bad back...

what happened to you?

Long story short... Scoliosis from birth.

before (http://www.mts.net/~bmcgraw/preop.jpg) (1983)
after (http://www.mts.net/~bmcgraw/postop.jpg) (1983)

Now the discs below my rods have deteriorated and its bone grinding on bone, pinching nerves. Now I can't walk, sit or stand too long before the pain gets to be too much.

Don't take what I said too personally about being a quack. :D I've had some real idiots in your line of work say they could have fixed me up without surgery. Plus my wife used to be an insurance defence lawyer, so she's seen so much bullshit from claims it ain't funny. There are good ones out there, I'm just not a big believer in them is all.

[Salardc]

99.9% of us are quacks...

and OMG those harrington rods gotta be brutal. are you having any breathing problems...

and no chiropractor in their right mind would say they can help anyone with a scoliosis of more than 5-10% and that just means slowing the progression, I have some patients like that and I always tell them " I am not a miracle worker"...

but yah, im sure your wife has seen a crap load of bs, I'm actually trying to get a job with an insurance company to go after quacky docs so lol it might all work out in the end

[Baralis]

but we are stupid for electing and releecting

Thats the reason for all our govenment stupidity. They screw everything up over and over and we reelect them over and over.

[Qikdraw]

i distintly remember him saying he wont raise taxes... hmmm

Yeah, but teh sales tax went up. He may mean he won't raise taxes on his rich buddies. ALl the rest of us poor folk have to pay instead.

then the other day he says "im not up for reelection you nobody can scare me"...
WTF thanks conan

lol Yeah well, Arnie is good for some entertainng sound bites. I loved it when he said that if other governors didn't want stimulus money he would take it. While he's a fucked up gov, he is entertaining.

he is the worst governer ever, but we are stupid for electing and releecting a foreign actor... no other counrty let alone state would do that. Why would you put the worlds 7th largest economy (Cali) in the hands of an imbecile who is a womanizer and a drug user and steroid abuser and only has political ties because of his wife..

I think the whole recall election was stupid. Davis won, fair and square, and if you liked him or not he should have had his 4 years. California's recall thing is idiotic.

[Salardc]

yeah i dont know why citizens are so masochistic when it comes to incumbents...

and i agree that the recalls are stupid...

and I think brown will be our next governor...
hopefully he will make some decent changes...

then again all politicians are the same so...

[Qikdraw]

99.9% of us are quacks...

:lmao:

and OMG those harrington rods gotta be brutal. are you having any breathing problems...

Newp, just pain. They were put in using the Luque method. I've seen the pins they more commonly use now, and thats pretty cool. Its amazing how much they've changed things since my surgery.

The breathing problems came before, which is why my doctors wanted to do surgery on me when I was 12, before puberty, they weren't sure I would not curve drastically more during the growing process. Basically they said if I didn't have the surgery I would probably die by the time I was 20. Dr. David Bradford was the guy who did my surgery, back when he was in Minneapolis.

and no chiropractor in their right mind would say they can help anyone with a scoliosis of more than 5-10% and that just means slowing the progression, I have some patients like that and I always tell them " I am not a miracle worker"...

Well then you're one of the few good ones. :D

but yah, im sure your wife has seen a crap load of bs, I'm actually trying to get a job with an insurance company to go after quacky docs so lol it might all work out in the end

Cool. Good luck with that. I told my wife what you have ben saying, and she's laughing pretty hard. :)

[Galadon]

Federal Withholding
$352.81
Social Security
$107.31
Medicare
$25.10
California
$110.04
CA SDI
$19.04



This is going to kill me...

WTF am I getting for all this in taxes, now i know why my dad goes crazy come tax time... this is b.s.

/ventingoff

It's funny how for being such a capitalist country with probably the worst health care of all developed countries amongst other things...you pay as much taxes as we do in Canada. Doesn't that just suck...you pay the same but you get little to nothing in return. At least when I bitch about my taxes I remember that I'm living in a safe, peaceful country, that the government is subsidizing my college education which is as high quality as any other developed country...and that I'll have some of the best medical care in the world if anything happens to me.

Sry that I'm bragging...but American's should think about this next time they cry out "Socialism! Communism!" when someone mentions universal health care to them.

[Salardc]

lol im glad I could spice up your night.. its always nice to make the wife laugh... mine laughs at me mostly... never really with me if you catch mah drift hehe

[Qikdraw]

yeah i dont know why citizens are so masochistic when it comes to incumbents...

and i agree that the recalls are stupid...

and I think brown will be our next governor...
hopefully he will make some decent changes...

then again all politicians are the same so...

Jerry Brown? The guy from back in the 70s?

[Salardc]

It's funny how for being such a capitalist country with probably the worst health care of all developed countries amongst other things...you pay as much taxes as we do in Canada. Doesn't that just suck...you pay the same but you get little to nothing in return. At least when I bitch about my taxes I remember that I'm living in a safe, peaceful country, that the government is subsidizing my college education which is as high quality as any other developed country...and that I'll have some of the best medical care in the world if anything happens to me.

Sry that I'm bragging...but American's should think about this next time they cry out "Socialism! Communism!" when someone mentions universal health care to them.

My wife's canadian, from ottawa, and I hear this all the time.. i gues sim almost a canadian citizen just gotta take a test... then i get all those benefits too ay? plus I get to say ay...

plus get to eat poutine and beaver tail when we go up there..

and you are right about the taxes man its bs

[Qikdraw]

lol im glad I could spice up your night.. its always nice to make the wife laugh... mine laughs at me mostly... never really with me if you catch mah drift hehe

Right there with ya buddy. lol

[Qikdraw]

My wife's canadian, from ottawa, and I hear this all the time.. i gues sim almost a canadian citizen just gotta take a test... then i get all those benefits too ay? plus I get to say ay...

plus get to eat poutine and beaver tail when we go up there..

and you are right about the taxes man its bs

Thats weird. In our relationship its me who is the Canadian, she's the American. heh

*pssst* Its 'Eh!', not 'ay'. :D

Oh and try some dill pickle potato chips, eatmore, coffee crisps and wunderbar chocolate bars. We just finished off the last of our Canadian chocolates... ugh.

[Galadon]

My wife's canadian, from ottawa, and I hear this all the time.. i gues sim almost a canadian citizen just gotta take a test... then i get all those benefits too ay? plus I get to say ay...

plus get to eat poutine and beaver tail when we go up there..

and you are right about the taxes man its bs

More American's believe that Canadian's always say Eh! Then there are Canadian's who say Eh!...It's actually proven in a recent study. I'm not kidding. Somebody actually paid money to study this.

When it comes to taxes I think the ideal government is the one where the people have direct and meaningful input/control in their government if they had a choice in where a large percentage of their taxes went to. So for example if they supported the war when it came to tax season they would check of more of their taxes to go to that. If they wanted better education or health-care they'd devote more of their taxes to that. A percentage of their taxes wouldn't be up to them so that other parts of government can operate at some level even if they aren't popular.

But no government would allow this. But it's is basically the ideal democracy...what better way to tell you government what you want then putting your money where your mouth is.

[Temet nosce]

More American's believe that Canadian's always say Eh! Then there are Canadian's who say Eh!...It's actually proven in a recent study. I'm not kidding. Somebody actually paid money to study this.

It wouldn't surprise me if there were more Americans who believed that then there are Canadians, period. There are more people who live in California alone than in all of Canada (hell, there are more than half as many people in L.A. as in Canada). Honestly, I want to visit you fuckers simply because there's so much damned empty space up there.

[Salardc]

lol ottawa is supposed to be like this metropolitan city with the parliament and such..

lol when I went there for the first time i was shocked to see it looked like downtown san diego... but it was the whole town lol

i love canada though you really can get away from civilization in about 20 mins in any direction ;)

and I love timmy's!!

And smarties!

[Galadon]

lol ottawa is supposed to be like this metropolitan city with the parliament and such..

lol when I went there for the first time i was shocked to see it looked like downtown san diego... but it was the whole town lol

i love canada though you really can get away from civilization in about 20 mins in any direction ;)

and I love timmy's!!

And smarties!

Yes it's the country's capital. Sadly I haven't been there...I've been stuck in this metropolitan hell-hole which is smaller version of New York [Toronto]. Yea the 20 minute drive to get away from the city is pretty fucking awesome.

It couldn't be more true, just northwest of where I live are some of the most beatiful parks and reservation areas. An hour's drive at least and you can get to fresh water lakes with beaches and cottages.

As for Timmys...man I hope they expand more in the US there are some locations in the US mostly in the northern states I think. But they are pretty rare there. I don't even drink coffee that often but when I went to New York this winter break I had Tim Hortons withdrawl or something cuz I was stuck drinking Starbucks shit for two weeks. I was excited as hell when we cross the border and got to a Timmy's...also I'm surprised that for a country that touts free market capitalism that all you guys have is Starbucks for your specialty coffee's and Dunkin Donuts for your regular coffee.

We have Starbucks, Timothy's, Second Cup as our major specialty coffee franchises, and Tim Hortons, Coffee Time, and possibly Dunkin Donuts for the regular stuff.

It wouldn't surprise me if there were more Americans who believed that then there are Canadians, period. There are more people who live in California alone than in all of Canada (hell, there are more than half as many people in L.A. as in Canada). Honestly, I want to visit you fuckers simply because there's so much damned empty space up there.

Well considering how cold it can get in some parts of Canada you wouldn't be so surprised about our population levels. Even in terms of just geology in Ontario the south part of it is a climate much like Northern US...possibly a bit colder. But the lands is fertile and easy to build cities and towns on. When you go just a bit further the land turn's into what's called the Canadian Shield...it's hard granite rock for most of the north of the province which makes it hard and expensive to build roads on as well as towns, the land is thin so nothing substantial can be grown on it. It's all tough bedrock...and of course it's cold as fuck.

In fact if you go on google maps and just pan up from Toronto and watch the roads you'll know where the rocky areas start because the roads become less dense, more squigly and less gridlike.

With Quebec you have the same thing...with the praries no but it's hard to grow a lot in the north parts...and the south is mainly used to grow grain or raise cattle...for America. Then you go west and you get British Columbia which is basically mostly like Colorado...cuz it's the friggin rockies. And the main city there Vancouver is basically our version of Seattle...rainy as fuck...lots of asians...lots of drugs. And most of the arable land in BC is used for growing weed to sell to the US. :P just kidding...sorta.. like 30% or more of America's weed supply is BC Bud. And our cops do next to nothing about it until your DEA puts pressure on our government.

Anywhere north of the praries...is uninhabitable by most people who aren't natives that are adapted over millenia to live there.

When you really think about it the amount of land where people would want to live on and work in in Canada is about the size of California...if not a bit larger.

[biggunsar]

Federal Withholding
$352.81
Social Security
$107.31
Medicare
$25.10
California
$110.04
CA SDI
$19.04



This is going to kill me...

WTF am I getting for all this in taxes, now i know why my dad goes crazy come tax time... this is b.s.

/ventingoff

IF you dont' mind me asking. How much do you make a month. If your not comfy saying in the forums, pm me. I will pm you, how much i make.

PS. here in cayman, i dont' pay a cent in tax. But I have always wondered what the taxes were like in the US.
Being Canadian I thought for years, about moving to the US. Most people when they meet me, think i am American for some reason. Maybe because i don't say eh and aboot.

[biggunsar]

Federal Withholding
$352.81
Social Security
$107.31
Medicare
$25.10
California
$110.04
CA SDI
$19.04



This is going to kill me...

WTF am I getting for all this in taxes, now i know why my dad goes crazy come tax time... this is b.s.

/ventingoff


Okay, i see where you say you make 97k a year. PS. your paying only 32k in taxes a year.

in canada, you would be paying 48% of that 97k. So in canada you would be paying about 47K

Don't bitch. Your making 15k more than you would In canada. So everyone in canada, eat shit. canada is a shit hole. They take anyone that makes more money than a garbage man, and HALVES thier wage. Then tells you it's for free healthcare. Which I will add, sucks. Sucks really bad. ya, if i sprain a toe, i dont mind waiting 3 weeks to see a specialist. When i have heart problems. I don't want to wait 3 weeks or LONGER to see a specialist. You can really see that in windsor. When every week someone is being shipped to the US for routine surgery, because it takes too damn long in canada.

I turned down a Canadian tape backup job, because even when they offered me 75k. I was like fuck, i will only take home about 38k of that.
bullshit.

I will stay on this nice little island where i CLEAR 4600 CI a month (and CI dollars is worth 20% more than the US dollar).So in actuallity I am making 5,635 US dollars, or 6,932 Canadian dollars, and no taxes. 8)
not bad for not finishing university LOL. Now lets add my fund administrator GF's wage. And we are making out like bandits here.

Oh did i forget to mention we only pay 90 dollars a month for FREE healthcare. oh ya.... Becuase the government here, mandates ALL employers must pay 80% of your healthcare. By law. 8)=)
The 90 dollars pays the other 20% a month.

so canada....eat shit, die. Then die again.
dude....take ya down to cayman city, where the grass is green and the bikini girls are pretty 8)

[Galadon]

Okay, i see where you say you make 97k a year. PS. your paying only 32k in taxes a year.

in canada, you would be paying 48% of that 97k. So in canada you would be paying about 47K

Don't bitch. Your making 15k more than you would In canada. So everyone in canada, eat shit. canada is a shit hole. They take anyone that makes more money than a garbage man, and HALVES thier wage. Then tells you it's for free healthcare. Which I will add, sucks. Sucks really bad. ya, if i sprain a toe, i dont mind waiting 3 weeks to see a specialist. When i have heart problems. I don't want to wait 3 weeks or LONGER to see a specialist. You can really see that in windsor. When every week someone is being shipped to the US for routine surgery, because it takes too damn long in canada.

I turned down a Canadian tape backup job, because even when they offered me 75k. I was like fuck, i will only take home about 38k of that.
bullshit.

I will stay on this nice little island where i CLEAR 4600 a month (and CI dollars is worth 20% more than the US dollar).So in actuallity I am making 5500 US dollars, and no taxes. 8)
not bad for not finishing university LOL.

My family has had health problems ranging from small to really big [like heart operation] and we've never had to wait that long. Maybe it just depends on how much your family doctor did or didn't give a shit about you. We have a great family doctor and he gets us access to specialists really quickly. The only thing that's long is emergency room waiting times...but at least not as long as in the US...where people have died waiting woot!

[Badem]

haha that sucks man

I take home 1700 gross and 1250 Net

after all my bills and livign expenses are paid I have like 600 per month to live on, easy street, no wenches and binge drinking on Anti Freeze help me :)

[Orbi]

In my region, you earn like 300 euro per month and after paying taxes and living, you are left with around 100 euro on month. And we have even more expensive gas than you. :)

[jonyak]

Wait a minute.

you make 4400$ a month after taxes and you are bitching?

[Ziegler]

Hey Fucker....you're racist and unpatriotic for not wanting to give your wages to Mao ZeBama.
The proletariat thanks you, mister bourgeoisie.

Let that be a lesson to you, this is what happens when you are successful. You are the problem with society, contributing and making your own way, and wanting to be independant. Ya filthy bastard. :bang:

[Adraedan]

It's funny how for being such a capitalist country with probably the worst health care of all developed countries amongst other things...you pay as much taxes as we do in Canada. Doesn't that just suck...you pay the same but you get little to nothing in return. At least when I bitch about my taxes I remember that I'm living in a safe, peaceful country, that the government is subsidizing my college education which is as high quality as any other developed country...and that I'll have some of the best medical care in the world if anything happens to me.

Sry that I'm bragging...but American's should think about this next time they cry out "Socialism! Communism!" when someone mentions universal health care to them.

The same? This guy is paying WAY more taxes than I do. And I make under 30k a year, so I get all my taxes back at the end of the year.

[jonyak]

lol ottawa is supposed to be like this metropolitan city with the parliament and such..

lol when I went there for the first time i was shocked to see it looked like downtown san diego... but it was the whole town lol

i love canada though you really can get away from civilization in about 20 mins in any direction ;)

and I love timmy's!!

And smarties!

I live in ottawa.

it is a shithole. the worst city I have ever been in, full of assholes and idiots.

and crack heads.

[dinkfall]

That info would be more relevant if we could compare it to how much you make. If You make $10,000 a week that's not much; if it's $2,000 that's a lot.

How likely do you think it is that someone here makes 10k a week?

[holychicken]

why even bother working...wtf
Then stop. Go on welfare and see how much money you have to spend and how fun your life is.

[Malikye]

In Sweden we pay 5,6 dollars / gallon of petrol (converted currency ofc).
Or 11,44 SEK / Litre.
How much do you pay?

[swiftbuster]

Federal Withholding
$352.81
Social Security
$107.31
Medicare
$25.10
California
$110.04
CA SDI
$19.04



This is going to kill me...

WTF am I getting for all this in taxes, now i know why my dad goes crazy come tax time... this is b.s.

/ventingoff

How much do you actually have left?

[biggunsar]

How likely do you think it is that someone here makes 10k a week?

my gf and I make about 3,164 CAN a week, or 2,572 US.
Tax free. So if you were to say we lived in Canada, we would actually be making 4714 a week before taxes. In the US it would be 3549 a week before taxes.

Not bad.

But one individual that makes 10k a week. WOW.... if that was clear. You might as well double it, to find out how much he really makes.
Which would be 960,000 dollars a year income to make that much clear a week.allowing him to take home 480 thousand dollars a year.

[biggunsar]

How much do you actually have left?

he's left with 60 some K

[swiftbuster]

he's left with 60 some K

Lol wow so 5 grand a month on avg is bad?!?!?!

When did this happen?

[nhpr]

Lol wow so 5 grand a month on avg is bad?!?!?!

When did this happen?

When Helicopter Ben decided to see how much money he could will into existence before he got thrown out on his ass onto the street.

[Slade Trillgon]

Federal Withholding
$352.81
Social Security
$107.31
Medicare
$25.10
California
$110.04
CA SDI
$19.04



This is going to kill me...

WTF am I getting for all this in taxes, now i know why my dad goes crazy come tax time... this is b.s.

/ventingoff

Dude if you are making enough to have that much money taken out of your check weekly then I do not see what you are crying about :eek:


Slade

[Marelt]

Dude if you are making enough to have that much money taken out of your check weekly then I do not see what you are crying about :eek:


Slade

What you think your the new skree?

[WhiteF1ame]

Okay, i see where you say you make 97k a year. PS. your paying only 32k in taxes a year.

in canada, you would be paying 48% of that 97k. So in canada you would be paying about 47K

Don't bitch. Your making 15k more than you would In canada. So everyone in canada, eat shit. canada is a shit hole. They take anyone that makes more money than a garbage man, and HALVES thier wage. Then tells you it's for free healthcare. Which I will add, sucks. Sucks really bad. ya, if i sprain a toe, i dont mind waiting 3 weeks to see a specialist. When i have heart problems. I don't want to wait 3 weeks or LONGER to see a specialist. You can really see that in windsor. When every week someone is being shipped to the US for routine surgery, because it takes too damn long in canada.

I turned down a Canadian tape backup job, because even when they offered me 75k. I was like fuck, i will only take home about 38k of that.
bullshit.

I will stay on this nice little island where i CLEAR 4600 CI a month (and CI dollars is worth 20% more than the US dollar).So in actuallity I am making 5,635 US dollars, or 6,932 Canadian dollars, and no taxes. 8)
not bad for not finishing university LOL. Now lets add my fund administrator GF's wage. And we are making out like bandits here.

Oh did i forget to mention we only pay 90 dollars a month for FREE healthcare. oh ya.... Becuase the government here, mandates ALL employers must pay 80% of your healthcare. By law. 8)=)
The 90 dollars pays the other 20% a month.

so canada....eat shit, die. Then die again.
dude....take ya down to cayman city, where the grass is green and the bikini girls are pretty 8)

Don't forget the $12-$15 for a pack of cigarretes in Canada.

[Jezrith]

Federal Withholding
$352.81
Social Security
$107.31
Medicare
$25.10
California
$110.04
CA SDI
$19.04


I feel your pain sir.... thought at least in Texas they don't have an income tax! ;)

[swiftbuster]

Don't forget the $12-$15 for a pack of cigarretes in Canada.

Wow,i would instantly quit smoking.

[Adraedan]

Don't forget the $12-$15 for a pack of cigarretes in Canada.

It's only about 10 bucks, and only idiots don't buy from the natives. Bootleg smokes are mucho cheap.

[Jezrith]

In my region, you earn like 300 euro per month and after paying taxes and living, you are left with around 100 euro on month. And we have even more expensive gas than you. :)

200 Euro a month for all your living expenses? Damn! That must be a real shit hole...

[Viluin]

That info would be more relevant if we could compare it to how much you make. If You make $10,000 a week that's not much; if it's $2,000 that's a lot.

If he makes $2000 a week he should be shot for thinking this will kill him.

[Jezrith]

If he makes $2000 a week he should be shot for thinking this will kill him.

Its funny how people always says things like this when it's someone else money...

[jonyak]

Its funny how people always says things like this when it's someone else money...

Its funny how people that make the most money are always complaining about it.

[Jezrith]

Its funny how people that make the most money are always complaining about it.

Considering the people who get fucked the most generally complain the loudest it's really not that funny at all.

[Viluin]

Its funny how people always says things like this when it's someone else money...

You think I don't pay taxes? :lmao:

[Jamboreen]

Ireland

You can earn up to 21,000 Euros/year at 21% tax, everything after is taxed at 45%.
Alcohol Tax = 150% E.G. a Untaxed Pint of beer costs 2.40 Taxed it costs 6 Euro.
Cigarettes, Untaxed = 2 euro, Taxed 8.50 Euro.
Food/essentials tax = 14.5%
Petrol = 1.20 Euros/litre 72 cent of that is tax.
Edit: oh yeah VAT? 21%

And thats just the shit i buy regularly. We also hae an extra 1% levy tax due to recession, and more taxes are being brought in based on Carbon emissions. Road tax also! :(

Try complain now.

[Pumpkin]

Considering the people who get fucked the most generally complain the loudest it's really not that funny at all.

Living of 4000$ a month.
Living of welfare.

In the grand scheme of fuckage - I wonder who gets fucked the most in this scenario.

[jonyak]

Considering the people who get fucked the most generally complain the loudest it's really not that funny at all.

Sure it is.

One kid has 3 smarties and I take 1.

the other kid has 5 smarties and I take 2.

kid #2 still has more smarties than kid 1 and kid 2 is the one complaining.

funny. thats all.

[Jezrith]

You think I don't pay taxes? :lmao:

I don't think you are any were near $30K+ US/year mark...

[Jezrith]

Sure it is.

One kid has 3 smarties and I take 1.

the other kid has 5 smarties and I take 2.

kid #2 still has more smarties than kid 1 and kid 2 is the one complaining.

funny. thats all.

Except for the fact that this has no application to reality at all, so meh, not really. Kid 2 got fucked out of the deal harder than kid 1, it doesn't matter who ended up with more smarties.

[Elemancer]

Living of 4000$ a month.
Living of welfare.

In the grand scheme of fuckage - I wonder who gets fucked the most in this scenario.

If it's disability you're on...hate to say it, but you got owned. Otherwise, get a job you hippy!

[Jezrith]

Living of 4000$ a month.
Living of welfare.

In the grand scheme of fuckage - I wonder who gets fucked the most in this scenario.

The guy paying for the welfare obviously. Not only does he have to take on the burden of his own problems but he gets saddled with the problems of other people he has zero responsibility towards.

[Slade Trillgon]

Its funny how people always says things like this when it's someone else money...

It sucks that taxes do not go where they should and that things could be spent more efficiently so as to cost each tax payer less money, but his weekly taxes are almost as much as my bi-weekly income. So yes I laugh at his cries. I laugh at people that are so intertwined with their luxuries that they cry when they need to cut back.

Yes, how the taxes are being used sucks, but who will pay for infrastructure, education, civil service, and the war machine if their are no taxes.

Slade

[Silverhandorder]

Its funny how people always says things like this when it's someone else money...

You don't understand they are entitled to it. It is no longer hate the top 1% it is hate everyone that makes more money then you.

[jonyak]

It sucks that taxes do not go where they should and that things could be spent more efficiently so as to cost each tax payer less money, but his weekly taxes are almost as much as my bi-weekly income. So yes I laugh at his cries. I laugh at people that are so intertwined with their luxuries that they cry when they need to cut back.

Yes, how the taxes are being used sucks, but who will pay for infrastructure, education, civil service, and the war machine if their are no taxes.

Slade

The infastructure that allowed or at least helped these people to make all that money.

[Pumpkin]

The guy paying for the welfare obviously. Not only does he have to take on the burden of his own problems but he gets saddled with the problems of other people he has zero responsibility towards.

You are yet again saying you prefer to be poor.

[Silverhandorder]

The infastructure that allowed or at least helped these people to make all that money.

Ah yes the infrastructure spent days and nights studying... Maybe it is the other way around? The guys like OP give any worth to this infrastructure. The poor sure as hell are not using it to the right way.

[jonyak]

Ah yes the infrastructure spent days and nights studying... Maybe it is the other way around? The guys like OP give any worth to this infrastructure. The poor sure as hell are not using it to the right way.

you're, right.

its all the poors fault.

[Silverhandorder]

you're, right.

its all the poors fault.

Ofcourse.

[jonyak]

Ofcourse.

whats funny, is that if you didn;t have the support system of your parents, you would be one too.

[Slade Trillgon]

Ah yes the infrastructure spent days and nights studying... Maybe it is the other way around? The guys like OP give any worth to this infrastructure. The poor sure as hell are not using it to the right way.

What do you consider poor and rich :confused:

Like I said earlier the OP's weekly taxes are almost as much as I take home, after taxes, for two weeks of work. That means I make @ $32,000 a year. I am no where near rich and much closer to the poor bracket, but you do not hear me crying about having to pay taxes. Currently I stopped drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes since it was no longer economically feasible for me to continue. So I ask what have the rich had to give up due to this horendous tax that they have to pay? That extra bottle of Dom on Friday night at the club, a car, a vaction house :lmao:


Slade

[StainlessSteelRat]

Living of 4000$ a month.
Living of welfare.

In the grand scheme of fuckage - I wonder who gets fucked the most in this scenario.

You ever play the game 'Life'? You know the first decision you make about starting a career or going to school? What happens when you go to school? Exactly, you start the game 100k in debt.

He's not living off 4k/month. Even when his loans are paid off, he invested time and money and deserves to take home 4k/month or even more. He worked for it. What do you think the cost of living is where he is at? What's the mortgage on a nice house?

Assholes getting welfare checks for sitting on their ass are not working for anything. Illegals using up state resources and not contributing did not earn them.

[StainlessSteelRat]

What do you consider poor and rich :confused:

Like I said earlier the OP's weekly taxes are almost as much as I take home, after taxes, for two weeks of work. That means I make @ $32,000 a year. I am no where near rich and much closer to the poor bracket, but you do not hear me crying about having to pay taxes. Currently I stopped drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes since it was no longer economically feasible for me to continue. So I ask what have the rich had to give up due to this horendous tax that they have to pay? That extra bottle of Dom on Friday night at the club, a car, a vaction house :lmao:


Slade

OP is not rich. OP is middle class. Inflation is a bitch.

[Salardc]

Honestly im not bitching, i am greatful that I can provide a lifestyle and I dont mind paying the taxes, but where I am from (san diego, california) I never really see where my tax dollars go, and to boot, what I take home does not really buy a decent lifestyle. I am left with about 2500.00 a month after my student loans - and this is to pay bills like gas (taxed), food (taxed), utilities (taxed) and rent. They government take 2400.00+ from me and then raises sales tax 1% then wants to tax me some more on everything else, so really the guy above who said he has 600.00 to take home and spend has it better off than me :/

[Salardc]

You ever play the game 'Life'? You know the first decision you make about starting a career or going to school? What happens when you go to school? Exactly, you start the game 100k in debt.

He's not living off 4k/month. Even when his loans are paid off, he invested time and money and deserves to take home 4k/month or even more. He worked for it. What do you think the cost of living is where he is at? What's the mortgage on a nice house?

Assholes getting welfare checks for sitting on their ass are not working for anything. Illegals using up state resources and not contributing did not earn them.

this, totally this. I really dont even spend 100.00 a week on myself, i just think this taxation is getting ridiculous... like really ridiculus, wish I could move...

[StainlessSteelRat]

It sucks that taxes do not go where they should and that things could be spent more efficiently so as to cost each tax payer less money, but his weekly taxes are almost as much as my bi-weekly income. So yes I laugh at his cries. I laugh at people that are so intertwined with their luxuries that they cry when they need to cut back.

Yes, how the taxes are being used sucks, but who will pay for infrastructure, education, civil service, and the war machine if their are no taxes.

Slade

Taxes can be cut and we can still afford to pay for appropriate gov't expenses.

How much do you think is spent on infrastructure? (as a percent)
Education doesn't need more money, education needs to lose the free money and receive competition.
War machine needs to run out of gas.

The more money we print, the more inflation, the more things cost, the more gov't spends, the more we tax but we can't tax enough just yet, so we print more money, make more inflation, spend more money, increase taxes........................

[Pumpkin]

You ever play the game 'Life'? You know the first decision you make about starting a career or going to school? What happens when you go to school? Exactly, you start the game 100k in debt.

He's not living off 4k/month. Even when his loans are paid off, he invested time and money and deserves to take home 4k/month or even more. He worked for it. What do you think the cost of living is where he is at? What's the mortgage on a nice house?

Assholes getting welfare checks for sitting on their ass are not working for anything. Illegals using up state resources and not contributing did not earn them.

Well sorry to disappoint you but in my socialist wonderland I didn't end up with any debt after finishing university.

The question still stands, would you rather have something than nothing?

And are you that much of a pathetic loser that you base your own value on how many people have less than you?

[Ziegler]

The question still stands, would you rather have something, only half of something or nothing?

Fix't that for ya.

[StainlessSteelRat]

Well sorry to disappoint you but in my socialist wonderland I didn't end up with any debt after finishing university.

Good for you. Why don't you push for socialised secondary education in the US? Maybe that's where we should start.

The question still stands, would you rather have something than nothing?

Sorry, but that's not the question. The question is: would you like to keep what you earn or give it away? The problem is the worker doesn't get to choose.

And are you that much of a pathetic loser that you base your own value on how many people have less than you?

Hrm, seems like you base your value (or lack thereof) on how much more others make than you. None of my posts contained any indication or implied any thinking of the kind. Don't project your own insecurities on me.

[Salardc]

Taxes can be cut and we can still afford to pay for appropriate gov't expenses.
How much do you think is spent on infrastructure? (as a percent)
Education doesn't need more money, education needs to lose the free money and receive competition.
War machine needs to run out of gas.

The more money we print, the more inflation, the more things cost, the more gov't spends, the more we tax but we can't tax enough just yet, so we print more money, make more inflation, spend more money, increase taxes........................

Agreed! Appropriate is the key here...

not like paying millions to help illegals get free condoms.. pfft...

[swiftbuster]

Well sorry to disappoint you but in my socialist wonderland I didn't end up with any debt after finishing university.

The question still stands, would you rather have something than nothing?

And are you that much of a pathetic loser that you base your own value on how many people have less than you?

Lol i think he might base his value on how many people have more than him.

[biggunsar]

well since we are all saying sorry, and seem to be sorry about alot.

Here is a very good question.

Why the fuck do you pay taxes at all???? Besides goods and services tax. (ie, tax on only the things you buy).

This island, although small. runs an entire government AND island, off only 20% sales tax. That's it, that's all. The more people we have, the more people buy, the more money this government makes.

And since i work for the government. I know how efficent it is. It has to be. becuase it can't tax the people. The government passed smart laws here. Any company that hires anyone must pay that persons healthcare of 80%. The person is responsible for the other 20%.


We have clean water, nice roads. Everything america has. Yet....I PAY NOT ONE STINKING SINGLE CENT FROM MY PAYCHECK.
In the private sector, you guys all work for the government. you do. Your a slave to your government. You ain't FREE.

Where as here, everyone works for THEMSELVES.

This island's poeple are more free that the US people....imagine that.

What your american forefathers invisioned. Sits right here in cayman. If i buy a peice of land, i am taxed ONCE on it. And never again.
I buy a house i am taxed ONCE on it, and never again.

the way it should be.

[jonyak]

well since we are all saying sorry, and seem to be sorry about alot.

Here is a very good question.

Why the fuck do you pay taxes at all???? Besides goods and services tax. (ie, tax on only the things you buy).

This island, although small. runs an entire government AND island, off only 20% sales tax. That's it, that's all. The more people we have, the more people buy, the more money this government makes.

And since i work for the government. I know how efficent it is. It has to be. becuase it can't tax the people. The government passed smart laws here. Any company that hires anyone must pay that persons healthcare of 80%. The person is responsible for the other 20%.


We have clean water, nice roads. Everything america has. Yet....I PAY NOT ONE STINKING SINGLE CENT FROM MY PAYCHECK.
In the private sector, you guys all work for the government. you do. Your a slave to your government. You ain't FREE.

Where as here, everyone works for THEMSELVES.

This island's poeple are more free that the US people....imagine that.

I see your point.

but there is a massive difference between running a small island, and a huge landmass with over 300 million people.

PS: I want to move to the turks and cacaos islands.

[Slade Trillgon]

Taxes can be cut and we can still afford to pay for appropriate gov't expenses.

How much do you think is spent on infrastructure? (as a percent)
Education doesn't need more money, education needs to lose the free money and receive competition.
War machine needs to run out of gas.

The more money we print, the more inflation, the more things cost, the more gov't spends, the more we tax but we can't tax enough just yet, so we print more money, make more inflation, spend more money, increase taxes........................


If you notice in my post that I said if the tax money was spent efficiently we could easily cut the taxes, but that is not the case. There is no point crying. I live on the east coast in one of the fastes growing regions of said coast, I have graduate school loans to pay back, pay rent, bills, and make significantly less. I pay the taxes while at the same time I speak with others in the community and work on grass roots changes. That is about all anyone of us can do at this time. No need to come to a forum and cry that $600 dollars a week is too much for you to pay, like no one else reading the forum has to pay the same taxes, when probably most of us make less, while living in fairly comprable living conditinons.


Slade

[biggunsar]

I see your point.

but there is a massive difference between running a small island, and a huge landmass with over 300 million people.

PS: I want to move to the turks and cacaos islands.

No there isn't. The only difference is. The canadian government and US government are WAYYYY over staffed, and underworked. I actually bust my ass here. Every day.

US and Canada, waste BILLIONS in government waste. You won't find us paying 36k for a hammer (yet the US defense budget, you will see aquisitions like that all the time) *and yes, this is for a regular old 5 dollar hammer. If the consultant bills it, you waste so much money, you just pay it.

We can't do that here.

You sure as fuck could run an entire country the way cayman does it. But that would mean smart and responsible government.

[jonyak]

No there isn't. The only difference is. The canadian government and US government are WAYYYY over staffed, and underworked. I actually bust my ass here. Every day.

US and Canada, waste BILLIONS in government waste. You won't find us paying 36k for a hammer (yet the US defense budget, you will see aquisitions like that all the time) *and yes, this is for a regular old 5 dollar hammer. If the consultant bills it, you waste so much money, you just pay it.

We can't do that here.

You sure as fuck could run an entire country the way cayman does it. But that would mean smart and responsible government.

well the hammer thing I will agree.. I have seen it.

PS: what exactly do you need to do to start working in the cayman? what is employment like there? especially for someone in technology.

[Jezrith]

You are yet again saying you prefer to be poor.

Actually, what I am saying is I prefer not to get fucked out of my money.

[Elemancer]

Well sorry to disappoint you but in my socialist wonderland I didn't end up with any debt after finishing university.

The question still stands, would you rather have something than nothing?

And are you that much of a pathetic loser that you base your own value on how many people have less than you?

Something for nothing, unless it's always the best of something, will always leave more to be desired...

In fact, people tend to resent the fact that they 'only' get 4k per month because it's not enough to live the lifestyle they want.

[Salardc]

If you notice in my post that I said if the tax money was spent efficiently we could easily cut the taxes, but that is not the case. There is no point crying. I live on the east coast in one of the fastes growing regions of said coast, I have graduate school loans to pay back, pay rent, bills, and make significantly less. I pay the taxes while at the same time I speak with others in the community and work on grass roots changes. That is about all anyone of us can do at this time. No need to come to a forum and cry that $600 dollars a week is too much for you to pay, like no one else reading the forum has to pay the same taxes, when probably most of us make less, while living in fairly comprable living conditinons.


Slade

I know we all pay the same taxes and you are right coming onto a video games OT forum is probably not the best venue, but it really pisses me off. Also depending on where you live, you may need to make significantly less to live, where I am right now, its sooooo expensive to live it ridiculous, on top of it everything is taxed to hell, but I see your point slade.

And the caymans sound like paradise!

[Jezrith]

It sucks that taxes do not go where they should and that things could be spent more efficiently so as to cost each tax payer less money, but his weekly taxes are almost as much as my bi-weekly income. So yes I laugh at his cries.


You laugh at him because its not money coming out your pocket. If it was, I guarantee you would have a different outlook on the situation.


I laugh at people that are so intertwined with their luxuries that they cry when they need to cut back.


It's sad that you think this is about luxuries. In truth, it's about what resources you have available to realize self-actualization.


Yes, how the taxes are being used sucks, but who will pay for infrastructure, education, civil service, and the war machine if their are no taxes.


We are talking about income taxes specifically, not taxes in general. For most of US history income taxes did not exist.

[Salardc]

well if the money was spent on things I use I have no problem, so if i could vote on where my goes or be directly taxed on services I use that would be great, I dont wanna pay taxes for other people's sperm as my uncle would say lol

[StainlessSteelRat]

If you notice in my post that I said if the tax money was spent efficiently we could easily cut the taxes, but that is not the case. There is no point crying. I live on the east coast in one of the fastes growing regions of said coast, I have graduate school loans to pay back, pay rent, bills, and make significantly less. I pay the taxes while at the same time I speak with others in the community and work on grass roots changes. That is about all anyone of us can do at this time. No need to come to a forum and cry that $600 dollars a week is too much for you to pay, like no one else reading the forum has to pay the same taxes, when probably most of us make less, while living in fairly comprable living conditinons.


Slade

He's venting. /shrug

I don't see why you would laugh at anyone for venting against a system that you yourself dislike. What difference does it make that he makes good money or not? Anyone paying into a wasteful system should and can vent. Shit, I know two people that worked w/ me that quit b/c they could collect as much/more for doing nothing. Yes, that's anecdotal and a small sampling, but it still means all of us paying in are supporting at least two more slackers than a few weeks ago.

[jonyak]

after researching the caymans... it actualy looks like its very expensive to live there. also that getting employment as an expat is very difficult, and hard to keep.

[Salardc]

you can always become a scuba instructor lol, they can always use those :)

[FastEddy]

You know what is hilariousssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Cali has something like 50 billion in natrual resources they refuse to tap into (oil and natural gas).

You silly treehuggers cant have socialism and environmentalism!

[Salardc]

yah california by itself could be the 7th richest nation. We have everything here. would be funny if cali cessedes from the union :)

[PirateGlen]

You know what is hilariousssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Cali has something like 50 billion in natrual resources they refuse to tap into (oil and natural gas).

You silly treehuggers cant have socialism and environmentalism!

No one would want to live in California if the environment was ruined.

[nathanpinard]

Come up and live in good ole' Oregon. theres no sales tax (just a slightly increased income tax) and in portland we have really good public transportation system so you wont need a car much.

but if you aren't used to rain dont come. I am pretty fucking serious here.

Eh...we haven't got a lot of rain. Personally I like the rain.

That snow is what fucked us over.

[FastEddy]

No one would want to live in California if the environment was ruined.

Yes clearly drilling for oil and natural gas would turn California into a barren wasteland.

[Slade Trillgon]

You laugh at him because its not money coming out your pocket. If it was, I guarantee you would have a different outlook on the situation.

I pay taxes and have paid them for 17 years.



It's sad that you think this is about luxuries. In truth, it's about what resources you have available to realize self-actualization.

Well I guess my self-actualization cost less.



We are talking about income taxes specifically, not taxes in general. For most of US history income taxes did not exist.


Lets say that the OP’s $600 in taxes is 40% of his income. That equals $1500a week and $6000/ month. Definitely not rich, but definitely not even close to hurting, no matter where you live in the States. Current solution, minimize ones expenses, work for change, and do not come to a message bored and vent about something we are all feeling; especially when you have a paycheck still coming in.


Slade

[FastEddy]

Lets say that the OP’s $600 in taxes is 40% of his income. That equals $1500a week and $6000/ month. Definitely not rich, but definitely not even close to hurting, no matter where you live in the States. Current solution, minimize ones expenses, work for change, and do not come to a message bored and vent about something we are all feeling; especially when you have a paycheck still coming in.


Slade

unless you want you got a couple of kids that want to go to college

[jonyak]

unless you want you got a couple of kids that want to go to college

make them pay themselves, that way they understand what money is and how much things cost. otherwise they willl just grow up to complain about people takining there money to pay for things everyone needs and going on about how much there "self actulisation" costs.

[Jezrith]

I pay taxes and have paid them for 17 years.


Good for you. Doesn't really have in any relevance, but thanks for sharing. Just because you pay taxes it doesn't auto-magically make the money he pays in taxes your money.


Well I guess my self-actualization cost less.


That's fine as long as you don't believe that you set the standard on what it should cost.



Lets say that the OP’s $600 in taxes is 40% of his income. That equals $1500a week and $6000/ month. Definitely not rich, but definitely not even close to hurting, no matter where you live in the States.


And you became the authority on how people should live when exactly?


Current solution, minimize ones expenses, work for change, and do not come to a message bored and vent about something we are all feeling; especially when you have a paycheck still coming in.


Not really a solution at all.

[Adraedan]

unless you want you got a couple of kids that want to go to college

A kid can pay their own way through school. I made it some of the way before I decided that institutionalized education is a load of bullshit. My sister just finished law school and she only had the smallest amount of assistance from our parents.

[Jezrith]

make them pay themselves, that way they understand what money is and how much things cost.


You got it all fucked up. These people are the ones who turn into:


otherwise they willl just grow up to complain about people takining there money to pay for things everyone needs and going on about how much there "self actulisation" costs.

These people. They actually understand what it takes to make the money they do and understandably get more pissed off when Robin(thug)Hood wannabes decide they can take it from them.

By the way great parenting you are doing for your kids there. I bet they sure are glad you are working hard to ensure they have the very best future you could possibly provide them with.

[PirateGlen]

Yes clearly drilling for oil and natural gas would turn California into a barren wasteland.

It doesn't have to be a wasteland for people not want to live an areas with drilling.

[StainlessSteelRat]

What is wrong w/ you people?

How can any of you possibly suggest that the solution to the issue of not being able to live the lifestyle you desire and worked for is to lower your standards?

It's fucking retarded. You don't lower your standards; you raise them w/ regards to gov't and what they are doing w/ your money. Some seriously ass backwards logic being tossed around in this thread.

[Gloomrender]

Federal Withholding
$352.81
Social Security
$107.31
Medicare
$25.10
California
$110.04
CA SDI
$19.04



This is going to kill me...

WTF am I getting for all this in taxes, now i know why my dad goes crazy come tax time... this is b.s.

/ventingoff

How much do you make a week?

[jonyak]

You got it all fucked up. These people are the ones who turn into:



These people. They actually understand what it takes to make the money they do and understandably get more pissed off when Robin(thug)Hood wannabes decide they can take it from them.

By the way great parenting you are doing for your kids there. I bet they sure are glad you are working hard to ensure they have the very best future you could possibly provide them with.

Hey thats how my parents raised me and beleive I am better for it.

[biggunsar]

well the hammer thing I will agree.. I have seen it.

PS: what exactly do you need to do to start working in the cayman? what is employment like there? especially for someone in technology.

Contact a caribbean head hunter. They tracked me down that way.

Im telling you. Once you live here, for even one year. You won't go back to the old way. It sucks.

And after reading this poor guys issue. I seriously will never ever go back to canada, unless i absolutely have to.

Canada sucks. Plain and simple.

[jonyak]

What is wrong w/ you people?

How can any of you possibly suggest that the solution to the issue of not being able to live the lifestyle you desire and worked for is to lower your standards?

It's fucking retarded. You don't lower your standards; you raise them w/ regards to gov't and what they are doing w/ your money. Some seriously ass backwards logic being tossed around in this thread.

thats what got everyone in this financial predicament. everyone had this standard of living that was unrealistic.

[jonyak]

Contact a caribbean head hunter. They tracked me down that way.

Im telling you. Once you live here, for even one year. You won't go back to the old way. It sucks.

And after reading this poor guys issue. I seriously will never ever go back to canada, unless i absolutely have to.

Canada sucks. Plain and simple.

Hmm I will look into it alot more.

me and the wife are seriously looking into something liek this. we are living in ottawa and I fucking hate it.

I don't even care about the tax thing, although thats nice, but I really just want to be somewhere where the life is slower and warmer.

[biggunsar]

after researching the caymans... it actualy looks like its very expensive to live there. also that getting employment as an expat is very difficult, and hard to keep.

I bought my house. But before that. I was paying 1600 for a 2 bed 2 bath.

Food and stuff came to another 800. But then again, i gained 50 pounds in 3 years. So maybe i over indulged in restaurant eating 8)

SO i was still clearing 8400-2400
I am left with about, 6000k CI, which is about 7 to 8K Canadian.and no tax. I bought my house in 3 years. 8) Try that in canada. And I mean BOUGHT, like as in outright. I owe nothing on it.

(well me and my GF that is, combined income)

[biggunsar]

Hmm I will look into it alot more.

me and the wife are seriously looking into something liek this. we are living in ottawa and I fucking hate it.

I don't even care about the tax thing, although thats nice, but I really just want to be somewhere where the life is slower and warmer.

The life won't be slower. You will be expected to know your shit. But i have also met some so so IT guys on this island. so if they can make it here. Pretty much anyone with drive can.

the kicker is this. In canada. They would take those taxes off my check. Then whatever i was left with, is what I had to live on.

Here, those taxes aren't removed from my paycheck and that's what i live off of. Where as you, have to give that money way for....NOTHING. The government gives you nothing for it.
SO everything you clear, after taxes. I get to bank, ever last dime. I never ever touch that money.

I will be retired a millionaire in 10 years. Done, keep my money in this tax free haven. I own my own house. I can survive off of 45K CI a year. Go to canada and that becomes about 60K a year Canadian. No sweat off my balls.
Im not into the canadian way of living.

Work till you die. No thanks.
To me, that's just not living and not what anyone was put on this earth to do.

Fuck corrupt governments.

[Kayos]

I pay more taxes than that. Try moving to Canada and then you can complain.

[Vessol]

I pay more taxes than that. Try moving to Canada and then you can complain.

Or you could drink some bleach.

[Jezrith]

Hey thats how my parents raised me and beleive I am better for it.

I'm in the same boat though I'm doing fine in spite of it, definitely not better of because of it. The kids who had parents affluent enough to send them to school are much more likely to be more successful than there less affluent counter parts, that is just a fact of life. If I were a parent I would want to do better by my children than my parents did by me, in the same why that I would my children to have a better life than I did. But that might just be me...

[SupremeMe]

Boo fuckity hoo, theres 52% taxes here

[StainlessSteelRat]

thats what got everyone in this financial predicament. everyone had this standard of living that was unrealistic.

Just stop posting about econ and finances, please.

[HiroProtagonist]

Federal Withholding
$352.81
Social Security
$107.31
Medicare
$25.10
California
$110.04
CA SDI
$19.04



This is going to kill me...

WTF am I getting for all this in taxes, now i know why my dad goes crazy come tax time... this is b.s.

/ventingoff

Welcome to the real world. If you really want it hard and rough, open up a small business and become successful. That way you get to pay your employees' FICA taxes too.

[Killuminati]

Welcome to the real world. If you really want it hard and rough, open up a small business and become successful. That way you get to pay your employees' FICA taxes too.

That isn't a big deal since the nonmonetary part of their wage will increase, and their monetary wage will decrease. Which will mean you will be paying them the same amount of money even if you didn't pay those taxes.

so quit bitching about shit for no reason.

[jonyak]

I'm in the same boat though I'm doing fine in spite of it, definitely not better of because of it. The kids who had parents affluent enough to send them to school are much more likely to be more successful than there less affluent counter parts, that is just a fact of life. If I were a parent I would want to do better by my children than my parents did by me, in the same why that I would my children to have a better life than I did. But that might just be me...

Oh I am certain I would be much better off if I didn;t have school loans.

I just think I turned out stronger than people who were provided for.

[jonyak]

Just stop posting about econ and finances, please.

you debate that??!!

the whole housing thing. people living beyond there means. Haveing tons of credit taken out that they can't pay for.

[Silverhandorder]

No there isn't. The only difference is. The canadian government and US government are WAYYYY over staffed, and underworked. I actually bust my ass here. Every day.

US and Canada, waste BILLIONS in government waste. You won't find us paying 36k for a hammer (yet the US defense budget, you will see aquisitions like that all the time) *and yes, this is for a regular old 5 dollar hammer. If the consultant bills it, you waste so much money, you just pay it.

We can't do that here.

You sure as fuck could run an entire country the way cayman does it. But that would mean smart and responsible government.

LOL having both parents work for government I can attest to that. My mom works 2 hours out of her 8 hour work day. Skips one day a week as flexible "stay at home work". Gives blood once a month getting to skip an extra day. Gets training 2 times a year taking away entire month (2 weeks each) of work.

My dad sleeps most of the day, in the end of the day makes a round checking equipment and goes home. They have 3 people changing one light bulb.

[Killuminati]

LOL having both parents work for government I can attest to that. My mom works 2 hours out of her 8 hour work day. Skips one day a week as flexible "stay at home work". Gives blood once a month getting to skip an extra day. Gets training 2 times a year taking away entire month (2 weeks each) of work.

My dad sleeps most of the day, in the end of the day makes a round checking equipment and goes home. They have 3 people changing one light bulb.

yah, and they are feeding you. What are you doing?

[jonyak]

yah, and they are feeding you. What are you doing?

living off them... haha the irony kills me.

[Silverhandorder]

yah, and they are feeding you. What are you doing?
I am not complaining... I just get to see first hand how our gubermint sucks balls.

[Killuminati]

living off them... haha the irony kills me.

Exactly, I'm not trying to be a dick. However, how can you talk shit about the hand that feeds you?

[jonyak]

I am not complaining... I just get to see first hand how our gubermint sucks balls.

Hell I work for the canadian gov't, I see how it sucks. luckily I am in a position to change it and I try to.

[Killuminati]

I am not complaining... I just get to see first hand how our gubermint sucks balls.

Yah, well, it's probably a secure job which they won't lose in this horrible economy. Can't fault them for doing what they gotta do to survive.

[Death's Chill]

LOL having both parents work for government I can attest to that. My mom works 2 hours out of her 8 hour work day. Skips one day a week as flexible "stay at home work". Gives blood once a month getting to skip an extra day. Gets training 2 times a year taking away entire month (2 weeks each) of work.

My dad sleeps most of the day, in the end of the day makes a round checking equipment and goes home. They have 3 people changing one light bulb.

Where do I sign up?

:D

Oh, and if any of you have any love for nature and a land of financial freedom, move to Wyoming. Low population, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming#Taxes

Unlike most other states, Wyoming does not levy an individual or corporate income tax. In addition, Wyoming does not assess any tax on retirement income earned and received from another state. Wyoming has a state sales tax of 4%. Counties have the option of collecting an additional 1% tax for general revenue and a 2% tax for specific purposes, if approved by voters. Food for human consumption is not subject to sales tax.[20]

That's how you fucking run a state.

[HiroProtagonist]

That isn't a big deal since the nonmonetary part of their wage will increase, and their monetary wage will decrease. Which will mean you will be paying them the same amount of money even if you didn't pay those taxes.

so quit bitching about shit for no reason.

You know not of what you speak of.

[StainlessSteelRat]

you debate that??!!

the whole housing thing. people living beyond there means. Haveing tons of credit taken out that they can't pay for.

Go back and read what I posted when you brought this up.....

[StainlessSteelRat]

That isn't a big deal since the nonmonetary part of their wage will increase, and their monetary wage will decrease. Which will mean you will be paying them the same amount of money even if you didn't pay those taxes.

so quit bitching about shit for no reason.

FICA is a payroll tax as well as a witholding.

[Killuminati]

You know not of what you speak of.

FICA is a payroll tax as well as a witholding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax

taxes which are paid from the employer's own funds and which are directly related to employing a worker, which may be either fixed charges or proportionally linked to an employee's pay.

It seems you don't...

Under the theory of tax incidence, part of the "employer contribution" is arguably paid for by the employee in the form of lower wages.

[StainlessSteelRat]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax

It seems you don't...

That's 'theory'. Min. wage is fixed, so that theory won't apply at all in those cases. In the case of higher than min. wage, the market will set wage prices.

Regardless, in the case of the OP, the employer is paying the gross pay + payroll taxes. So the cost remitted to the gov't to employ someone covers the amount the OP finds excessive and even more.

In other words, the gov't gets even more than the OP sees and it effectively lowers his take home pay b/c, as you pointed out, payroll taxes do have to be taken into account when an employer determines how much he can afford to pay an employee.

So FICA does increase the cash outlay, whether this is reflected in the employee's gross pay or not, the increase exists.

[HiroProtagonist]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax



It seems you don't...

I am willing to entertain the possibility that you simply misunderstood me, though doubtful. You can cite Wikipedia or any other source you would like to to attempt to refute my assertion, the fact remains before I sold my primary business I owned the company. The company had a bank account that was my property. When I paid my employees, I had to pay FICA taxes on their salary. To whit: I WAS PAYING TAXES ON THEIR INCOME.

I was simply responding to the OP, then to your ignorant comment which was nonsensical in the context of my original post.

[Killuminati]

I am willing to entertain the possibility that you simply misunderstood me, though doubtful. You can cite Wikipedia or any other source you would like to to attempt to refute my assertion, the fact remains before I sold my primary business I owned the company. The company had a bank account that was my property. When I paid my employees, I had to pay FICA taxes on their salary. To whit: I WAS PAYING TAXES ON THEIR INCOME.

I was simply responding to the OP, then to your ignorant comment which was nonsensical in the context of my original post.

yah, and I am a CEO of a major company...

the fact is if you are burdened with having to pay some type of tax or if you are burdened with a certain regulation the monetary part of the wage has to decrease to compensate for the extra costs. So basically the tax doesn't change how much you are paying the worker. His salary will be lowered because of the taxes that are additional costs. His wage after taxes is decreased because of this.

I am willing to entertain the possibility that you are trying to be hardheaded because you need to bitch about everything tax related.

[Adraedan]

I'd be willing to bet that everyone who is bitching about taxes in this thread also bitch about pot holes in the road.

You guys want government, live with the consequences of your choice or pick up a gun and start changing things.

You can't have freedom and government at the same time, they are fundamentally opposed to each other.

I'm going to go back to not giving a shit now and watching the squabbling over shit that just doesn't matter.

[HiroProtagonist]

yah, and I am a CEO of a major company...

the fact is if you are burdened with having to pay some type of tax or if you are burdened with a certain regulation the monetary part of the wage has to decrease to compensate for the extra costs. So basically the tax doesn't change how much you are paying the worker. His salary will be lowered because of the taxes that are additional costs. His wage after taxes is decreased because of this.

I am willing to entertain the possibility that you are trying to be hardheaded because you need to bitch about everything tax related.

Just so I am clear on your position: You are saying the checks that I wrote to deposit said FICA taxes really wasn't my money? I just thought that I was paying the government the employer's portion of FICA taxes. If I hadn't paid them to the government, it is simply a given that I would have paid it to my employees? I had no choice but to spend that money on one of those two things? Is that really your argument? You, I suppose, are a product of the modern public school system.

[Killuminati]

Just so I am clear on your position: You are saying the checks that I wrote to deposit said FICA taxes really wasn't my money? I just thought that I was paying the government the employer's portion of FICA taxes. If I hadn't paid them to the government, it is simply a given that I would have paid it to my employees? I had no choice but to spend that money on one of those two things? Is that really your argument? You, I suppose, are a product of the modern public school system.

Nope, you are putting words in my mouth because your argument is crumbling.

I was explaining basically that as am employer it doesn't matter how you pay your employers. In the end you'll be paying them the market rate for them. If taxes are an additional expense than the wages are adjusted to reflect that.

[HiroProtagonist]

Nope, you are putting words in my mouth because your argument is crumbling.

I was explaining basically that as am employer it doesn't matter how you pay your employers. In the end you'll be paying them the market rate for them. If taxes are an additional expense than the wages are adjusted to reflect that.

So, it would have no effect whatsoever on employment if the employer's share of FICA taxes were 5,000%? Or haven't they covered this subject yet in high school economics?

[Spankytwo]

Besides, depending on how much you make, that even isnt too much. I get taxed, roughly, around 45k a year, which is about 39-40% of my income. Im paying over 1000 dollars a week in taxes, although I guess that is expected living in Canada :\

[biggunsar]

Besides, depending on how much you make, that even isnt too much. I get taxed, roughly, around 45k a year, which is about 39-40% of my income. Im paying over 1000 dollars a week in taxes, although I guess that is expected living in Canada :\

explain to me, why the government figures that YOU should be penalized for making more money than the next guy. that's bullshit.

SO here is bob the underacheiver. Never gave a fuck in highschool. Never gave a fuck about college or university. Pissed his entire life away.; Was lazy
Gets a job with the city making 50k as a garbage man, and no stress. he will get taxed 15k MAX. so his take home is 35k yearly

Where as you, you didn't go out ever friday night in highschool, you worked hard. Went to university. Your job is white collar but a fuck load of pressure and stress, you make 100K and the government thinks that its' fair that you take home 51K after taxes.

WTF.......that's all i can say

So lets all be fucking slackers, cause i will tell ya, all the pressure that white collar job has, as well as the "expected" lifestyle. Means your not much better off than ol bob here. Infact worse, becuase the stress will shorten your lifespan, where bob will smoke pot into his fucking 90's.
WTF

how in gods green earth can ANYONE accept this. This is total bullshit.
If the government flat taxs everyone, FINE. everyone pays 25%. bob wants to be a slacker, he's not going to make alot. But if someone wants to acheive. The sky is the limit.

I took a stand and left canada. And I will never go back. Until canada collapses in it's own cesspool of taxational greed.

Then maybe I may go back if they decide to do it right the next time around.

[Baralis]

how in gods green earth can ANYONE accept this. This is total bullshit.


Because like 75% of the population makes less then 100k a year so of course the majority are going to be ok with it. Free stuff provided by the harding working for them!

[Elemancer]

Because like 75% of the population makes less then 100k a year so of course the majority are going to be ok with it. Free stuff provided by the harding working for them!

Disagree completely...

I would opt out of every goddamn socialist line item at the federal level in a heart beat. Yes, many of the common items I enjoy today would be compromised, but I'll tell you that I'm glad I'm not relying on some other dickhold to provide it for me.

[Baralis]

Disagree completely...

I would opt out of every goddamn socialist line item at the federal level in a heart beat. Yes, many of the common items I enjoy today would be compromised, but I'll tell you that I'm glad I'm not relying on some other dickhold to provide it for me.

Well I agree to a point. I think most would opt out of all the items they did not agree with if they could keep the ones they wanted but I think if most people were given the choice to either remove them all or have them all they would pick have them all.

[Salardc]

i take home about 1100 a week if that answers your question...

[PirateGlen]

explain to me, why the government figures that YOU should be penalized for making more money than the next guy. that's bullshit.

SO here is bob the underacheiver. Never gave a fuck in highschool. Never gave a fuck about college or university. Pissed his entire life away.; Was lazy
Gets a job with the city making 50k as a garbage man, and no stress. he will get taxed 15k MAX. so his take home is 35k yearly

Where as you, you didn't go out ever friday night in highschool, you worked hard. Went to university. Your job is white collar but a fuck load of pressure and stress, you make 100K and the government thinks that its' fair that you take home 51K after taxes.

WTF.......that's all i can say

So lets all be fucking slackers, cause i will tell ya, all the pressure that white collar job has, as well as the "expected" lifestyle. Means your not much better off than ol bob here. Infact worse, becuase the stress will shorten your lifespan, where bob will smoke pot into his fucking 90's.
WTF

how in gods green earth can ANYONE accept this. This is total bullshit.
If the government flat taxs everyone, FINE. everyone pays 25%. bob wants to be a slacker, he's not going to make alot. But if someone wants to acheive. The sky is the limit.

I took a stand and left canada. And I will never go back. Until canada collapses in it's own cesspool of taxational greed.

Then maybe I may go back if they decide to do it right the next time around.

Unskilled labor tends to lower lifespan much more than office stress.

[Silverhandorder]

Unskilled labor tends to lower lifespan much more than office stress.
correlation does not mean causation.

[Killuminati]

So, it would have no effect whatsoever on employment if the employer's share of FICA taxes were 5,000%? Or haven't they covered this subject yet in high school economics?

Lol, somebodys getting angwy. Of course it would affect them, and they wouldn't be able to hire anyone. That's why the government has it at a reasonable percentage. Keep grasping for them straws!

[Ghosts of Angra]

Actually, I dont even have a job and I just got a handjob from my older brother... no fudging sir

Fixed

[HiroProtagonist]

Lol, somebodys getting angwy. Of course it would affect them, and they wouldn't be able to hire anyone. That's why the government has it at a reasonable percentage. Keep grasping for them straws!

It is unlikely that anything posted on a message board will anger me. As far as grasping at straws, I am afraid that would be your forte. You have asserted that employer's share of FICA taxes have no impact on business. That is, to any rational observer, absurd.

Please define what is a reasonable percentage vs. an unreasonable percentage. If you had any grasp of ecomonics, you would realize ANYTHING that raises the nominal cost of employment has a large impact on both the business and the economy as a whole. You have acknowledged a 5,000% tax would preclude employment. What percentage would you estimate is the breakeven point where that addditional cost would have no impact?

[PirateGlen]

It is unlikely that anything posted on a message board will anger me. As far as grasping at straws, I am afraid that would be your forte. You have asserted that employer's share of FICA taxes have no impact on business. That is, to any rational observer, absurd.

Please define what is a reasonable percentage vs. an unreasonable percentage. If you had any grasp of ecomonics, you would realize ANYTHING that raises the nominal cost of employment has a large impact on both the business and the economy as a whole. You have acknowledged a 5,000% tax would preclude employment. What percentage would you estimate is the breakeven point where that addditional cost would have no impact?

Here's what he's saying: Except for minimum wage businesses can budget the amount they will pay for a worker. From THIS amount all obligated expenses are deducted, including the FICA tax. After the FICA tax and other expenses is deducted from what they are willing to pay for a worker, you have the amount the worker ACTUALLY gets paid.

It's really simple.

[PirateGlen]

correlation does not mean causation.

Tell that to the black lung.

[Slade Trillgon]

explain to me, why the government figures that YOU should be penalized for making more money than the next guy. that's bullshit.

SO here is bob the underacheiver. Never gave a fuck in highschool. Never gave a fuck about college or university. Pissed his entire life away.; Was lazy
Gets a job with the city making 50k as a garbage man, and no stress. he will get taxed 15k MAX. so his take home is 35k yearly

Where as you, you didn't go out ever friday night in highschool, you worked hard. Went to university. Your job is white collar but a fuck load of pressure and stress, you make 100K and the government thinks that its' fair that you take home 51K after taxes.


I do not think that graduated taxes are the correct way to go, but to think you are better then blue collar workers because you have a college degree is one of the problems with man. Classicism, got to love it.

I wonder if you ever worked a day of blue collar work in your life or know how that class of citizen really lives. You take the worst example and try to use it for a whole class of people. I would like to see you get up every morning and go out and collect the trash.


Slade

[HiroProtagonist]

Here's what he's saying: Except for minimum wage businesses can budget the amount they will pay for a worker. From THIS amount all obligated expenses are deducted, including the FICA tax. After the FICA tax and other expenses is deducted from what they are willing to pay for a worker, you have the amount the worker ACTUALLY gets paid.

It's really simple.

Please correct me if I am misunderstanding both of you. You are saying that the employer's share of FICA taxes is considered a part of the cost of hiring/paying an employee? Uhmmmm, no kidding. I never argued otherwise.

My assertions were: 1) I, as an employer, was paying taxes on my employees wages 2) that stunk 3) those additional costs had a deleterious effect on my employees, me, and the economy as a whole

Kill-wth is Kwanza-'s assertions as I understand it were: 1) I, Hiro, didn't know what I was talking about 2) If I hadn't had to pay FICA, it was a given that money would have gone to my employees 3) those taxes, at the current rate, had no effect whatsoever on me or the economy because they were at a 'reasonable rate'.

[Vanno]

This just in, taxes still suck.

I'm not sure what the cost of living is where you are at, but at least you are making decent money. Right now, taxes are literally helping in putting me in the red (I'll be out in about 4 month's when my lease is up and I can be free of paying two rents). The most annoying thing about it all is that I've looked and looked and still can't see where the benefits of government justify the taxes.

[kordoyn]

This just in, taxes still suck.

I'm not sure what the cost of living is where you are at, but at least you are making decent money. Right now, taxes are literally helping in putting me in the red (I'll be out in about 4 month's when my lease is up and I can be free of paying two rents). The most annoying thing about it all is that I've looked and looked and still can't see where the benefits of government justify the taxes.

Just think of the good you're doing. The guy two blocks over who doesn't feel like going in to work ever doesn't have to because of your generosity.

[Vanno]

Just think of the good you're doing. The guy two blocks over who doesn't feel like going in to work ever doesn't have to because of your generosity.

Not really, there are still transients galore in my city; roughly 30% in taxes and still we can't get transients in even dorm type housing.

[Salardc]

Fixed

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