Attacking guild enemies should not mean GREY!

[Sazzily]

The fact that one turns grey while attacking guild enemies is such a huge carebearish way to protect the most coward gankers in this game.

If a guild puts a single player on their KOS-list over single players then the members of that guild shold NOT turn grey for attacking them.

If a guild_A puts guild_B on the WAR-list of the guild the members of guild_A should NOT turn grey for attacking members of guild_B.

How does alignment come into play when a good clan is at war with another good clan?
Once clans have declared war on each other, no alignment adjustments will occur due to your actions towards members of the clan you are at war with.


The persons the guild is in war with MUST include the list of single persons as it otherwise is a CAREBEAR PROTECTIONAL SYSTEM BEYOND BELIEF!!

or as this video says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtvIYRrgZ04
ITS NOT EVEN FCUKING REMOTELY IMAGINABLE!!

[Grisu]

u dont turn grey...

[Viluin]

Oh great, let's allow clans to put individual players on a KOS list so they can gank them in town, take their stuff and remove them from the list. Not even a war declaration involved, woohoo! :bang:

[Sazzily]

u dont turn grey...
You do.. :)

Oh great, let's allow clans to put individual players on a KOS list so they can gank them in town, take their stuff and remove them from the list. Not even a war declaration involved, woohoo! :bang:
Yes.. let us do that.. :D

So that honest people in clans have some means to protect themselves from guildless naked gankers in teams where 5 kill crafters and a 6th stand outside the fight blue to loot the tomb..

Lets do that.. :D

[xtibian]

you do not turn grey if you attack a clan memeber of a clan that you are at war with I kill waring clan members in town all the time.

[Golbez01]

The same mechanic applied to junking loot prior to being killed should be applied to dropping guild tags. You drop guild tag, still vulnerable vs. all warred enemies for... longer than five minutes that's for sure... I'd say a day. You drop your guild to get out of a war... you better mean it. And then a week to reapply. Pussies.

[Gadzy]

stop complaining about a nonexisting issue, kkthx.

[Spyder0527]

stop complaining about a nonexisting issue, kkthx.

QFT.

You do not turn grey if you kill a member of a clan that your clan is at war with.

[Kidz Range]

you do not turn grey if you attack a clan memeber of a clan that you are at war with I kill waring clan members in town all the time.

^^^^ this is correct, whoever posted this thread is stupid....you dont turn gray if you attack a clan your at war with....thats TRULY at war with though, not just "Oh i dont like you guys so we are at war" you have to declare war....

[Golbez01]

I'm assuming the person he attacked dropped guild tags. A lot of things could have happened... like hitting an innocent bystander. I'm bringing up something that could be considered shitty or broken.

[VidarDf]

The fact that one turns grey while attacking guild enemies is such a huge carebearish way to protect the most coward gankers in this game.

If a guild puts a single player on their KOS-list over single players then the members of that guild shold NOT turn grey for attacking them.

If a guild_A puts guild_B on the WAR-list of the guild the members of guild_A should NOT turn grey for attacking members of guild_B.



The persons the guild is in war with MUST include the list of single persons as it otherwise is a CAREBEAR PROTECTIONAL SYSTEM BEYOND BELIEF!!

or as this video says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtvIYRrgZ04
ITS NOT EVEN FCUKING REMOTELY IMAGINABLE!!


I believe you were looking for the PvE forum.

[GRCPan]

Or maybe you are the carebear that is afraid of getting alignment hit for killing someone.

[Sazzily]

if a guild puts a single player on their [b]kos-list over single players then the members of that guild shold not turn grey for attacking them.

The persons the guild is in war with must include the list of single persons as it otherwise is a carebear protectional system beyond belief!!


learn to fucking read!

[Sazzily]

So that honest people in clans have some means to protect themselves from guildless naked gankers in teams where 5 kill crafters and a 6th stand outside the fight blue to loot the tomb..
Lear to read this aswell.

[I Eat Children]

Lear to read this aswell.

GTFO carebear.

[Sazzily]

GTFO carebear.

Wonder who is the carebear here.. one that wants to keep a system that allows crafter-gankers to gank and get away with it.. or me..

[foraz]

qq! Im walking encumbered to my craftingspot, without armor or shield ofc, get killed while afk-crafting and come to the boards..Qq?
wtb paladinbubble for crafting..

Where is the single players clan-kos list when needed..

[RifRaf]

Wonder who is the carebear here.. one that wants to keep a system that allows crafter-gankers to gank and get away with it.. or me..

You mean the one who is afraid of taking an alignment hit because of the scary towers? Or the one who wants to be able to put anyone anywhere on their KOS list so they can kill them without taking an alignment hit?

[Atheki]

Yeah, sure OP...
As Viluin said, it is a stupid idea.

An example: I killed some clanmember in the wilderness.
Now he puts my name on the KOS list of his clan and I will get beaten to death without them taking a single alignment hit. Great!
And since I´m clanless I can´t do the same and get an alignment hit if I try to defend myself.

You sir are a genius! :bang:

[Tolgeranth]

As pointed out if your guild is at war, you don't go grey. What is annoying is the DLC guys that are always together but in no guild (you know the guys with last names DLC) so when you go to return the gank you take the alignment hit. Still get their shit but now back to Orc/Mahraim lands to get alignment back above 10.

Annoying, clever but annoying......

[Darkfire58]

You DONT turn grey as long as the clan is at war with you as well. Ive never turned grey from killing somebody from a clan that we are at war with, must just be a bug for you. :/

[katahlyn]

Enemy list and Wary list are two different things. OP doesn't know what he's talking about and should l2p.

[Vamp]

she is talking about KOS lists, I am on a bunch, and I laugh everytime a guild puts me on one.

KOS list is purely cosmetic, just like Friendly/Wary/Neutral status for clans, it does essentially nothing.

Now, thats fine, but i would atleast like a tiny description in the mouseover showing the status of that person/clan, thats my only suggestion.

KOS list allowing you to kill anyone in town, um no. unreasonable and stupid. that means any griefer guild or rpk can just KOS anyone at crafting stations and nail their ass while doing so. trust me, i would love that. but it would be bad for the game.

[DocMartin]

KOS doesn't mean I'm a bad guy, or that I even know who you are. I don't think I get to click an "accept" button or get some kind of warning like "WAR!" when I get put on your list.

If you think I'm bad, kill me and take your penalty. A KOS list without consequences would be just plain stupid.


And if the reasoning is that you want to revenge someone who killed you in town... carry a shield and parry them, or wear some junk armor and put your back to a wall. There is no way that you will die inside a city to any amount of naked people if you're paying half-attention to the game. Besides, even if you kill him for revenge, he's naked and will lost nothing. You KOS'ing him won't deter him in any way from griefing.

[Exarchice]

The fact that one turns grey while attacking guild enemies is such a huge carebearish way to protect the most coward gankers in this game.

If a guild puts a single player on their KOS-list over single players then the members of that guild shold NOT turn grey for attacking them.

If a guild_A puts guild_B on the WAR-list of the guild the members of guild_A should NOT turn grey for attacking members of guild_B.



The persons the guild is in war with MUST include the list of single persons as it otherwise is a CAREBEAR PROTECTIONAL SYSTEM BEYOND BELIEF!!

or as this video says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtvIYRrgZ04
ITS NOT EVEN FCUKING REMOTELY IMAGINABLE!!
WOW JUST WOW, did you just buy this account? please tell me you did, or that this is a joke.


if ur at war with a guild you can pk them any place you like, and you only go grey if you accidentally attack someone that isnt on your enemy list.

[Reuvil]

The same mechanic applied to junking loot prior to being killed should be applied to dropping guild tags. You drop guild tag, still vulnerable vs. all warred enemies for... longer than five minutes that's for sure... I'd say a day. You drop your guild to get out of a war... you better mean it. And then a week to reapply. Pussies.


This...

[Sazzily]

Well this thread is yet another proof that these forums are full of

IDIOTS

that for sure still need to

LEARN TO READ

before they post..

I don't think more than one answer at the most have read and understood the OP.

[Doula Doom]

I've discussed this with friends, and a good solution would be to make anyone grouped with a member of a different faction GREY. Its ridiculous that ARAC guilds have no penalties and in fact there's no reason outside of RP to make a guild that ISNT ARAC. There has to be penalties for arac guilds because as it is now, fighting players from an ARAC is a great way to lose your faction and access to a factional town solely for defending yourself.

[takenyouth]

u dont turn grey...
.

[KoomValley]

The fact that one turns grey while attacking guild enemies is such a huge carebearish way to protect the most coward gankers in this game.

If a guild puts a single player on their KOS-list over single players then the members of that guild shold NOT turn grey for attacking them.

If a guild_A puts guild_B on the WAR-list of the guild the members of guild_A should NOT turn grey for attacking members of guild_B.



The persons the guild is in war with MUST include the list of single persons as it otherwise is a CAREBEAR PROTECTIONAL SYSTEM BEYOND BELIEF!!

or as this video says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtvIYRrgZ04
ITS NOT EVEN FCUKING REMOTELY IMAGINABLE!!

You don't turn grey for being at war with a clan.

[No Spin Zone]

Another example of someone who came to Darkfall thinking they were all hard only to find out this game is just too rough for them, *sigh*.

[Poacher]

Well this thread is yet another proof that these forums are full of

IDIOTS

that for sure still need to

LEARN TO READ

before they post..

I don't think more than one answer at the most have read and understood the OP.

We idiots shall gladly endevour to read when you L2DF.

[Thlaulan]

i think we have approx. 50% of this forum population that fail at reading.

The OP stated that we need some way to handle people in DARKFALL that are NOT IN CLANS, as you cannot declare war on these.

Several solutions comes to mind.

Make all non clanned people LONERS. These guys dont give you alingment hit.
Allow the KOS list to work like a WAR declaration towards a Clan just towards an individual. However if you KOS someone from a clan then this is a WAR declaration towards the full clan, no pussywussy around there. Add a time delay for this, so you cant surprise war someone in city for their trade goods.

[drainX]

There is really no point in being in a guild if that guild doesn't own a city. Better just create a big party and invite all your friends that are online. Only thing that having a guild would change is that random griefer guilds can war you and attack you in town. And the guilds that do have their own city don't really have a reason to be standing around in towered areas. I don't see a problem with the current system at all.

[Nicholai Pestot]

i think we have approx. 50% of this forum population that fail at reading.

The OP stated that we need some way to handle people in DARKFALL that are NOT IN CLANS, as you cannot declare war on these.

Several solutions comes to mind.

Make all non clanned people LONERS. These guys dont give you alingment hit.
Allow the KOS list to work like a WAR declaration towards a Clan just towards an individual. However if you KOS someone from a clan then this is a WAR declaration towards the full clan, no pussywussy around there. Add a time delay for this, so you cant surprise war someone in city for their trade goods.


You missed the most important option


Pay someone to kill them.


Its a sandbox MMO. Find a player solution, don't request a solution from on-high.

I kill un-guilded people all the time. Its not a big deal. Send an ingame message to Nicholai Squadbreaker if you want someone taken out.

[Thlaulan]

You missed the most important option


Pay someone to kill them.


Its a sandbox MMO. Find a player solution, don't request a solution from on-high.

Are you just playing dense or is it your natural state? What we are discussing here is based on how Aventurine has designed the game with an alignment system and there appears to be a hole in this design, as it allows clanless individuals some protection via exploiting the alingment system, which I do not belive was intentional.

[Nicholai Pestot]

Are you just playing dense or is it your natural state? What we are discussing here is based on how Aventurine has designed the game with an alignment system and there appears to be a hole in this design, as it allows clanless individuals some protection via exploiting the alingment system, which I do not belive was intentional.

How, exactly, does the allignment system protect someone?

Does being blue and of the same race throw up a magical immunity field around them? No.

Kill them. Fuck the allignment hit, who cares. It doesn't matter anyway, remember ;)

I get my allignment killing squishy humans in PvP raids, so I have plenty to burn if you want a pest taken out :D

If the little fucker is hiding in a city, get a few buddies and suicide on him. It isn't hard.

[Lictor]

Wonder who is the carebear here..

You!

Is it ok answer for you?

[Sazzily]

You!

Is it ok answer for you?

And the reasons to you pointing at me with a carebear finger is exactly WHAT?

It will be interesting to see those reasons and to realize if you actually have read and understood what I am saying before you call me a carebear..

[Sazzily]

How, exactly, does the allignment system protect someone?
The rouge-status in combination with the laser towers protect the gangs that team up and have all but one killing crafters and the last one looting the crafter in question.

Without the posibility to add thos CLANLESS individuals to a KOS-list that do NOT make you turn grey if you attack they are protected by the lasertower-system in the starting cities..

That system was designed to protect noobs from getting ganked, but in reality it only protects the gankers that team up to gank. THAT my dear readers is what is so utterly carebearish about the system and the gankers applaud the wonderful protection they get from Aventurines built in laser-tower machanics in combination with the no way to pput those players at WAR-status from a guild point of view to aviod turning grey when you hit them.

These gankers are the saddest kind of players in Darkfall and that there is a system in the game that actually PROTECT them I can not understand.

I personally have not been in starter areas for quite a while and I will never return to them, so getting a solution for this problem will not at all influence my game-play. I only feel sad when I think of all the people that still are in the starting areas and meet these sad gankers.. FFA PvP without protection for anyone is MY game.. and that is where I am atm.. player-owned cities, chaos stones.. Guild diplomatics and wars as it should be in a sand-box game..

And some call ME a carebear?? hahahahah :lmao::lmao::lmao:

[Krush]

If a guild puts a single player on their KOS-list over single players then the members of that guild shold NOT turn grey for attacking them.
This makes you go grey because it would cause imbalance otherwise.

If a guild_A puts guild_B on the WAR-list of the guild the members of guild_A should NOT turn grey for attacking members of guild_B.
This doesn't make you go grey, maybe you're thinking of WARY.

[Sazzily]

This makes you go grey because it would cause imbalance otherwise.
Here my friend is where the dicsussion is and where the opinions are not equal..

[Stel]

Well this thread is yet another proof that these forums are full of

IDIOTS

that for sure still need to

LEARN TO READ

before they post..

I don't think more than one answer at the most have read and understood the OP.


You are the OP. In addition, you need to learn how to write. Your original post is a bunch of garbage and whatever point you are trying to convey was lost. The only idiot is the OP.

[yamisniper]

[QUOTE=Sazzily;3128395]You do.. :)

you dont if your at war with that clan

[GrishNKlomp]

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Someone got PK'd

[Sazzily]

you dont if your at war with that clan
Being at war with a clan doesn't make any difference if the gankers are clan-less does it? Learn to read.

The one I answered in your quote needs to learn to post in a way so that it is clear what he talks about.

[Sazzily]

RAGE RANT
Someone got PK'd
Someone is trying to make Aventurine notice that the system can not work as intended.. Because noone can possibley have intended that 5 naked people should have protectino form guard towers as they kill one guy and a friend of their loot him inside starting cities..

The ranting is NOT because I got killed once.. the huge ranting in this thread is because of the idiotic people that post on these forums without even trying to read and understand what the issue is about.

[GrishNKlomp]

The ranting is because I got killed once.. the huge ranting in this thread is because of the idiotic people that post on these forums.

Then don't post. I think you need some counseling if you're going to write something like this over getting PK'd Roll PWNED one time, sheesh.

[thefattestduck]

because this game doesn't already suck large clans' dicks enough

[thedrumchannell]

You definitely don't turn grey...

[Sazzily]

Then don't post. I think you need some counseling if you're going to write something like this over getting PK'd Roll PWNED one time, sheesh.

You definitely don't turn grey...

I have said it before: LEARN TO FUCKING READ!!!

[GrishNKlomp]

I have said it before: I NEED TO LEARN TO FUCKING READ!!!

I don't like your attitude. :(

[Sazzily]

I don't like your attitude. :(

And do you think I like yours? When you desperately try to quote and edit to make it look like I say things I don't?

You are the saddest kind of posters.. You seriously are..

[Iversen]

I see where OP is coming from regarding the naked ganking, but his suggestion is really not a solution.
It would allow clans to grief unguilded players (of which a large potion is new players) whenever and wherever they wanted. It would be horrible for the game which is why it will never happen.