Starter weapons...

[uo97to03]

Make them non-equipable after 50.0 please. Thanks.

[Lacruse]

Quite genius.

[Nicholai Pestot]

Make them non-equipable after 50.0 please. Thanks.

25 tbh

[Henide]

Quite genius.
agreed :)

[Lrac]

Plz give sword, evil alfar gankded me. plz i giv u gold when i get mor promis. plz kind sir, iam poor . plz plz give sword plz. i giv gold promis k? plz

[Krush]

Anything that causes the starter weapons to not be usable or not do damage, is going to cause any player that gets destroyed and loses everything to have to basically reroll or beg. Unfortunately I haven't seen a good idea as to how to deal with the naked pvp.

[HellFire-SiN]

Make them only damage mobs and not players.

[b9er]

Make them only damage mobs and not players.

thats got to be the second worst idea in the history of ideas. First being the OPs idea.

[kaffien]

I thought the solution would be simple, if your naked you take ALOT of damage. Even a suit of cloth should show definite advantages over naked.

[b9er]

Agon is like america.. You have the right to defend yourself no matter what. If you took away weapons you would not longer be able to defend yourself.

Americans carry guns, Agon carries starter weapons.

Starter weapons are in the Agon constitution. The supreme court will overturn your fight against freedom.

[HellFire-SiN]

thats got to be the second worst idea in the history of ideas. First being the OPs idea.

Why? I thought the reasoning behind the starter weapons is so that people always have a way to make money even if they get hammered on by pks. Making these starters weapons useful in PvP only gives people a reason to PvP naked thus taking away from actual meaningful PvP with consequences.

[keeperofstars]

I can't beleive you guys suck so bad you can't kill a few naked pkers using starter weapons. Fuck my rank 20 daggers are hitting for more than a naked polearm attack.

Maybe if you used gear and built up your weapon skills you wouldn't suck and naked pkers would just be fodder.

[Drazmic]

I can't beleive you guys suck so bad you can't kill a few naked pkers using starter weapons. Fuck my rank 20 daggers are hitting for more than a naked polearm attack.

Maybe if you used gear and built up your weapon skills you wouldn't suck and naked pkers would just be fodder.

This. No need to change the starter shit.

[samuraivelez]

So I'm guessing you'd rather get ganked by naked alfars wielding goblin axes + short swords?

[Xzen]

To me it sounds like the gankers with no skill want to take away any chance noobs might have to defend themselves. Geared>Naked already. If you go and attack a bunch of noobs that decide to get together and gang bang you and you lose all your stuff that's your bad. The starter weapons are fine.

[Bebylos]

They could add a faction in the game that lets you use starter weapons only in starter areas or something similar.

[GRCPan]

Yes and if you die without any weapons at your bank delete your character.

[Qiu]

thats what will happen. or shall your hamlet/city get zerged, what u wonna do, if u stay without any weapons at ur clanstone? u cant defendd anything ... ur next step will be: log out or try to escape - to run to the next bank. and if u have no weapons and no gold, like some beginners, u got pwned.

[Mebit]

Plz give sword, evil alfar gankded me. plz i giv u gold when i get mor promis. plz kind sir, iam poor . plz plz give sword plz. i giv gold promis k? plz

Quote is unrelated to reply.

Lrac Your signature is so full of win.

On topic: They should just have it so there are no starting weapons only your fists which should suck balls, which also should damage you when you hit (think about it, ever punched metal? it hurts).;)

[inademv]

Quote is unrelated to reply.

Lrac Your signature is so full of win.

On topic: They should just have it so there are no starting weapons only your fists which should suck balls, which also should damage you when you hit (think about it, ever punched metal? it hurts).;)

Then they would have to reduce the AI of mobs accordingly so as to not completely thrash every single new player who approaches them.

[luvboox]

Agon is like america.. You have the right to defend yourself no matter what. If you took away weapons you would not longer be able to defend yourself.

Americans carry guns, Agon carries starter weapons.

Starter weapons are in the Agon constitution. The supreme court will overturn your fight against freedom.

This.

[Milo Hobgoblin]

Anything that causes the starter weapons to not be usable or not do damage, is going to cause any player that gets destroyed and loses everything to have to basically reroll or beg. Unfortunately I haven't seen a good idea as to how to deal with the naked pvp.

Okay lets get real.. by the time ANY player reaches a weapon skill at 50.. no matter how bad they suck will have so many spare weapons in the bank they will never run out.

Dont be ridiculous.

[Rachsucht]

Agon is like america.. You have the right to defend yourself no matter what. If you took away weapons you would not longer be able to defend yourself.

Americans carry guns, Agon carries starter weapons.

Starter weapons are in the Agon constitution. The supreme court will overturn your fight against freedom.

Yeah you do have the right to defend yourself. I live in Texas too, but I had to buy my gun. And if someone stole it, I doubt a goverment official would come to my door to give me a replacement free of charge.

That being said, starter weapons are not the problem. The problem is that there is no meaningful penalty for death.

Stats loss for dying would solve this.

[keeperofstars]

Yeah you do have the right to defend yourself. I live in Texas too, but I had to buy my gun. And if someone stole it, I doubt a goverment official would come to my door to give me a replacement free of charge.

That being said, starter weapons are not the problem. The problem is that there is no meaningful penalty for death.

Stats loss for dying would solve this.

stat loss just removes pvp and makes zerg ganking the only pvp.

Starter weapons do little damage to banded / scale and nearly zero to plate.

Also a good rank 40 weapon rocks a naked person for about 40-50 damage, so no chance to live.

Problem is newbies wearing leather, and then thinking it should be uber strong.
That or 3 pieces of chain.

[Hooligan.]

Meh, only problem I see with newbie weapons are naked zergs which get annoying with nothing to gain, but no big deal.

I guess a solution would be to give newbie weapons a durability (they wear out after use like normal weapons), and have a vendor at starter towns which give them out for free as long as you dont already have one in your pack.

Might force more newbs to hang around their starter areas, but I guess if you're still using a newb weapon, you probably don't wanna be venturing too far away.

But eh, I'm not too bothered either way.

[Nicholai Pestot]

My only issue is that naked fighters are risking nothing, while potentially gaining quite a bit.

A person killed by a newbie weapon should not drop loot.

Want to gank someone for their stuff? Man up and go grab a goblin axe :p.

I honestly could not give a damn how much damage a naked guy does, but giving a pack of faggots running around too carebear to risk equipment in pvp the chance to gain player loot? Hell no.

risk:reward

If you risk nothing, you should gain nothing.

Edit:- I have not yet been killed by naked 'fighters' (I spend most of my time away from cities, where they don't seem to have the balls to roam) but it irks me that the risk:reward ratio is so out of wack in this area.

[inademv]

My only issue is that naked fighters are risking nothing, while potentially gaining quite a bit.

A person killed by a newbie weapon should not drop loot.

Want to gank someone for their stuff? Man up and go grab a goblin axe :p.

I honestly could not give a damn how much damage a naked guy does, but giving a pack of faggots running around too carebear to risk equipment in pvp the chance to gain player loot? Hell no.

risk:reward

If you risk nothing, you should gain nothing.

Edit:- I have not yet been killed by naked 'fighters' (I spend most of my time away from cities, where they don't seem to have the balls to roam) but it irks me that the risk:reward ratio is so out of wack in this area.

You are complaining about a problem you yourself have not experienced and have only the speculations of people who also have not experienced this problem to base your opinions on?

Why would you even post this?

Naked pvpers will beat geared players ONLY if they are just plain better than the players with gear. If you cannot face this fact then this is not the game for you.

[Nicholai Pestot]

You are complaining about a problem you yourself have not experienced and have only the speculations of people who also have not experienced this problem to base your opinions on?

Why would you even post this?

Naked pvpers will beat geared players ONLY if they are just plain better than the players with gear. If you cannot face this fact then this is not the game for you.

Actually I used the advantage of naked fighting during a war myself, fully expecting my opponents to do so. They didn't and lost a fair bit of equipment due to me picking the right time and place to jump them (away from banks and when at low health/stam). The thing is, even if I mis-judged the situation I was risking nothing and because of the way I was stalking my targets there was little difference in my effectivness between being equipped or naked.

I hate the system, but I would be a fool not to use it to my advantage.I honestly don't want an effective way to kill and loot with zero risk, but while it is there I will use it. I would be a fool not to.

In much the same way, I abuse the hell out of the ability to drop clan mid-fight when in a war (lulz tower-rape) while posting suggestions on the forum to stop it.

The game is as the game is.Winners adapt, see the mechanics for what they are and get on with playing as efficently as possible. This doesn't stop me wanting cock-eyed things to improve.

I would love to have to risk gear in order to hurt war-targets, but I'm not going to shoot myself in the foot by refusing to use every (non-exploiting) advantage I can get.

[Ben060682]

I thought the solution would be simple, if your naked you take ALOT of damage. Even a suit of cloth should show definite advantages over naked.

agree

[vitruvius]

just cut the damage of the starter weapons in half... they're pretty much the equivilant of rank 0's right now making rank 0's pretty much useless because you can use a starter weapon that never breaks and you can't lose instead

[inademv]

Actually I used the advantage of naked fighting during a war myself, fully expecting my opponents to do so. They didn't and lost a fair bit of equipment due to me picking the right time and place to jump them (away from banks and when at low health/stam). The thing is, even if I mis-judged the situation I was risking nothing and because of the way I was stalking my targets there was little difference in my effectivness between being equipped or naked.

I hate the system, but I would be a fool not to use it to my advantage.I honestly don't want an effective way to kill and loot with zero risk, but while it is there I will use it. I would be a fool not to.

In much the same way, I abuse the hell out of the ability to drop clan mid-fight when in a war (lulz tower-rape) while posting suggestions on the forum to stop it.

The game is as the game is.Winners adapt, see the mechanics for what they are and get on with playing as efficently as possible. This doesn't stop me wanting cock-eyed things to improve.

I would love to have to risk gear in order to hurt war-targets, but I'm not going to shoot myself in the foot by refusing to use every (non-exploiting) advantage I can get.

Stalking and ambushing players who are on deaths door has absolutely nothing to do with the geared vs naked argument. If those players had been competent then they would not have let themselves get low enough on health and/or stamina to be killed by anything less than a superior force. That is a skill issue, not a stats or gear issue.

Also the no faction hits from being at WAR with another guild isn't really a concern to the devs when it comes to the starter towns because you shouldn't be dicking around there outside of getting started anyways.

[Nicholai Pestot]

Stalking and ambushing players who are on deaths door has absolutely nothing to do with the geared vs naked argument. If those players had been competent then they would not have let themselves get low enough on health and/or stamina to be killed by anything less than a superior force. That is a skill issue, not a stats or gear issue.

Also the no faction hits from being at WAR with another guild isn't really a concern to the devs when it comes to the starter towns because you shouldn't be dicking around there outside of getting started anyways.


You have reading problems, right?

My issue lies in the lack of risk when naked fighting, I really don't give a damn about its effectivness. Rookie weapons could do 10% the damage they do currently and I could still abuse the hell out of risk free naked-fighting.

Also what, exactly, has dropping out of my clan midway through fighting with war targets in a city, prompting the turrets to rape them all the next time they hit me, got to do with allignment concerns?

[vitruvius]

stat loss just removes pvp and makes zerg ganking the only pvp.

Starter weapons do little damage to banded / scale and nearly zero to plate.

Also a good rank 40 weapon rocks a naked person for about 40-50 damage, so no chance to live.

Problem is newbies wearing leather, and then thinking it should be uber strong.
That or 3 pieces of chain.

You obviously haven't fought a naked alfar named 'Poison Ivy'. Look him up in game if you want to see what a naked guy with the newb polearm, some food, and potions can do to an average armored opponent.

Most geared/well prepared people that are good at PvP can take him down but I bet you'll be below 25%. - This shouldn't happen IMO. Like others have said, zero risk, zero reward. (I guess he's risking some potions and food but...)

[drz]

Agon is like america.. You have the right to defend yourself no matter what. If you took away weapons you would not longer be able to defend yourself.

Americans carry guns, Agon carries starter weapons.

Starter weapons are in the Agon constitution. The supreme court will overturn your fight against freedom.

uhm... if i kill an american.. or rob him... and i take his gun... yah... he doesn't have it anymore