Naked PK will ruin darkfall.

[CigarHero]

There is no incentive to fight naked PKs. They don't die fast enough, and do not take enough damage. Most of the naked gank groups run 5 or more deep, and that leaves anyone in a smaller group the option of running away or run the risk of dying.

Naked people with starter weapons going out in groups and being able to even take out one person in a similar sized group shouldn't happen. These kids are naked, for fucks sake, and its not 'hardcore' if they risk nothing and can gain everything.

Fix the naked system, or remove starter weapons entirely. Make them have to risk something to go out an pk.

[FASLAYER]

Bad.

[wagz21187]

Starter weapons just do to much damage compared to high end items. Mostly you need to just learn how to play, and play in a group. Equipped group + skill vs naked group + skill equipped group will always win.

[CigarHero]

I figured someone would post the "bad" flame or the learn to play. Thanks though, I'm good. When I get zerged by 5 naked guys, its run or die. You couldn't do anything different.

The only 'bad' is you asshats who are ruining the game with no risk pvp. Go back to wow or war if you don't want to risk anything. Otherwise, gear up and come fight, instead of running around like frightened children (naked).

[Syloc]

No matter how much "skill" you have, the naked group is risking absolutely nothing, and it only takes them to win once for it to pay off. Lets face it, even if they lose 5 straight times, it doesn't matter, because they didn't risk anything to begin with.

I have to agree with the OP, especially with the prevalence of naked pvping at sieges, it's getting out of hand how effective it is to naked pvp.

[JamesArhy]

The only 'bad' is you asshats who are ruining the game with no risk pvp. Go back to wow or war if you don't want to risk anything. Otherwise, gear up and come fight, instead of running around like frightened children (naked).

Amen to that!

[Suraknar]

All is fine, being able to get in to the fray of the fight from the get go has been a goal of DFO and its Devs since day one.

This is not a level based game, your Character Skill, gear and time in game is not a guarantee of Success, like a lvl 70 vs a lvl 10 in other games.

If your Advanced then you should know how to handle yourself with your Team.

And besides, it is not as if its not realistic either you know, in Real Life a nake guy with a knife is as Dangerous as one with Kevlar, and to eachother.

So...continue QQ if you wish, but that is the way it was meant to be and as it should be too, IMHO.

Sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you.

[Sunspots]

I figured someone would post the "bad" flame or the learn to play. Thanks though, I'm good. When I get zerged by 5 naked guys, its run or die. You couldn't do anything different.

The only 'bad' is you asshats who are ruining the game with no risk pvp. Go back to wow or war if you don't want to risk anything. Otherwise, gear up and come fight, instead of running around like frightened children (naked).

And if you get zerged by 5 geared guys, what would be different?

[Hubbell]

There is no incentive to fight naked PKs. They don't die fast enough, and do not take enough damage. Most of the naked gank groups run 5 or more deep, and that leaves anyone in a smaller group the option of running away or run the risk of dying.

Naked people with starter weapons going out in groups and being able to even take out one person in a similar sized group shouldn't happen. These kids are naked, for fucks sake, and its not 'hardcore' if they risk nothing and can gain everything.

Fix the naked system, or remove starter weapons entirely. Make them have to risk something to go out an pk.

Don't know what your problem with them is but I run around in a 2-4man group (I hate any bigger, and at 2-4guys you all get loot guaranteed) and we all wear chainmail+ (usually banded) and can easily take twice our number in naked guys without any trouble. Maybe you just suck.

But also, yes, naked zerging is fucking gay.

[Deadmans]

Come on man the devs have been pushing all along that a player with basic gear can still defeat a player with high end gear. If they change this then they change one of the things they have been pushing about DFO.

I agree that the starter weapons do too much damage and that there needs to be more of a reason to risk gear but they aren't going to change this anytime soon.

[melipone]

Come on man the devs have been pushing all along that a player with basic gear can still defeat a player with high end gear. If they change this then they change one of the things they have been pushing about DFO.



This is how the game should be for sure, but people should have to at least risk something to be competitive. So the difference between naked/chain should be huge compared to how it is now, but the difference between chain/plate should not be as much

[b9er]

Starter weapons just do to much damage compared to high end items. Mostly you need to just learn how to play, and play in a group. Equipped group + skill vs naked group + skill equipped group will always win.

Starter weapons don't do shit. I was naked hitting a naked guy at about 8-9dmg with the starter weapon.. then i switched to an r10 weapon and started doing 14-15 dmg per hit..

that's 50% more damage output on r10 weapon..

[Hubbell]

Come on man the devs have been pushing all along that a player with basic gear can still defeat a player with high end gear. If they change this then they change one of the things they have been pushing about DFO.

I agree that the starter weapons do too much damage and that there needs to be more of a reason to risk gear but they aren't going to change this anytime soon.

Make it so naked = incredibly bad for you, and simple cloth armor is infinitely better than that, and from there slowly increment it as it is now.

[MrShine]

I don't know what your problem is, I can take on 2 and sometimes (rarely) 3 naked players without too much difficulty, and I have a long way to go in the PvP department. I believe a recent patch already increased the damage dealt to naked players.

If you get zerged of course you are going to end up dying eventually, but if numbers are remotely close to even a competent geared team will wipe a naked team the vast majority of the time.

[Hubbell]

I don't know what your problem is, I can take on 2 and sometimes (rarely) 3 naked players without too much difficulty, and I have a long way to go in the PvP department. I believe a recent patch already increased the damage dealt to naked players.

If you get zerged of course you are going to end up dying eventually, but if numbers are remotely close to even a competent geared team will wipe a naked team the vast majority of the time.

Great hammer = hulksmash the naked bitches.

[Endless Nova]

Starter weapons don't do shit. I was naked hitting a naked guy at about 8-9dmg with the starter weapon.. then i switched to an r10 weapon and started doing 14-15 dmg per hit..

that's 50% more damage output on r10 weapon..

yeah but you're only looking at 1v1. When you get groups of naked people and they single out targets, so it's always 5v1 it's different. Because the naked guys have completely negated any risk, by not having anything to lose, as well as outnumbering their target. This is not going to get changed, because it's another mechanic that underhandedly forces people to group up. Something they should be doing anyway.

Only thing I'll say is that naked gank groups are darkfall's carebears. They only want reward without any risk. Skillless tools :)

[GRCPan]

Learn to play and you wont have a problem against naked players.
If they are more than you, why shouldnt they kill you?

[Ftwzwerg]

Stop whining O.o . Naked Rusher never survive more than 20 Sec`s, if you know how to play. Even if they are overnumbered....

[Skraylok]

There is no incentive to fight naked PKs. They don't die fast enough, and do not take enough damage. Most of the naked gank groups run 5 or more deep, and that leaves anyone in a smaller group the option of running away or run the risk of dying.

Naked people with starter weapons going out in groups and being able to even take out one person in a similar sized group shouldn't happen. These kids are naked, for fucks sake, and its not 'hardcore' if they risk nothing and can gain everything.

Fix the naked system, or remove starter weapons entirely. Make them have to risk something to go out an pk.


Learn to play and you wont die to a nudie unless you are nude youself lol.

[psycho91]

Get some friends, level your weapon skill and you shouldn't have much trouble 1v2 at least...

[Scottc1988]

A vitae penalty like the one in Asheron's Call would fix the issue of naked PKs. For those that didn't play Asheron's Call, read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asheron%27s_Call#Vitae

[Moshland]

7 naked Mahrim (however the fuck you spell it) against 2 well dressed humans.

Who do you think won? Not the naked idiots...

And to be honest, I think my clanmate would have taken out the 7 by himself even without my help because he has much better PvP skill than me (you hear that... some people have real skills you fucktard noobs).

Learn to play people (yeah, you OP).

Clueless whiny nerf-loving bastards like you will ruin Darkfall, not some clowns running around naked.

[Hapless{SR}]

There is absolutely no way 5 naked people could kill one geared player. NONE. Because that geared player if hes worth a fucking shit going to have sta pots, food, and resin for stamina. Not to mention a mount or two.

[AD_Karrax]

I dont have a problem with fighting nakeds... They take like 15-25 dmg a hit, and can barely do shit dmg with the newb weapons. Also if they decide to take food and pots with them they will just risk loosing it.... Nothing to whine about imo.

[Lexxer]

Two options to fix alot of Darkfalls problems:

1 (hardcore option): Stat or skill loss on death.

2 (carebear option): Stacking revive sickness.

[nacitar]

... can easily take twice our number in naked guys without any trouble. Maybe you just suck. ...

Anyone else notice how homoerotic a lot of these posts sound?

[Hapless{SR}]

homoeroticism is in the eyes of the beholder, and yes I do.

[Hubbell]

Anyone else notice how homoerotic a lot of these posts sound?

Sometimes you just gotta take it like a man.

[Paganizer]

When you nerf nodes -> making prices on ressources and crafted stuff skyrocket.. wtf do you expect? Of course more people will go naked.
First you have to find nodes that are not empty, then you have to gather. 3+ hours easily to equip yourself in a set of banded, get a weapon and some arrows.. yay mucho fun.
Oh yeah you could just go pvp (naked) and get some stuff :P

Naked fighting will continue and get worse.

[Mebit]

Bad.

STFU n00b!

[H2liveshot]

I want to keep the starter weps just nerf them. Also give us some dam starter armor. Even if it has no stat value at all. When i was playing beta I hated haveing to go out and gather resources for crafting naked.

[Jungle345]

i will admit, playing a game with a bunch of naked guys running around does not really interest me much. if they are naked, you should be able to take gold or something (assuming that gold isn't an inventory object).

maybe the naked person can just get a humiliation debuff (if they start fights) that is similar to rez sickness in WoW where you are crap for 10 minutes afterwards.

[Jungle345]

I want to keep the starter weps just nerf them. Also give us some dam starter armor. Even if it has no stat value at all. When i was playing beta I hated haveing to go out and gather resources for crafting naked.

a robe or over sized T-shirt would do nicely, yes?

[Dark Hero]

I'd say make people who are completely naked take double damage...

First off, your fucking naked, being hit by a sharp metal object....you guys saying people dont last more then 20 seconds...that in itself almost seems like its too much...

Your fucking naked...if ANYTHING it should have been 4 or 5 hits kills naked people, why? BECAUSE YOU ARE NAKED!

[Stumpy]

I completely agree but it seems every thread ike this is swamped by asshats who defend this so I decided to do it myself. Start with basically no armour and start ganking easy targets and colllect a few pieces as I go, by the end of the raid I have a full set of armour ... this is seriously unbalanced!

[keeperofstars]

When you nerf nodes -> making prices on ressources and crafted stuff skyrocket.. wtf do you expect? Of course more people will go naked.
First you have to find nodes that are not empty, then you have to gather. 3+ hours easily to equip yourself in a set of banded, get a weapon and some arrows.. yay mucho fun.
Oh yeah you could just go pvp (naked) and get some stuff :P

Naked fighting will continue and get worse.

Move away from starting town and there are so many un tapped resources its not funny, if your harvesting skills dont suck, (sounds like yours does) you can get a full suite of banded from 2-3 nodes in a short time period.

As far as rest of you. I never have any problem dropping tons of naked players. With my full enchanted plate, 5-10 stam pots, some crappy food, and a hand full of resin, with about 50 arrows. I can drop about 10-15 naked pkers, without breaking to much of a sweat.

Once you get your weapon skills up and get to actually use FULL POWER rank 40 weapons and such, you will find you hit a naked person with a 2 handed sword for around 50 damage a swing, takes about 4 swings to kill them. Since they are naked and suck half the time you get to hit more than 1 of them at a time.

Stop complaining and get your skills up and you will see that naked pkers are just fodder. The only complaint I have is the wasted resources used to kill them, typically the few pots, food, and resin I consumed to defeat them.

[DwellerBelow]

No matter how much "skill" you have, the naked group is risking absolutely nothing, and it only takes them to win once for it to pay off. Lets face it, even if they lose 5 straight times, it doesn't matter, because they didn't risk anything to begin with.

I have to agree with the OP, especially with the prevalence of naked pvping at sieges, it's getting out of hand how effective it is to naked pvp.

You got one of two realities to deal with in siege defense:
1. Either you are badass and fully geared and just don't get killed,
or
2. You died, and it's total chaos about the bank, not at all safe to gear up, and you are gunna get killed a dozen times more before it's over. So, after ya die, you fight siege defense naked.

Just face it, that's all I ask.

[DwellerBelow]

There is absolutely no way 5 naked people could kill one geared player. NONE. Because that geared player if hes worth a fucking shit going to have sta pots, food, and resin for stamina. Not to mention a mount or two.

HA HA We did it!

MM + Archery FTW!

The guy was from Drunken Beggars, had scale and mount, did not see any pots but plenty of mana to stamina, he was fierce in hand to hand, but then we switched to ranged, and boom, victory!

I mean, it took a little while to wear him down, but ranged attacks allowed us to concentrate our firepower effectively, with out friendly fire incidents.

[Lupios]

Come on man the devs have been pushing all along that a player with basic gear can still defeat a player with high end gear. If they change this then they change one of the things they have been pushing about DFO.

And why do they intergrate high end equip if its sensless?

[justicewoot]

What about they leave the current starter weapons in, but make them hit at maybe 10% of their strength in PvP, and leave them at 100% for PvE so you don't gimp new characters?

[Merlin-DDi]

About the OP, i think it is only a fase.
Basicly most of us are still "newbies" skill and stats wise. This is the reason fighting with a newbie polearm and staff still can make an impact.

However when people get skills up.. better weapons.. potions.. etc etc.. it will make a huge diffrence if you carry armor + high tier weapons vs a nacked character with newbie materials.

Give it time and combat will compleetly change.

[MAD-DUKE]

Most of you people bitching I have seen running around town in complete shit and complain when a Naked person kills you and takes your crap. Your crap was just as good if slightly better then being naked and I guarantee you when we killed you it was sold for the 2g it was worth or just trashed. There is a huge... Huge difference between naked PvP and Good Gear Pvp. Sure a skilled player can beat the shit out of a dim wit no matter what gear he is in, but gear give a huge advantage over naked people. Half the people pvp with the sprint key held down and jumping like lunatics,while swinging at the sky, which is another reason naked people rape you, cause we laugh until your out of stam. People don't seem to realize that 0 stam doesn't help your situation.

To the original poster... your in Fist of the Empire, so I expect these kinds of crap posts from you.

[Exarchice]

There is no incentive to fight naked PKs. They don't die fast enough, and do not take enough damage. Most of the naked gank groups run 5 or more deep, and that leaves anyone in a smaller group the option of running away or run the risk of dying.

Naked people with starter weapons going out in groups and being able to even take out one person in a similar sized group shouldn't happen. These kids are naked, for fucks sake, and its not 'hardcore' if they risk nothing and can gain everything.

Fix the naked system, or remove starter weapons entirely. Make them have to risk something to go out an pk.

i only naked pvp when i am solo... and i can kill 2 armored guys with just my polearm and staff... i usually get them while they are.... and use it to my advantage to get their items :)






























HUNTING MOBS duh

[Kaol]

they should just remove soulbound weapons

[inademv]

I'd say make people who are completely naked take double damage...

First off, your fucking naked, being hit by a sharp metal object....you guys saying people dont last more then 20 seconds...that in itself almost seems like its too much...

Your fucking naked...if ANYTHING it should have been 4 or 5 hits kills naked people, why? BECAUSE YOU ARE NAKED!

Same goes for anyone in anything less than full plate. One well placed slash or stab will drop a guy in plate armor IRL.

With mastery in the 70s my rank 40 greatsword hits naked players for just under 40. That is plenty enough to never die to them.

[inademv]

they should just remove soulbound weapons

And how would a completely new player or a player who lost everything get into the game?

[JKhan]

No matter how much "skill" you have, the naked group is risking absolutely nothing, and it only takes them to win once for it to pay off. Lets face it, even if they lose 5 straight times, it doesn't matter, because they didn't risk anything to begin with.

QFT. Read this paragraph until you understand it.

[inademv]

No matter how much "skill" you have, the naked group is risking absolutely nothing, and it only takes them to win once for it to pay off. Lets face it, even if they lose 5 straight times, it doesn't matter, because they didn't risk anything to begin with.

I have to agree with the OP, especially with the prevalence of naked pvping at sieges, it's getting out of hand how effective it is to naked pvp.

There is no reason for the naked people to ever win. If they do drop one of your guys, you loot him up and move out and the naked players still gain absolutely nothing.

[lkx]

Shut up naked bitches, the point isn't skill or not skill.
The point is that naked ambushers takes no risk at all.

They can go alone in every territory, and wait to take the opportunity to attack a non-fullfilled guy, and if they make a mistake and they attack the wrong guy, and this guy kick their asses, they don't loose anything.

That's not fair, and so WoWish.
This is supposed to be an hardcore game, and there's nothing hardcore to be able to take a great reward without any risk at all.

Decision -> conseguences.
The naked fighting breakes this rule.

So said, i think that the first step should be to remove the stamina drain effect from newbie weapons. DF its all about stamina, and we can see how the things will work with this change, and then evaluate a further step.

[kuntakintay]

Learn to play and you wont have a problem against naked players.
If they are more than you, why shouldnt they kill you?

sad way of thinking

[muthax]

Nekkid zergers, alignment exploiters and afk macroers are the real carebears in this game. Funny they will use that term on ANYBODY who tries to suggest this is fscked up. What happened to NO RISK NO REWARD? This is NO RISK LOT OF REWARD

[Winker]

There seams to be a really large amount of fucking numptys here! The OP is saying risk V reward. Naked PvPers risk nothing! They need to put a bigger risk in for naked PvPers

[Barnaba]

Shut up naked bitches, the point isn't skill or not skill.
The point is that naked ambushers takes no risk at all.

They can go alone in every territory, and wait to take the opportunity to attack a non-fullfilled guy, and if they make a mistake and they attack the wrong guy, and this guy kick their asses, they don't loose anything.

That's not fair, and so WoWish.
This is supposed to be an hardcore game, and there's nothing hardcore to be able to take a great reward without no risk at all.

Decision -> conseguences.
The naked fighting breakes this rule.

So said, i think that the first step should be to remove the stamina drain effect from newbie weapons. DF its all about stamina, and we can see how the things will work with this change, and then evaluate a further step.

/Agree

[Elochim]

op is right

[inademv]

op is right

No he's not.

[NurfedRekuul]

OP is right. And the conversation is about Risk vs. Reward, not skill - as others before me have said.

Still, the "omg l2p crew" needs to calm down.

Skilled naked guys will demolish decent geared guys if given a number advantage. Mana missiles have almost 100% armor penetration and there is no stamina penalty for being naked meaning you can run and dodge equal to any geared player.

Though I almost always PvP geared there have been numerous times where I've been forced to fight without gearing up and in during those times a group of naked guys with maybe 2-3 geared guys mixed in took on forces of completely geared players.

Were we better players? Sure probably to some extent but that doesn't excuse the fact that I have multiple mounts and sets of gear in my bank because of how effective naked rushing is. Mana missiles deal nearly full damage to armored players and it is very easy to MM focus people down at mid range. This is made even easier with a number advantage and the ability to sprint like a maniac whenever you get focused on while your teammates pepper enemies with MM.

The problem becomes compounded when larger numbers are present. 3 v 6 isn't so bad if the 3 are geared and the 6 aren't. But 5 v 10 is pushing it and if you don't think a group of 20 skilled and determined naked rushers can score some kills and loot from your armored group of 10 then I cordially invite you to meet us anytime, anywhere. Send a /msg to Rekuul QQ in game.

[Satzumi]

just remove the starterweapons and it will be solved i think

[GluttonousGamer]

another loophole is alot of noobs naked same race goes after an armored guy they will box him and start swinging even with armor you will die, in a starter town they can just die then get rez then swing again.

a good way to fix this is to lengthen the spawn time when you die, so you cant get zerged after they die in 10 sec.

or you can make the starter weapon un usable for a fixed period of time when you die, that way the naked gankers in newbie cities, hostile areas cant just zerg you when they die their noob weapons wont be usable lets say 1 minute

discuss

[Jathen]

just remove the starterweapons and it will be solved i think

Remove starter weapons. The bindstone zerg is not fun at all.

[Callel]

put a once your past 15 skill or 25 skill in a weapon type you can no longer wield the starter weapon.

If lets say someone buys one of every weapon to get past this its all good they fooked up there little ugly.

Yes starters are op how do you think any mage macros afk lol, if they had to rely on a wand made or bought a nightly afk would take months because youd bust wands by the tons.

And seriously on a side related note... WTF is there a starter Bow for? If your dead you have no arrows ... WTF was the dev smoking?

[AesirV]

Shut up naked bitches, the point isn't skill or not skill.
The point is that naked ambushers takes no risk at all.

They can go alone in every territory, and wait to take the opportunity to attack a non-fullfilled guy, and if they make a mistake and they attack the wrong guy, and this guy kick their asses, they don't loose anything.

That's not fair, and so WoWish.
This is supposed to be an hardcore game, and there's nothing hardcore to be able to take a great reward without any risk at all.

Decision -> conseguences.
The naked fighting breakes this rule.

So said, i think that the first step should be to remove the stamina drain effect from newbie weapons. DF its all about stamina, and we can see how the things will work with this change, and then evaluate a further step.

Direct and well said. I agree with everything except the stamina nerf. I think their are much more effective ways to deal with this problem.

Increasing damage when naked would be the easiest solution followed by eliminating noob weapons all together. Noob weapons are extremely contradictory to this game. How will people with nothing get stuff?

Not my problem. Introduce fist fighting if you have to.

[Gadzy]

Would you rather have to run from 5 well-equipped guys? That doesn't make sense.

[skimbobob]

While naked pvp might need further balancing to decrease effectiveness of naked combat vs armored, when balanced the idea is that because they are naked they waste more of their time. Many people forget that time is just as valuable. Running around naked may not risk your armor but you certainly might waste a lot of time getting owned by anything with real weapons and armor.

[nielse18]

This thread is great. Reminds me of my UO days running around bucs naked with an axe 2 hit killing mages...... those were the days.

All the people complaining here are those that i look forward to killing.

Ganking happens.... Deal with it.

Your complaining about getting ganked by naked guys.... Do you complain about getting ganked by armored guys as well?
either way you dead and your loot is gone.

So what if they are naked and not "risking" anything. Its a game, and they have chosen their play style.

It sounds like all the people complaining are the weaklings who cant handle themselves.

[Sabbathius]

Naked PK is detrimental to the game, yes.

Some games offered elegant solutions to this problem. For example, Pirates of the Burning Sea, which was a semi-PvP game, but did have full looting, made the beginner ships so ineffective that it was pointless to even try to PvP in one, you had about the same punch as a mosquito. So most people sailed in non-beginner ships, which were destructible/lootable, as was their cargo. There was no point in sailing in the newbie ship. What's more, you still had to buy ammo if you wanted to fight, so carrying ammo in a crap ship -> certain death, but carrying ammo in a decent ship -> a fighting chance.

Basically, beginner weapons in DFO are too effective.

[Bill OReilly]

Solution:
Half the damage of newb weapons ONLY against other players.

Double the damage taken if naked ONLY by other players.


This should make naked zergs very ineffective while still giving new players some ground to start the game on.

[Humakki]

Here is the fix.
This:
put a once your past 15 skill or 25 skill in a weapon type you can no longer wield the starter weapon.

and this:

Half the damage of newb weapons ONLY against other players.
Double the damage taken if naked ONLY by other players.

[wolfblackclaw]

I am for keeping the starter weapons, but I think that they should be limited, so for instance you couldn't use them past weapon skill level 25, that way a well trained player would have a good chance against anyone using starter weapons and when the person reaches 25 skill level, they should really be far enough in the game to either buy or make simple weapons themselves.

If you completely remove the starter weapons, then you'll have a lot of new players give up on the game due to the usual 5 man kill squads that comes in and kills everything every hour during prime time.

[vitruvius]

Naked people have just become annoyances at this point. If I see a naked enemy, I let them go. What do I have to gain from it? Even if for some reason, he/she is a challenge to kill, you still don't get anything... and risk the possibility of getting jumped in the process.

If they're in our clan city's territory, we kill them so they can't pick on harvesters, etc... but other than that, why bother? And if they give chase while you're on a mount, just back kick them, and if they're stupid enough to keep it up, they'll die from your mount's feet.

[vitruvius]

Solution:
Half the damage of newb weapons ONLY against other players.

Double the damage taken if naked ONLY by other players.


This should make naked zergs very ineffective while still giving new players some ground to start the game on.

This x 9999999999999999

Edit: I thought about it in terms of a gank squad going to pick on newbs at, let's say a goblin spawn, and it would tear newbs apart.

However, if they equip the crap weapons/armor they find from the mobs, there would be no issue.

And if they don't want to use goblin axes, 5 minutes at the spawn should merit enough gold to purchase a rank 0 weapon of any other type.

[Brazlar]

Remove weapon skill advancement, while weilding a starter weapon?

Same for armour (am sure mines gone up while naked), but with the armour, perhaps have it advance faster, the better u wear.

After such changes, people who gear up often, should fly ahead in skill rank, and thus, have a better advantage over nakedness.

Simple solution, and shud do the job. :sly:

[AesirV]

This thread is great. Reminds me of my UO days running around bucs naked with an axe 2 hit killing mages...... those were the days.

All the people complaining here are those that i look forward to killing.

Ganking happens.... Deal with it.

Your complaining about getting ganked by naked guys.... Do you complain about getting ganked by armored guys as well?
either way you dead and your loot is gone.

So what if they are naked and not "risking" anything. Its a game, and they have chosen their play style.

It sounds like all the people complaining are the weaklings who cant handle themselves.

Go back and read the thread. Obviously you need a second run. It is a game, and we have chosen this game based on a specific play style. Something you clearly do not realize and have contradicted yourself in. Risk vs Reward.

[BigCountry]

they should just remove soulbound weapons

This. Simple. Sweet. Fixes the problem.

[b9er]

You guys are 100% wrong that they don't risk anything.. they risk a big waste of their freaking time. You realize how long it takes to run across this world? Also as more people get into the game this will become less of an issue. A naked group wont last 10 seconds out there as there will be 10x more armored groups on mounts ready to destroy them.


I laugh when I see a naked group because they ALWAYS get wiped at some point. So they were able to own you and take all your things.. big deal. Guess what they didn't end up with those things in their bank. They got wiped my skilled players on their way home. And those skilled guys got your stuff.

Also the idea that naked should change anything is silly. If that was the case all they have to do is put a crappy collar or some arm guards on to not be considered naked in this game.

Get better armor..

[wolfblackclaw]

This. Simple. Sweet. Fixes the problem.

But introduces a whole bunch of new problems, so no.

Posted this a while ago in another thread:
Another way to deal with the problem would be to limit the starter weapons so they couldn't benefit from a skill level higher than 25 as well as not use skills related to a level higher than that, what I mean here is that if you have 78.4 level in swords and you then equip the sword starter weapon you would do damage as if you were level 25, and you wouldn't be able to use the knock-around skills, but still the powerstrike, this approach would make sure that you would always be able to go farm mobs like the goblins or other weak creatures to let you get money to buy some equipment, but against a trained player, you wouldn't have much of a chance because their skill level is way higher than yours.

Same thing could be done to limit naked fighting, by making it so that the defence skills would also be limited to a certain level like 25, though I am not sure about this point.

With this approach you could either be fighting naked with no risk and weapon skill and armor skill at 25 with only the power strike melee skill, while if you just put on a real weapon and some armor you could benefit from your 78.4 melee skill and 54.5 defence skill etc.

Also, you should limit the skill gain past this point, so past that point a real weapon would be needed to train, so that if you are level 25 already you won't gain more levels unless you start using real weapons.

[FastEddy]

Just make naked people take huge amounts of damage. that way people will at least have to go out of there way to put cloth on to take 'normal' naked damage.

[mrmojo14]

no.

[cinderblock]

And if you get zerged by 5 geared guys, what would be different?

the difference is those geared guys have something to lose, so you standing your ground and fighting outnumbered might actually pay off, or you might be able to get a few geared guys to turn and run.. If they are naked they will fight gladly to the death and you are the only one who has something to lose.


its the risk vs. reward argument. no reward if no risk imo.

[Tolgeranth]

You guys are 100% wrong that they don't risk anything.. they risk a big waste of their freaking time. You realize how long it takes to run across this world? Also as more people get into the game this will become less of an issue. A naked group wont last 10 seconds out there as there will be 10x more armored groups on mounts ready to destroy them.


I laugh when I see a naked group because they ALWAYS get wiped at some point. So they were able to own you and take all your things.. big deal. Guess what they didn't end up with those things in their bank. They got wiped my skilled players on their way home. And those skilled guys got your stuff.

Also the idea that naked should change anything is silly. If that was the case all they have to do is put a crappy collar or some arm guards on to not be considered naked in this game.

Get better armor..

They did not get ganked on their way home, they grabbed the loot, cleared the area and bindstone_recall their naked asses home. Viola, sure some got a free ride back to town sooner than the recallers btu hey share and they all win. Naked zerg sucks

[wolfblackclaw]

Just make naked people take huge amounts of damage. that way people will at least have to go out of there way to put cloth on to take 'normal' naked damage.

So you want to force new players into having to beg for armor, or want to beg yourself the day you get your ass kicked and lose all your armor? Sorry, but this would be a bad solution.

[Kusghuul]

The amount of time it would take for them to get something worthwile as opposed to doing something more worthwile weighs it up.

[Ben060682]

Anyone else notice how homoerotic a lot of these posts sound?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

I just know that the boys in my guild man up for action and its hardcore.

[Sunspots]

the difference is those geared guys have something to lose, so you standing your ground and fighting outnumbered might actually pay off, or you might be able to get a few geared guys to turn and run.. If they are naked they will fight gladly to the death and you are the only one who has something to lose.


its the risk vs. reward argument. no reward if no risk imo.

OP talks about getting attacked by 5 naked dudes and he loses.

You seem to expect a solo to win against 5 dudes who are 'risking' something. Ok, suppose these 5 guys had full plate and high rank weapons. Now they are risking and I hope you can see that now their chance for victory is much greater than before. If you believe that somehow by standing your ground that something will magically pay off, you are either foolish or naive. You would get beat again (and even quicker).

Tell me how would this change the outcome of the losing scenario the OP has posted?

[Exarchice]

There is no incentive to fight naked PKs. They don't die fast enough, and do not take enough damage. Most of the naked gank groups run 5 or more deep, and that leaves anyone in a smaller group the option of running away or run the risk of dying.

Naked people with starter weapons going out in groups and being able to even take out one person in a similar sized group shouldn't happen. These kids are naked, for fucks sake, and its not 'hardcore' if they risk nothing and can gain everything.

Fix the naked system, or remove starter weapons entirely. Make them have to risk something to go out an pk.

Please donate to me full plate armor every time I die and i will be glad to never run around naked ever again, also I require rank 70 polearms every time i die aswel please, oh and my polearm skill is only just under 30, so you will have to donate 2-3 rank level 70 polearms to me every time I die :)


Thanks,
Exarch Ice


P.S. sorry I do not meet your standards as I am a poor man and cannot play the game 24/7.

[Xzen]

I got an idea. Instead of crying about naked pks why don't you and your clan do something about it. Police the land. If anything you might manage to kill and loot some of them after they killed and looted some noobs.

[Exarchice]

I got an idea. Instead of crying about naked pks why don't you and your clan do something about it. Police the land. If anything you might manage to kill and loot some of them after they killed and looted some noobs.

hah good idea, if u see a naked person kill them :) and if u see someone in armor just leave them alone, they are way too skilled to hurt anybody.

[Xzen]

hah good idea, if u see a naked person kill them :) and if u see someone in armor just leave them alone, they are way too skilled to hurt anybody.

Ok if you see a group of naked people running around = Naked PKs kill them.
If you see a group of geared dudes running around = Geared PKs Kill them. :sly:

[Magusto]

Please learn to play before posting such things. Starter weapons are needed in order for someone just joining to not get killed by everyone camping newbie towns.

[Dread_Og]

People in full plate aren't crying about naked people. It's the noobs that loot a full set of padded armor off goblins and are surprised that they still lose to naked people.

[Skilla]

There is no incentive to fight naked PKs. They don't die fast enough, and do not take enough damage. Most of the naked gank groups run 5 or more deep, and that leaves anyone in a smaller group the option of running away or run the risk of dying.

Naked people with starter weapons going out in groups and being able to even take out one person in a similar sized group shouldn't happen. These kids are naked, for fucks sake, and its not 'hardcore' if they risk nothing and can gain everything.

Fix the naked system, or remove starter weapons entirely. Make them have to risk something to go out an pk.


I agree 100 % all I see is a bunch of fucking naked fags running around afraid to risk a fucking cloth armor set! if your naked you should take 25% more damage.

[Theocid]

Maybe make it more realistic damage. If someone was naked fighting they would die from like 1-2 hits, a guy in chain would die in 6-8, in plate 16-18. But you still have to make it so it takes skill to win and not armor. But one guy in banded should no doubt about it be able to kill 4-5 naked guys of the same skill level.

[wolfblackclaw]

Maybe make it more realistic damage. If someone was naked fighting they would die from like 1-2 hits, a guy in chain would die in 6-8, in plate 16-18. But you still have to make it so it takes skill to win and not armor. But one guy in banded should no doubt about it be able to kill 4-5 naked guys of the same skill level.

No. With the numbers you are proposing, new players won't be able to even get into the game, as well as making the game comletely unbalanced, with the current low penalty to heavy armor you would end up with a game filled with people in plate armor cause that's the only thing that doesn't get you insta-killed, which in return would screw the economy and skill system over, on that note, I don't care what you say, if you stand there in plate armor, being slow moving, you might be able to handle more blows, but if 5 people are bashing you at the same time, you're gonna bleed and die.

[nielse18]

Go back and read the thread. Obviously you need a second run. It is a game, and we have chosen this game based on a specific play style. Something you clearly do not realize and have contradicted yourself in. Risk vs Reward.


I dont need to re-read the thread. I understand the risk vs reward issue that you guys are complaining about.

Dont think that everyone chose this game based on the same specific play style that you chose it for.

I chose it because it gives me the option to kill complaining carebear vaginas like yourself whenever I like. And if i get the option to do it while im naked.... Thats fucking awesome.

[Jungle345]

You got one of two realities to deal with in siege defense:
1. Either you are badass and fully geared and just don't get killed,
or
2. You died, and it's total chaos about the bank, not at all safe to gear up, and you are gunna get killed a dozen times more before it's over. So, after ya die, you fight siege defense naked.

Just face it, that's all I ask.

thats irrelevant, we are talking about gankers how start fights naked (risk nothing can gain everything) not proplr who die in sieges and come back naked because the bank is in chaos.

wtf noob, gtfo.

[Jungle345]

it gives me the option to kill complaining carebear vaginas like yourself whenever I like. And if i get the option to do it while im naked.... Thats fucking awesome.

i would like to add, lol @ this comment.

[Jungle345]

Maybe make it more realistic damage. If someone was naked fighting they would die from like 1-2 hits, a guy in chain would die in 6-8, in plate 16-18. But you still have to make it so it takes skill to win and not armor. But one guy in banded should no doubt about it be able to kill 4-5 naked guys of the same skill level.

but if they do that they will have to balance.

if melee can take a bunch of hits then magic will be more effective.

then magic is OP and it depends on who jumps the other person. ( will the warrior start off close or will the mage gank from afar and not let him in?)

and then of course your new or hybrid character will get btfof because he doesn't fall into a super category. happened in WoW and it can happen any where.

[Mercerism]

I agree 100 % all I see is a bunch of fucking naked fags running around afraid to risk a fucking cloth armor set! if your naked you should take 25% more damage.

Seriously, i think you should take 100% more damage if naked, why would someone who's naked be able to take almost as much as someone in scale or plate armor?

[swiftjbc]

nakeds are easy. stop fighting with shitty gear.

[inademv]

Seriously, i think you should take 100% more damage if naked, why would someone who's naked be able to take almost as much as someone in scale or plate armor?

Because they can't. Crafted scale armor (full suit) offers around 7 in all physical protections. Against a starter weapon and a person using it without the applicable mastery you will take around 9 damage at the max.

I am so fucking sick of you whinny bitches complaining because you're so afraid of naked players who are better than you killing you and taking your shit. Make some friends or just fucking leave. We don't need you here trying to ruin the freedom of this game.

[Kietharr]

And if you get zerged by 5 geared guys, what would be different?

They would risk something by losing, if you called guildies to help they would lose stuff. At the moment naked PKs are extemely annoying. I say make noob weapons into training weapons (wooden sword, sticks, ect) that do half damage in PvP and give real weapons an x2 damage bonus against completely naked enemies.

[Iversen]

Because they can't. Crafted scale armor (full suit) offers around 7 in all physical protections. Against a starter weapon and a person using it without the applicable mastery you will take around 9 damage at the max.

I am so fucking sick of you whinny bitches complaining because you're so afraid of naked players who are better than you killing you and taking your shit. Make some friends or just fucking leave. We don't need you here trying to ruin the freedom of this game.

Which freedom is being "ruined" ?
The "freedom" to be able to effectively play the game in easy/no-risk mode?

[HALOWEEN]

#1 a person unarmored can move faster and respond quicker than someone in armor..even padded armor. (ever wear armor IRL????)

#2 you would still be bitching if they were wearing cloth and had rank 10 weapons...

#3 YOU CAN NOT SWIM IN ARMOR... how about fixing that????
#4 You can not run as fast in armor as someone in cloth clothing... fix it...

#5 STFU and play :lmao:

[Eldalye]

Does anyone actually know the mechanics? Everyone writes about increasing the damage taken while fighting naked. Like isn't it already this way? You mean you take the same damage while naked and while using full armor?
What are you using armor for then?
Go around naked, you get ganked and don't loose anything.
:bang:

[garlor]

the "minimum" gear required to pose a decent fight should be items which takes 5-10 minutes to get, so people would loss something when they fight, something like naked = 0 defense, low quality material = 50 defense, high end material = 80 defense, and something similar for attack

[SSguy]

I dont have a problem with fighting nakeds... They take like 15-25 dmg a hit, and can barely do shit dmg with the newb weapons. Also if they decide to take food and pots with them they will just risk loosing it.... Nothing to whine about imo.

This is the biggest problem that most of you can't seem to understand.

5 nakid guys vs 1 geared guy = ALL LOSE for the geared guy.

Sure you won the fight...but you used potions, arrows, reagents, and lost durability on your gear....while the nakid guys lost nothing.

Its not about the skill involved, nor who wins the fight....its the sheer fact that its lose/lose vs win/nothing.

You lose all of it if you lose the fight, but you lose less if you win the fight
Nakid guys win all of it if they win the fight, but lose nothing if they lose the fight.

[DustStorm]

Stop trying to turn this game into wow.
You should be able to lose to a group of people who don't have armor if they outnumber you or out skill you. This is realistic a guy with a dagger is still a threat that what makes this game special.

I understand that those of you complaining are used to games where higher skill or items means you won. This is different in darkfall because the battle system is like that of a first person shooter game instead of a typical mmorpg game. In most fps shooter games a guy with one of the best guns could still die to a group of guys with nothing but daggers, or just one guy if he was clever.

This is what makes darkfall different and in my option better than most massive mutiplayer online roleplaying games. I also don't see why people expect to better because they are 'risking' more. Would you expect to be able to beat up a guy mugging you because you had more money in your wallet than the other guy?

Seriously if you have decent armor and you are in a group you should be able to fight a group of naked guys about as twice as big as your group.

Nerfing start weapons may sound like a good idea to some of you. That is till you are defending your clan city and you happen to die and your not even able to kill a guy with half his health and wearing nooby goblin armor.

[Shaoz]

A dagger to someone in a suit of armor with a weapon is ... auto death for that naked dagger guy

[krisalyde]

Stop trying to turn this game into wow.
You should be able to lose to a group of people who don't have armor if they outnumber you or out skill you. This is realistic a guy with a dagger is still a threat that what makes this game special.

I understand that those of you complaining are used to games where higher skill or items means you won. This is different in darkfall because the battle system is like that of a first person shooter game instead of a typical mmorpg game. In most fps shooter games a guy with one of the best guns could still die to a group of guys with nothing but daggers, or just one guy if he was clever.

This is what makes darkfall different and in my option better than most massive mutiplayer online roleplaying games. I also don't see why people expect to better because they are 'risking' more. Would you expect to be able to beat up a guy mugging you because you had more money in your wallet than the other guy?

Seriously if you have decent armor and you are in a group you should be able to fight a group of naked guys about as twice as big as your group.

Nerfing start weapons may sound like a good idea to some of you. That is till you are defending your clan city and you happen to die and your not even able to kill a guy with half his health and wearing nooby goblin armor.

wrong wrong wrong! its all about except about going to WoW !
If you played the game since some weeks and killed hard mob you would notice the problem. When you are killing hard mob in a group which is well stuffed (scale - plate), its not more rare to see a group of 5 to 10 naked people coming attacking your group. And what can you do ? nothing ! because you are just half sta, half mana, half HP and they are just as many as your group. And they kill you easily. And even if you can "win" (well if it happens, then the naked people really suck), they have just NOTHING to lose !! and this "nothing" is the problem.
So yes, killing naked people in 2 or 3 shoot would be a solution. if people want to pk, it should be also normal that they lose something if they die.

[Shaoz]

So yes, killing naked people in 2 or 3 shoot would be a solution. if people want to pk, it should be also normal that they lose something if they die.

I agree with this, you should lose something even if you are naked. There should be a vitae (in asheron's call it lowered your stats by 5% each death temporarily and stacked) or something like a further increased penalty to death.

[kazamx]

They already nerfed naked fighting a bit. All they need to do is nerf it again so that its pretty much pointless to fight naked.

[leykem]

There was always naked pkers in UO, I expect there to be in Darkfall. I think if you complain about naked groups, you really just need to find some friends.

[oggjy]

all the naked guys in the world cant stop a decent player on a mount mana missle is just too slow.

ergo doesnt bother people who actually run geared

[Doula Doom]

You know where you run into groups of naked people? Right by newbie towns. You know who else is naked? Harvesters. The amount of roaming naked PKers is minimal... they DO exist, but every roaming PK party I come across has at the very least some rudimentary gear, and more often then not they're fully equipped. My arrows do significantly less damage on an armoured opponent than they do on naked players, so in my opinion, if everyone wants to roam around naked I'm just fine with that.

If they make it so that you can kill a naked player in 2 or 3 hits, do you really think every 'hardcore l33t PK3r' is going to go anywhere other than the newbie goblin camps?

[SSguy]

Stop trying to turn this game into wow.
You should be able to lose to a group of people who don't have armor if they outnumber you or out skill you. This is realistic a guy with a dagger is still a threat that what makes this game special.


Soulbound weapons = wow

[Spunge]

I wish naked you were really weak but even some cloth armour made a big difference. Then at least ppl would wear armour, even if its the crappiest armour around, and it is easily obtainable. Then at least ppl will lose something.

Id also be interested in some sort of stat loss on death but most ppl are against that.
Dunno why, since they are supposed to be "hardcore". :confused:

[inademv]

Stop trying to turn this game into wow.
You should be able to lose to a group of people who don't have armor if they outnumber you or out skill you. This is realistic a guy with a dagger is still a threat that what makes this game special.


Stop trying to turn this game into wow. You should not get completely dominated by players who are not as good as you but happen to have better gear. As it stands now armor is players of the same skill level, one with armor and the other without, the one without will lose every time.

[Pyromaniac424]

if ur so tired of being killed by naked people then y not keep your good gear in the bank and run around with started weapons too? at least till they fix this problem. and if they dont, then bummer...

[inademv]

if ur so tired of being killed by naked people then y not keep your good gear in the bank and run around with started weapons too? at least till they fix this problem. and if they dont, then bummer...

It's not a problem. The answer is for people to get better at the game.

[SSguy]

It's not a problem. The answer is for people to get better at the game.


5 nakid guys vs 1 geared guy = ALL LOSE for the geared guy.

Sure you won the fight...but you used potions, arrows, reagents, and lost durability on your gear....while the nakid guys lost nothing.

Its not about the skill involved, nor who wins the fight....its the sheer fact that its lose/lose vs win/nothing.

Hate quoting myself, but since you can't be bothered to read the thread before you chime in your worthless 2 cents, this bears repeating.

Getting better has nothing to do with it, because no matter what you are losing and gaining nothing.

[navderek]

Enjoy running around naked. hahaha

I'll give you 10$ if you run around naked in real life weilding a dagger, preferably in a bank...:lmao:

[FrankFury]

They should make it so 1 stroke of a 2hand sword, axe , hammer drops a naked guy. And 2 strokes from a 1hand weapon or arrow. That would fix it.

[Darghan]

if you get killed by naked people you suck bad and should stop whining now!

[RavnosCC]

"Sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you."


qft

[davo420]

I dunno, man. Naked PvP is sort of a sick joke. I understand that this game pushes the fact that a poorly geared person, with some skill, can beat the shit out of a geared player. That is awesome, and in fact true to life. A knight of the round fucking table, with nothing but a longsword, would most likely beat the piss out of a peasant or a bum in a set of chainmail or even platemail for that matter. But the fact that they have nothing to lose is bullshit. I think that naked ppl should, yes, take ALOT more damage than someone with armor. But even if you all disagree with that, you can't possibly disagree with the fact that they should have some sort of consequence for dying, as the geared player CERTAINLY does. Maybe like if you are fighting with a starter weapon and no gear, and you die, you lose 1% of a certain prime skill, or something similar. This is just a rough idea, but some sort of penalty certainly does need to be given to ppl who die naked. It's not a matter of whether or not they can win the fight, but they need to have something to lose, just like the rest of us. Agreeable, correct?

[Gammabeam]

See if fighting naked is such an advantage over fighting in gear, why don't you go out and do the same superior tactics ?

If it is really superior and just not simply based on the fact that 5 people fight against you and would win anyway? geared or not ?

I guess that is the main gripe here. You're not able to beat 5 naked in your best gear. And this is how DF work young padawan.

In DF skill is more importend than gear. And most naked groups (i did that too i have to confess) got a solid rank 30 bow and 60 arrows with them.

However as long you come alone trying to gank them you'll never see that loot, just a barrage of arrows. And they'll wipe the floor with your ass.

Naked or not.

[NurfedRekuul]

I'm reasonably certain I could beat 99% of the people posting in this thread, while naked vs. whatever gear/consumables they choose to bring. Short of fighting someone mounted, unless the geared player gets the drop on the naked from range, naked has an excellent chance of winning.

[peertje]

anyone with a little gear can beat a naked person. stop whining

[Ardwan]

There is absolutely no way 5 naked people could kill one geared player. NONE. Because that geared player if hes worth a fucking shit going to have sta pots, food, and resin for stamina. Not to mention a mount or two.

5 nakeds pull staffs spam MM at the one person - all his gear is worth shit, and is infact a disadvantage at that point.

If he removes armour to retaliate - 5 nakeds drop him in melee.
If he engages one in melee, he still has 4 more MMing his back.

If he mounts up to attack - he can still only go for one person, all the while his mount is pounded by MM.

The only sensible option is mount up and run away. Because even if you can manage 2-3 naked people, why bother? You have nothing to gain, and everything to lose.

[Rigan Pere]

Longer res times if you die naked is the best option tbh. Make it like a bitch 10min timer, would also stop the lame naked rushes during seiges.

I know a 10min timer if i died would stop me going out naked.

[Zushakon]

I can, naked, easily take out most people even plate. It's pathetic.

[Vorat]

Starter weapons just do to much damage compared to high end items.

Starter weapons do too much damage? What are you smoking and where can I get some. :lmao: Do you even bother to check your own bs or do you just believe every drop of propaganda people tell you. Research your facts, come back and post and I will happily engage you in an intelligent discussion on this subject. Till then, this is the best I have for you.

Seriously though, the question of naked pk's during sieges has been raised. I know Mushashi was bad with a bokken but I don't think even he carried one to battle.

For x distance around a player city during a siege all starter weapons drop into your backpack and can not be rearmed till the siege is over. Done.

Man I love it when all WOW minded UBER PHAT LOOT gearheads cry like girls on the forums like this. Just makes my day. No more people owning all just because they love grinding out PVE content. Matter of fact that just makes them a larger more tempting target. Gotta love it. But Clan cities should be sacred ground. They are involved in a much larger section of the game. I have to agree on this point. They should not have to piss with suicidal zulus bashing themselves to death against their walls. I mean come on, at least leave a bucket, soap, and some water for the cleanup crew have some respect.

[armmiller]

I dunno, man. Naked PvP is sort of a sick joke. I understand that this game pushes the fact that a poorly geared person, with some skill, can beat the shit out of a geared player. That is awesome, and in fact true to life. A knight of the round fucking table, with nothing but a longsword, would most likely beat the piss out of a peasant or a bum in a set of chainmail or even platemail for that matter. But the fact that they have nothing to lose is bullshit. I think that naked ppl should, yes, take ALOT more damage than someone with armor. But even if you all disagree with that, you can't possibly disagree with the fact that they should have some sort of consequence for dying, as the geared player CERTAINLY does. Maybe like if you are fighting with a starter weapon and no gear, and you die, you lose 1% of a certain prime skill, or something similar. This is just a rough idea, but some sort of penalty certainly does need to be given to ppl who die naked. It's not a matter of whether or not they can win the fight, but they need to have something to lose, just like the rest of us. Agreeable, correct?

absoultely agree. no consequence pvp is ftl

[Alioth]

What sucks is when you spend a few hours traveling around Agon looking for PvP and the only people you run into are naked or damn near close. The solution is simple. Make dying something people avoid like the plague.

[bastard]

No need to have armor and good weapons. Just have your noob weapon. Bind close to target and keep comming back, killing and looting them.

Mana missile ftw.

[Tiggus]

As already stated, mana missile works just fine naked with the noob staff and most armor does not protect against it.

[Cyndric]

Highly skilled poorly equipped armies have taken on better equipped armies throughout history and have won. Just saying.

[[O]_Fawkes]

Starter weapons just do to much damage compared to high end items. Mostly you need to just learn how to play, and play in a group. Equipped group + skill vs naked group + skill equipped group will always win.

Agreed.

I don't really see the point in risking expensive weapons when I can use my starter sword that's still pretty good.

[Thyometha]

You know I love you all here at forumfall, but why are we only talking about changing combat mechanics to discourage naked fighting? If there were a skill drop included as part of the death penalty, people would be much more likely to stay geared. It doesn't have to be huge, just a penalty. At high levels a couple of points can be a pain in the ass.

[soadsam]

i remember before the game came out, people used to always talk about how good of an idea it was that 4 new characters could take at a vet, leaving a level playing field for everyone. i guess when the vets actually start getting their asses handed to them though, we end up with posts like this.

[catstyle]

Today I used my newbie weapon vs a guy in avarage armor and a rank 10 weapon..
I hit him twice as much times as he hit me.
He still had half hp when I died.

Equiping a rank 0 wep does about 3-5 more damage per hit compared to newbie weapon.. hmz :o

Naked zergs vs less people, well, thats a cordination/skill-factor that determinate the outcome.
Shure you might end up being killed by a naked dude even thou your skilled and have alot of gear, but hey, you cant always win ;o

But yah, I think they have nerfed naked fighting a bit more the last patch honestly. and the diff on weapon damage aswell.
Going naked alot as I do when I travel, now I can actually feel a huge difference in fights.

[Slavas]

Two options to fix alot of Darkfalls problems:

1 (hardcore option): Stat or skill loss on death.

2 (carebear option): Stacking revive sickness.

Perma death

[Manik78]

3 : Make newbie weapon dropable, and they can be bought for free only in capitals.

[bastard]

3 : Make newbie weapon dropable, and they can be bought for free only in capitals.

Or make them use 5x mana and stamina.

[cr0ss]

Simple fix for this. Make newbie weapons 50% as effective as a rank 0 weapon.

You kill a goblin for your very first kill. It drops a rank 0 weapon. Problem solved.

I would rather fight naked zergs where they need to equip shitty gear than having to kill them over and over with a moderate risk of dying (Mana missiles are ridiculous, but thats another thread) for zero gain.

[opalitic]

Starter weapons don't do shit. I was naked hitting a naked guy at about 8-9dmg with the starter weapon.. then i switched to an r10 weapon and started doing 14-15 dmg per hit..

that's 50% more damage output on r10 weapon..

Starter weapons do just fine damage if you have high strenght and high weapon skill.

I say tone down the starter weapon damage and buff the weapons past r0.

As it is now. Starter weapon in the hands of a player with high str and skill. Can take down geared players with low skills and str. Thats not what I was expecting of a game with "no levels" and whatnot.

To anyone in doubt: I got 46str 100gs 70mastery and starter wep hits steady 20 against armored players.

[Duffman42]

I haven't been able to play the game, but judging what I've read, it seems like this naked ganking thing is a problem. I hope it gets fixed by the time they open up sales 24/7. I'm not buying until then anyway.

[FastEddy]

You do know, that the problem is not so much with the damn meelee starter weapon. It is with the start staff. 15 damage a hit in AoE every two seconds. With the new mana regen, they basically cant run out of mana. It is highly, highly, highly, highly, highly, annoying. Basically if they are alfar, it becomes very very hard to hit them with bows while they are kiting you, if you are in armor good fucking luck casting it back at them, and if you have a polearm, you will just send them flying forward when you hit them in the air.

Mana Missile is easily the most powerful spell in the game right now. Being able to do 15 ranged damn consistently for a large amount of time while naked without risking a single damn thing. IS SUPER FUCKING ANNOYING.

I am not saying they ever kill me or anything, I am just saying, when I am in plate or something, I should not be fighting for my life versus a naked guy.

[raff01]

well there should really be a risk to take even when you are naked indeed.
I agree that nodrop newbie weapons should not exist, I remember in Everquest 1 (pre 2002) when you got PKed you respawned naked with NOTHING and being naked really made you worthless against any decently equiped dude.

[Marduk O-Akzar]

You can kill a naked pj in 5 hits, so naked people don't ruin the pvp, hacks ruin the pvp.

[Sep3]

Working as intended, crappy players should lose to the good ones regardless of gear. If someone kills you naked while you wear expensive stuff, well, you should maybe do something else about it rather than collecting more items..

[SnowMiser]

I figured someone would post the "bad" flame or the learn to play. Thanks though, I'm good. When I get zerged by 5 naked guys, its run or die. You couldn't do anything different.

The only 'bad' is you asshats who are ruining the game with no risk pvp. Go back to wow or war if you don't want to risk anything. Otherwise, gear up and come fight, instead of running around like frightened children (naked).

Gotta agree with this.
I pk naked with my newb weapon for just that reason. I'm almost as good as when im geared up, so why risk the gear...when you can take theirs.

Naked/newb weap/staff should be basically worthless.

Just my opinion.

[bastard]

Gotta agree with this.
I pk naked with my newb weapon for just that reason. I'm almost as good as when im geared up, so why risk the gear...when you can take theirs.

Naked/newb weap/staff should be basically worthless.

Just my opinion.

I started doing naked pvp also, after the last patch that fucked stamina and mana, everyone just sprints and casts mana missile naked now.

They should remove noob weapons after a player have played for 1 month or reached like 25 skill with that weapon/lesser magic.

[rosenrot]

Stat loss upon repeated death while naked, perhaps? Loss of invulnerability upon respawn, teleportation to a random bindstone within 10 km if you die 6 times in a couple minutes, etc.

There's a lot of ways to solve this without removing starter weapons. I predict exactly zero of them will be implemented any time soon.

Now if you'll excuse me, it's time to fight.....*banks gear and draws starter weapon*

[Aurian]

Anyone gets the skill Create newbie Weapon

For this you need trashwood and dirtstones

You need to collect 20 trashwood and 20 dirtstones

then you use your skill and make newbie weapon.

this takes in total 5 to 7 minutes

newbie weapons are lootable

[rosenrot]

Working as intended, crappy players should lose to the good ones regardless of gear. If someone kills you naked while you wear expensive stuff, well, you should maybe do something else about it rather than collecting more items..

Haha, yes, true...

Anyone gets the skill Create newbie Weapon

For this you need trashwood and dirtstones

You need to collect 20 trashwood and 20 dirtstones

then you use your skill and make newbie weapon.

this takes in total 5 to 7 minutes

newbie weapons are lootable

And you clearly played WoW.

[telanerv]

naked pvp? viable, BUT you hafta catch them low

die to a naked person? QUIT QQ learn to keep ur stam/health higher, learn to quit grinding mobs

why risk the gear if u can pvp naked? u clearly r noob, 2 people well geared can roll over 4-5 lesser geared depending on player skill/element of surprise
in a single battle.


why risk gear? b/c you can raid enemy lands and kill dozens of people instead of few.


if u dumb enough to grind mobs and let ur hp down to 10% u gonna die to naked dood ez especially when u don't even watch for them, regardless of ur precious full plate

*edit*
game is fine

[Gwizz]

This thread misses the point completely, I run solo and naked as do the majority of players I've come across if out on their own.

Usually, the only ppl I see mounted/wearing plate are those in a party grinding mobs or actively seeking pvp and ganking ppl less fortunate than themselves, purely because the numbers suit or they know they can win.

Many clans afk macro naked because they feel they are in a safe area but not safe enough to wear armour. If the devs were to change their stance on naked ppl then we should all be forced to equip armour and at all times, including those times when clan wars break out and a siege has begun.

Until this is implemented the ppl out soloing will continue to run naked.

[Valorborn]

All is fine, being able to get in to the fray of the fight from the get go has been a goal of DFO and its Devs since day one.

This is not a level based game, your Character Skill, gear and time in game is not a guarantee of Success, like a lvl 70 vs a lvl 10 in other games.

If your Advanced then you should know how to handle yourself with your Team.

And besides, it is not as if its not realistic either you know, in Real Life a nake guy with a knife is as Dangerous as one with Kevlar, and to eachother.

So...continue QQ if you wish, but that is the way it was meant to be and as it should be too, IMHO.

Sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you.



Lets talk real life coorilation here. You are right, a naked man could knife someone with a gun and wearing kevlar. So going with what you say, why can't I kick people in the face, or where's my hand to hand combat ability, hands are deadly weapons too. Also why can't I use one of my back packs as a weapon. I saw the borne trilogy i know what you can with a back pack in a fight....

And to learn the game equiped group VS naked group bullshit. Naked PKers ARE NOT LOOKING FOR A FAIR FIGHT. They are looking for the solo player they can gank. And going by what the above poster is thinking, if i hit your naked ass with my short sword you are fucking dead, i want your arm to fly off like something out of an evil dead flick and I want to laugh at you while I repel every attack with my shield....

This "game" needs some seriously balance issues, I hope they finish their paid beta soon.

[Vorat]

i remember before the game came out, people used to always talk about how good of an idea it was that 4 new characters could take at a vet, leaving a level playing field for everyone. i guess when the vets actually start getting their asses handed to them though, we end up with posts like this.

Snickers....
/agree

[daley7199]

There is no incentive to fight naked PKs. They don't die fast enough, and do not take enough damage. Most of the naked gank groups run 5 or more deep, and that leaves anyone in a smaller group the option of running away or run the risk of dying.

Naked people with starter weapons going out in groups and being able to even take out one person in a similar sized group shouldn't happen. These kids are naked, for fucks sake, and its not 'hardcore' if they risk nothing and can gain everything.

Fix the naked system, or remove starter weapons entirely. Make them have to risk something to go out an pk.

The only problem with Naked PVP is the damage being taken by the naked pvp'er. If you have no protection then weapon damage should be fairly large and of course filter down based upon armor class.

But, as far as you being taken out by naked zergers, well that's part of the game. Armor or not, you being struck by 4 or 5 swords will still do considerable damage and honestly you should be taken out by 5 guys regardless of what they are wearing.

You see these are all the downfalls of haveing a full loot game. Why should i risk losing my armor when i can round up my homies and gank you for yours.

This game has accomplished nothing more than to alienate the solo type player and the crafters.

This is the so called "HARD CORE" game you all cried for. Now that you have it, its not all its cracked up to be now is it.

[Gwizz]

To add further (too late to edit)

Skill stat gains are important, when I have over 350+ hps and 350+ sta aswell as 75+ mastery skill and 75+ str I would fully expect to beat a newcomer wearing full plate in a 1v1 whilst I remain naked and using a Rank 0 wep.

Whatever the changes ppl will always QQ.

[Bruce Leet]

/signed

[KTV]

OP is right.

Naked rushing should not be an option vs armored people.

Make naked noobs die in 2 hits from a decent weapons and remove starter weapons or make them ineffectivez agaisnt players.

Or add Vitae Penalty like in AC DT.

K

[Aquitis]

I agree with OP DF should discourage naked PK somehow.

[Aran]

To the guys complaining about getting owned -please winge and cry more, nothing is going to change so adapt or "Go back to WoW!!"

They have already made changes to naked versus armoured so naked takes more damage but that ain't enough for you,too bad!!!

The Devs have showen their hand and if you can not hack it then leave and make room for some one else who wants to play Darkfall.

Don't blame the game because you can not handle looseing to a bunch of naked guys that you could see comeing but in your arrogance you stayed and died then you run straight to the forums and cry and complain and demanding changes to the game!

How many of you have poured shit on others for trying to "carebear" the game in other threads and now you are trying to do the same!!!!!

[kingkongbanana]

Its verry easy to call ppl unskilled when they die due to naked fucks. Only problem is that some ppl can zerg a nearby town for hours and hours and eventually they will fucking get someone. Doesnt have anything to do with skills. Ten chimps could form a clan called the crusade and die 15 times each but maybe they will manage to get one semi geared dude and then thats win for them wich is fucking wierd imo.

Statsloss on death is the solution. You guys that are so skilled and hardcore wouldnt die to us geared noobs anyways so its not a problem for you. Makes the game even more exciting aswell.

[Tren]

If you risked a 5% stat/skill loss on death, I think people would gear up pretty quickly.

Everyone has too many skill points anyway, won't hurt the game if they lost a few. Think of it as adding a stat/skill drain, that way you have to be reall good to keep 100 skill in something.

[Shaoz]

naked pvp? viable, BUT you hafta catch them low

die to a naked person? QUIT QQ learn to keep ur stam/health higher, learn to quit grinding mobs

why risk the gear if u can pvp naked? u clearly r noob, 2 people well geared can roll over 4-5 lesser geared depending on player skill/element of surprise
in a single battle.


why risk gear? b/c you can raid enemy lands and kill dozens of people instead of few.


if u dumb enough to grind mobs and let ur hp down to 10% u gonna die to naked dood ez especially when u don't even watch for them, regardless of ur precious full plate

*edit*
game is fine

If the naked guy has 75 skill in his weapon and you don't you will get raped even if you have full health and armor (I'm talking banded-ish armor). You will be hitting him for the same amount he is hitting you.

[Kasmn]

Naked pvp is the most retarded carebear bullshit I have seen in any game, ever. If you like naked pvp, you are a baby wuss bitch.

[Lexxer]

Even just a 0.1 skill loss on death would take care alot of the stupid naked bs going on.

[OsanGar]

When they will get rid of starter weapon, you guys will start to bitch about naked PK with goblin weapons.

There will always be zergs taking low risk and owning your asses!

[Arophkyte]

It's just a matter of time before 100 mastery weaponskill wont buy these naked zergs anything because of the armor people are wearing, also realize that these naked zergs have at BEST 30 defense and maybe a few 100 rigor since they used the bug. So when it comes to it, naked zergs will be at an end , they wil have to wear armor to match the respectable players def/rigor + armor + real weapon.

[snaipperi]

Starter weapons just do to much damage compared to high end items. Mostly you need to just learn how to play, and play in a group. Equipped group + skill vs naked group + skill equipped group will always win.

If I hit you with a rusty dagger or a steel broadsword in this world, what's the big deal? You're gonna bleed to death anyway.

Really if this game goes to the same "gameplay balancing" statfuck as WoW, ack! Put some good old semipermadeath. Limiting the number of respawns is one good way of putting some fear on dying. Would it be one limit variable for the whole account, I'm sure very few would be wasting their precious hourly/3 hourly/6 hourly/daily respawns running naked on the killing fields.

Say 2 respawns per 3 hours account wide (including creation of new characters, sounds fair to me.

[SnowMiser]

And if you get zerged by 5 geared guys, what would be different?

He's got a point there.

[DarkDonkey]

When they will get rid of starter weapon, you guys will start to bitch about naked PK with goblin weapons.

There will always be zergs taking low risk and owning your asses!

Not at all. Removing newb weapons means that people will have to get acces to a bank before they can attack you over and over again. You can then defend your position by not allowing them to gain access to weapons thus disarming them.

Thats what this really is about.

People binding naked at chaosstones just to harras players that either gather, PvE, PvP(sieges) or just doing random stuff in hamlet/city is absurd.

You cant get rid of them and they will spend 24 hours 7 days a week harrasing you with their non dropable weapon and there is no way for you to disarm them. Quite a paradox for a game with full loot to have blessed weapons dont you think?

If you cant handle the idea of losing your last weapon because YOU didnt make sure you had a backup in the bank is your own problem.

In short: Noob weapons for those who likes WOW:rolleyes:

[GodsFear]

All is fine, being able to get in to the fray of the fight from the get go has been a goal of DFO and its Devs since day one.

This is not a level based game, your Character Skill, gear and time in game is not a guarantee of Success, like a lvl 70 vs a lvl 10 in other games.

If your Advanced then you should know how to handle yourself with your Team.

And besides, it is not as if its not realistic either you know, in Real Life a nake guy with a knife is as Dangerous as one with Kevlar, and to eachother.

So...continue QQ if you wish, but that is the way it was meant to be and as it should be too, IMHO.

Sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you.

So true

[Garluch]

I recall getting ganked at Monksfield 3 times by the same person when I was doing goblin starter quests. Now thats some messed up shit.

[CigarHero]

Lets talk real life coorilation here. You are right, a naked man could knife someone with a gun and wearing kevlar.

Yes, but A naked peasant with a two handed sword isn't going to 'take' a fully armored knight with a two handed sword. You know, mostly for the reason that armor is made up of metal and metal doesn't cut away as skin does.

Anyway, as the OP I consider this post over. They fixed the problem two patches ago and improved it more this patch.

[Pyro Kiddie]

imo add death penalty of some sort.

bored of naked rushes.

[stony23]

naked pk is awesome. i never lose stuff, but steal alot!

[smackyou]

Fix the naked system, or remove starter weapons entirely. Make them have to risk something to go out an pk.

whoo no starters wepons are facken shiting me, what would noob ppl who just started use? lol naab cake

[Brainfreeze]

Locked. OP request.