Dagger?

[Naelreiv]

Any successful dagger guys out there? Highend worth looking at?

[Nicholai Pestot]

Any successful dagger guys out there? Highend worth looking at?

Highend doens't change the problem with daggers, a tiny engagement range. It doesn't matter how effective daggers are when they hit...because they will so rarely hit.

[Temko Firewing]

the problems with daggers are two fold.

1 - they are 2 handed weapons, and thus can not be used from on top of a mount, nor in combination with a shield.

2 - their attack range is very small, smaller then even 1h weapons, and their damage is about equal to them/somewhat above it.
even with their "faster" knockback and power attack cooldowns it does not change the fact that you need t obe face-to-face with your opponent -which in pvp you nearly never are unless you successfully box someone in.

meaning that you nearly never HIT anything, and thus your special attacks with they faster cooldown are utterly useless.

if dagger did anything extra likea DoT or a bigger back-damage i think some people would pick them up as a secondary weapon or something. but currently i see no use in using daggers other then a RP reason... and i think most RP reasons will change in <24 hours if they use them :P

[kreen]

They are very much a situational weapon. They are fast, do good dmg but with very short range. If you manage to come up behind someone while they are gathering or standing at the bank for instance then you can strip off quite a bit of hp before they know whats going on that would give you an advantage. You would then switch to a better weapon with longer reach. If they are afk then you will kill them quickly which is never a bad thing.

They are also handy for pve if you have someone else tanking the mob.

I wouldn't use them as a main weapon though

[TheDor]

Also, Daggers don't parry as large of a % of damage as other 2H weapons.

[Ludial]

Also, Daggers don't parry as large of a % of damage as other 2H weapons.
heh, in M&B knives can't even parry.
Your only bid with them is to move REAL fast

[nazgo]

daggers sucks coz Tasos dont like Rogues (wow), I just hope we (dagger using players) can play pvp with daggers someday..

[shaystamang]

Daggers are pretty much worthless unless you use rend, since they do piercing damage. But even then, you pretty much have to be hugging the guy.

[Arcador]

A dude killed me with daggers, stucking me in a corner. I panicked and...died :D

[salaam]

Daggers should have some effect like pushback with polearms but the opposite. Then that would make it intresting.

[Atnas]

Daggers are the shittiest weapons in the whole game. Bad damage, short range, need to hit often (this is tough) to be effective.

They don't cost a lot of stamina to swing, but since you will miss so often they are still a stam drain.

[Froxer]

So, do they or do they not do good damage? (i am not in the game yet)

[DwellerBelow]

Talk to Keeper of Stars.

Dagger is said to do 1h sword level damage to the back, with a faster swing time. Short range, so being tall is bad, learn to crouch walk. Don't judge dagger untill you see what happens with maxed out sieze. Dagger is a backstab weapon, the way DF works, you need more than one melee style.

[Atnas]

So, do they or do they not do good damage? (i am not in the game yet)

Bad damage. In theory good DPS, but since it's very hard to stick on to someone constantly (both due to dodging and lag) they are not really worth it.

[Warnis]

Daggers should have some effect like pushback with polearms but the opposite. Then that would make it intresting.
Thats a brilliant idea!

[shansiro]

lol

what do you ppl mean "get daggers fixed"?

they were crap on other games..they fixed daggers first here in darkfall.

this is how knives daggers should work. i can only understand a "throwwing dagger" change...not range!

[Warnis]

lol

what do you ppl mean "get daggers fixed"?

they were crap on other games..they fixed daggers first here in darkfall.

this is how knives daggers should work. i can only understand a "throwwing dagger" change...not range!

Shoo you troll, theres no food for you here

[evolyze]

Daggers should have some effect like pushback with polearms but the opposite. Then that would make it intresting.

/signed.. like if each hit was a mini seize, otherwise seize needs to be powered up drastically.. I mean really who uses seize in PVP with daggers? You can't, It's impossible and at the point where you are trying to pull someone closer they are already outside of range and you are switching to a more viable weapon.

[Zushakon]

Daggers are pretty much worthless unless you use rend, since they do piercing damage. But even then, you pretty much have to be hugging the guy.

No. They're doing slashing damage last I checked.

And also all you faggots saying they got good "damage" if you just get up close... FFS STOP BEING SO FUCKING IGNORANT. The damage per second is LESS than that of a polearm. Yes that's right.

[Atnas]

No. They're doing slashing damage last I checked.

And also all you faggots saying they got good "damage" if you just get up close... FFS STOP BEING SO FUCKING IGNORANT. The damage per second is LESS than that of a polearm. Yes that's right.

Well, check again, because they do piercing damage. Simply go to the player stats window and hover your cursor over the piercing protection- it will say that polearms and daggers do piercing.

A bit silly, I know, since the animations are clearly slashing... but still.

[nazgo]

Atnas go away with ur roleplaying gamestyle (points-> Society Anvils), in real pvp daggers sucks no matter which dmg they do. Even with rend. PvP is running and hittng. if u wanna be good with daggers ur enemy must stand and let u hit. :ninja:

[Atnas]

Atnas go away with ur roleplaying gamestyle (points-> Society Anvils), in real pvp daggers sucks no matter which dmg they do. Even with rend. PvP is running and hittng. if u wanna be good with daggers ur enemy must stand and let u hit. :ninja:

That's exactly what I'm saying, read my posts :)

[Gratchek]

IF you have a ping under about 100 daggers aren't so bad :P you just have to practice your skills in keeping in close range of your target. The number of hits makes sword and board people's blocks useless and a good circle straffing can out damage some really jumpy polearm users.

Now there is alot of negatives to this respect. You have to get in close and stay close. This means level up herbalism and alchemy and load up with pots, level up fishing and load up on food. Get mana to stamina quick and be sure there is no opportunity for the other guy to get out of dagger range.

Hotbar all pots and everything. If you want to be stealthy just wear studded leather so you don't shine. If you want stronger armor get svirii (SP?) armor form mob drops. Its as good as....scale? I know its up there in DR and it has no shine at all.

I've practiced with my friends with daggers, 1h/shield and 2h in multiple scenarios and the winner in each is completely variable to the persons skill.

If a polearmer is trying to circle you with sprint, parry him and walk backwards always facing him until you see a good opportunity...don't rush. Get in close and then lay into him when you figure out his methodology of attack. If a 1h shield user is on you, your swings are so fast that his blocking will not help him because the stamina drop is constant.

I think daggers are viable but just more difficult to grow accustom to.

If you have a 200+ ping you might have issues against some players because your reach is so small though. This is up to you and how well you combat this.

[Zushakon]

IF you have a ping under about 100 daggers aren't so bad :P you just have to practice your skills in keeping in close range of your target. The number of hits makes sword and board people's blocks useless and a good circle straffing can out damage some really jumpy polearm users.

Now there is alot of negatives to this respect. You have to get in close and stay close. This means level up herbalism and alchemy and load up with pots, level up fishing and load up on food. Get mana to stamina quick and be sure there is no opportunity for the other guy to get out of dagger range.

Hotbar all pots and everything. If you want to be stealthy just wear studded leather so you don't shine. If you want stronger armor get svirii (SP?) armor form mob drops. Its as good as....scale? I know its up there in DR and it has no shine at all.

I've practiced with my friends with daggers, 1h/shield and 2h in multiple scenarios and the winner in each is completely variable to the persons skill.

If a polearmer is trying to circle you with sprint, parry him and walk backwards always facing him until you see a good opportunity...don't rush. Get in close and then lay into him when you figure out his methodology of attack. If a 1h shield user is on you, your swings are so fast that his blocking will not help him because the stamina drop is constant.

I think daggers are viable but just more difficult to grow accustom to.

If you have a 200+ ping you might have issues against some players because your reach is so small though. This is up to you and how well you combat this.


This is just how NOT to fight with daggers. If you stick to your opponent he can hit you just as easy as you hit him except that he will do more damage. The way with daggers is to make sure your ping is low and then exercise superior twitching skills by sprinting around like a rabbit on amphetamine.

[Gratchek]

I fail to see where I said get in close and stand still. If that's what you got from my post then maybe I should have put more detail into it :p

[Dakyn]

Enchanting may be the critial element with daggers.

Someone please correct me, but if a dagger set is enchanted with say "lightning" damage does the damage occur evey time you hit your target, or is it only a % chance?

If it's every time, daggers could potentially be quite badass in a face to face fight and especially in a surprise attack from behind.

[Mick]

There is one good reason to have daggers, and that's if you're a female Alfar using them to gank. That animation is priceless.

[Zushakon]

Can someone confirm if Daggers really do have less cooldown on the whirlwind and power attacks btw? If so I can see sprinting into hostile groups and "whirlwinding" being somewhat effective.

[Golbez01]

I think attacking very quickly with daggers vs. a shield user isn't going to yield any better results than any other weapon type hitting the shield user. You're going to lose extra stamina every time he blocks you. Or at least, that's how it's supposed to work out.

Supposedly a skilled shield user will end up with 70-80% of their stamina by raising their shield to block only when you swing, and you'll be out. If you swing constantly, forcing him to block constantly, you should run out before him. If that's not how it works then daggers are overpowered vs. shields obviously.

[Shumakiso]

daggers are working fine for me. I am mainly an archer but the 4sec knockback cooldown works well with my playstyle. and now that they are 50+ skill i can beat 2h users alot in duels full melee. I think most people just dont like em cause they are hard to learn and take a different strategy to use em. plus they are challenging to use. People dont seem to like anything challenging these days. Just easymode all the way ie, look at how many polearmers there are lol.

so to OP if you want to use daggers, use em. but stock up on rank 20+ because the starter dagger weapon is shit. the rank 20+ daggers really make the difference.

[ThuleMazule]

Daggers should have some effect like pushback with polearms but the opposite. Then that would make it intresting.

i think you can get a sieze move with all weapon types

[FunWithDrugs]

With an average ping of 180, polearm is the only viable weapon for me:P

[keeperofstars]

I use daggers exclusively, with few exceptions, mounted times, and when fully naked pvp defense at city or such, aka when I dont have any armor at all.

However if I have chain or better. I roll dagger, note I am also mage, and open with spells when at ranged.

stand and click fighting daggers have the highest dps in the game. But as you point out it is more about range and dancing around.

Daggers still are very viable.

there are a few techinics I use which work well.

If its a polearm, I typically judge the opponent, if he is just circling around like an idiot and such. I do drive by stabbings, works well.

do a quick lore aka let them swing and run past them while swinging as you pass them. You will connect and be out of range before they can swing again.

The other way is if the person is calm and collected. Lore a swing out of range from him, then run up slash him, hit block and block his follow up attack.

repeat.

If its even stevens armor wise, and you have a Rank20 perfreably 40 dagger with at least 25 skill, you can just work on standing toe to toe with the person and usually drop them if you focus on power strikes.

I am picking up water so I can go with melee slow which helps a ton as well. Hit the person with melee slow and then just wail on them.

You can also against a polearm user, if you have good ping. Block, attack, block. I don't recommend this till you get parry up higher though cause as pointed out the parry amount with daggers is only about 50% damage vs the 70% other weapons offer.

daggers work and work well, you just have to use a whole different playstyle than with other weapons.

Enchanted gear helps as well, things that grant quickness bonuses and such really help the daggers dps.
As does raising quickness stat.

[Kaijin]

i use dagger exclusive cause they skill your dex as well as str and archery is my focus at the moment.

[Tiguriusrex]

what is the name of the starting daggers?

nvrmind jade talons

[nazgo]

daggers are joke... but still I use them

[Drizzlin]

Where do you get some of the nice daggers? Drops or Merchants?

[Wulf]

both

[Thidias]

The 4 Second knowback in itself is a very good reason to level daggers, for archery or magic this is beautiful. Keep them at range, and when they do get close with low stam and health, knock em back again or lay in with the fast swings and straffing. Tougher strat. then some, but it sounds effective. Can't wait to try :D

[Thidias]

I use daggers exclusively, with few exceptions, mounted times, and when fully naked pvp defense at city or such, aka when I dont have any armor at all.

However if I have chain or better. I roll dagger, note I am also mage, and open with spells when at ranged.

stand and click fighting daggers have the highest dps in the game. But as you point out it is more about range and dancing around.

Daggers still are very viable.

there are a few techinics I use which work well.

If its a polearm, I typically judge the opponent, if he is just circling around like an idiot and such. I do drive by stabbings, works well.

do a quick lore aka let them swing and run past them while swinging as you pass them. You will connect and be out of range before they can swing again.

The other way is if the person is calm and collected. Lore a swing out of range from him, then run up slash him, hit block and block his follow up attack.

repeat.

If its even stevens armor wise, and you have a Rank20 perfreably 40 dagger with at least 25 skill, you can just work on standing toe to toe with the person and usually drop them if you focus on power strikes.

I am picking up water so I can go with melee slow which helps a ton as well. Hit the person with melee slow and then just wail on them.

You can also against a polearm user, if you have good ping. Block, attack, block. I don't recommend this till you get parry up higher though cause as pointed out the parry amount with daggers is only about 50% damage vs the 70% other weapons offer.

daggers work and work well, you just have to use a whole different playstyle than with other weapons.

Enchanted gear helps as well, things that grant quickness bonuses and such really help the daggers dps.
As does raising quickness stat.
These all sound like great tips for using a Dagger scheme, using Daggers with Archery or Magic seems like a very, very strong strategy, especially if you aren't alone in the situation. Traveling with a few buds, a ranged mainly player could focus on ranged and just knockback opponents when they get too close.

[freakd]

daggers sucks coz Tasos dont like Rogues (wow), I just hope we (dagger using players) can play pvp with daggers someday..

i hate rogues also, but assassins :D uhmm tasty :) tasos might want to change it if he looks it that way

[Arnfiarnunn]

Dagger >> 2h against small armors

2h > Dagger against heavy armors

The armor reduction is really important against daggers, it's the exact opposite of 2H.

My mate who use daggers love it to kill archers & mages but don't try to attack tanks.

[DwellerBelow]

Atnas go away with ur roleplaying gamestyle (points-> Society Anvils), in real pvp daggers sucks no matter which dmg they do. Even with rend. PvP is running and hittng. if u wanna be good with daggers ur enemy must stand and let u hit. :ninja:

You don't know jack.

[DwellerBelow]

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