Lagging in huge battles? Lowing settings might actually be hurting you.

[Alonjar]

The problem might be your *processor*. This is the problem I experienced. My video card renders the scenes just fine... but darkfall eats up mega processing when there are 100+ people around...

you can test this, by going into a busy battle, then looking straight down at the ground. See how your FPS are still really low? If it was your video card, you'd be getting good fps, cause there is nothing to render. But its not. Its because your processor is trying to keep track of too much shit going on around you.


Now here is the thing.. when you turn all your settings down, it actually puts more load on your processor.. cause your processor has to say "OK, this is how the scene is. Now, render it with these special settings", before it passes on the scene to your video card.

If your *processor* is fucking up your FPS, try returning the settings to default (or default, with shadows off) and see if it helps. My FPS actually *increased* quite a bit, since it shifted load off the CPU, and onto my video card.

Lowering 3d sounds helps too... once again, less load on the CPU.



Beyond that...

The game doesnt utilize multiple cores, so you're pretty much fucked. buy a super badass processor/mobo with very high FSB... or lag. I dont see the DF devs going any sort of optimization any time soon.

*I found this out, because I'm running a 9800 GTX+, which is bad ass, but my process is a Pentium D, 3.2 GHz.. which is two p4 cores on one die. But its only 533 mhz FSB... so darkfall chokes it.

[Jaaden]

Bah, I'm running the same CPU too.. Guess I know what to fix, that is, if I can ever get in lol.

But thanks, good info for people to have.

[sammy13]

Now here is the thing.. when you turn all your settings down, it actually puts more load on your processor.. cause your processor has to say "OK, this is how the scene is. Now, render it with these special settings", before it passes on the scene to your video card.

well even if settings are default the processor needs to tell the gfx card how to render it, so that wouldn't really be true.

and about the sound, mobos have integrated chipsets to take care of sound so it doesnt put load on the processor either IMO.

[Lutzen]

Pentium D?

WTF?

[Viluin]

Now here is the thing.. when you turn all your settings down, it actually puts more load on your processor.. cause your processor has to say "OK, this is how the scene is. Now, render it with these special settings", before it passes on the scene to your video card.

That's the biggest load of bullshit I've seen ever since I saw a bull take a dump during my holiday in Portugal. Lowering grapical settings will decrease the load on the GPU and some graphical settings will decrease the load on the CPU as well. Never will lowering a setting result in more load on the CPU, it's impossible. The only thing that can happen is that the bottleneck in your system shifts from the GPU to the CPU, but since the bottleneck is already at the CPU it doesn't matter.

FSB doesn't matter unless your particular CPU is hungry for more bandwidth. Most CPUs aren't, except for a few gimped Intel CPUs.

[Alonjar]

FSB doesn't matter unless your particular CPU is hungry for more bandwidth. Most CPUs aren't, except for a few gimped Intel CPUs.

You're dumb as fuck dude. The difference between 533 MHz FSB and 1333 MHz is the *speed* at which the data is passed through the system bus, *not* a measure of bandwidth. Bandwidth would be more like your L2 cache, sort of, which I didnt mention earlier, but is also one of the more important measurements of how quickly your processor will perform.


Anyhow... I was skeptical about hearing this at first too, but I noticed a significant FPS increase, regardless of whatever anyone else says. All I'm saying is, if your rig happens to be doing the same thing mine is, its worth a shot. You've got nothing to lose by trying it, and FPS to gain. Quit being uninformed haters.

[Viluin]

You're dumb as fuck dude. The difference between 533 MHz FSB and 1333 MHz is the *speed* at which the data is passed through the system bus, *not* a measure of bandwidth.

The speed at which data is passed through the system bus = bandwidth. That's pretty much the fucking definition of the word bandwidth. :lmao: Thank you for making me laugh this hard!

[Tadian]

The game doesnt utilize multiple cores, so you're pretty much fucked.
My Core 2 Duo is working fine, both cores are used for DF.

[loginserverdown]

if people would quit insisting on using on-board sound, you'd have less lag from 3d sound. All on board sound does is stress things down even more. People figured this out with on board video, i dont know why the connection is hard to make.

[Viluin]

if people would quit insisting on using on-board sound, you'd have less lag from 3d sound. All on board sound does is stress things down even more. People figured this out with on board video, i dont know why the connection is hard to make.

Sshh, don't give away my secret! Gotta love my X-Fi card. I've never had any CPU related framedrops. The largest battle I've witnessed only consisted of around 50 players though.

Onboard video is different though. Onboard video is still a separate GPU. Onboard sound is a sound chip that has no processing power, it uses your CPU (hint hint).

[loginserverdown]

Sshh, don't give away my secret! Gotta love my X-Fi card. I've never had any CPU related framedrops.

lol, i run an x-fi as well. that's ok, technical morons will still be convinced that on board sound is awesome because it saves them a card slot.


Onboard video is different though. Onboard video is still a separate GPU. Onboard sound is a sound chip that has no processing power, it uses your CPU (hint hint).



and i more mean it as this. why do people think on board sound is awesome when EVERY OTHER on board type hookup is known to cause more lag. why the hell would people think sound would be immune, especially since it uses the CPU for processing.

[Scottc1988]

Lowering the settings would decrease the amount of information thats being passed from the CPU to the GPU via the FSB which would increase your framerate, you make no sense op.

[Jacques]

What do we have here? Another Murder Herd member bitching about how we owned them yesterday because of "lag", go cry more here:

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=165830

[zmyth770]

Im running a saphire 4870x2 GPU

And a PHII x3 (2.8Ghz Stock, O/c'd to 3.7Ghz)

FSB - 2600MHz

Get owned Lagg?

[Joshua10913]

What do we have here? Another Murder Herd member bitching about how we owned them yesterday because of "lag", go cry more here:

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=165830

I clicked the link and read some murderherd posts and they were friendly, saying yea good fight best fun i had in game etc...The only thing i see is you and your guild acting like a child instigating stuff.

[zmyth770]

I see no no1 even mentioning the battle...and clicked the link and read some murderherd posts and they were friendly, saying yea good fight best fun i had in game etc...The only thing i see is you acting like a child instigating stuff.

i 100% agree with this post, Nice to see murderheard are alot more Mature Than People think they are, keep up the fun Stuff MH.

[Gem]

The problem might be your *processor*. This is the problem I experienced. My video card renders the scenes just fine... but darkfall eats up mega processing when there are 100+ people around...

you can test this, by going into a busy battle, then looking straight down at the ground. See how your FPS are still really low? If it was your video card, you'd be getting good fps, cause there is nothing to render. But its not. Its because your processor is trying to keep track of too much shit going on around you.


Now here is the thing.. when you turn all your settings down, it actually puts more load on your processor.. cause your processor has to say "OK, this is how the scene is. Now, render it with these special settings", before it passes on the scene to your video card.

If your *processor* is fucking up your FPS, try returning the settings to default (or default, with shadows off) and see if it helps. My FPS actually *increased* quite a bit, since it shifted load off the CPU, and onto my video card.

Lowering 3d sounds helps too... once again, less load on the CPU.



Beyond that...

The game doesnt utilize multiple cores, so you're pretty much fucked. buy a super badass processor/mobo with very high FSB... or lag. I dont see the DF devs going any sort of optimization any time soon.

*I found this out, because I'm running a 9800 GTX+, which is bad ass, but my process is a Pentium D, 3.2 GHz.. which is two p4 cores on one die. But its only 533 mhz FSB... so darkfall chokes it.

You don't know much about computers do you?

[myrath]

I hear that lowering the number of sounds to 8 in large battles effectively kills the lag.

[Oak]

I tried lowering everything in the LoD raid but I couldn't get any joy.

Asus Striker Extreme mobo (NF 680i)
Core Quad Q6600 CPU (Currently running stock @ 2.5)
2GB Corsair Dominator PC8500
Nvidia 8800GTX 768MB
Creative X-Fi PCI-E

In the raid, I checked the process monitor and DF was only using one core (Core 3) even though the affinity was set to all cores.

Halfway thru the raid, I rebooted and tried OCing my machine to 3Ghz. I used the damned Asus AI boost thing on the mobo for an automatic 20% OC but it didn't seem to do diddly and now my machine is getting hardware failures every now and then even though I reset it back.

So the upshot is I am reluctant to do a manual overclock until it starts behaving itself.