Killed by 5 players while crafting

[Chance]

So last night I spent a good 45 minutes gathering Ore at various Metal Rock spawns outside of Sandbrook. Since the nodes have been changed it has been a bit harder to mine ore and took a while longer but I made due..I head back to town when I figure I have enough to make 200 or so arrows. I made my ingots, then made my lumber and start making my arrows.

After a few moments I notice a fellow running in between me and the bowyer table interrupting my work. At one point he stands still and hits me! I turn to run and 4 other people are whacking me. I can't run and am completely blocked by this mob of idiots....I tried jumping to no avail and die...
I ended up losing my saw, ingots, wood, ore, tongs, woodworking knife and 100+ arrows.
Flame me all you want, but I think that is not right.

How was I to know a mob of jerks was standing at my back? How the heck is justice served here? Obviously it was coordinated. The towers did fire and kill at leaast one, but the group made out with what they wanted...Hours worth of work I put in and because I can't simply mouselook over my sholder, I pay a hefty price. Has this happened to anyone else?

[MoerTa]

You've been following the game for 7 years, and you didn't expect this to happend?

[G.Struepp]

indeed, as bugged and beta-ish darkfall currently is...this was perfectly in the idea of darkfall.

Hours worth of work I put in and because I can't simply mouselook over my sholder, I pay a hefty price. Has this happened to anyone else?
should have dropped the ore in a bank, and don't blame the game, blame yourself


And of course, i guess it has happend to most players that they at least once lost valuable stuff. Game is harsh on mistakes. I once farmed for a really long time and before i banked i run around in the wilderness playing around with taunts etc. Didn't watch stam nor my surroundings = got killed looted and thats it..

[clockwork23]

Sorry to hear about your loss, but this is old news; people have been pulling this stunt since beta. Always be aware of your surroundings when crafting (you can turn around, you don't need to face the crafting apparatus) and craft in small to medium batches.

I always smelt on top of the smelter, or use the workbench from a roof, etc. Never stand where you can be boxed in.

[Tzacharu]

That sucks.

Oh yea, welcome to Darkfall.

[FASLAYER]

Don't panic! :ohno: Hit the V key! :lmao:

[Frisbo]

We need to get crafters to band together. It's ridiculous that so many people share the same interests but ignore their fellow crafters getting ganked right before their eyes. It should be the norm that harvesters and crafters defend each other.

[clockwork23]

We need to get crafters to band together. It's ridiculous that so many people share the same interests but ignore their fellow crafters getting ganked right before their eyes. It should be the norm that harvesters and crafters defend each other.

It's not like there is a small group of crafters, I'd say the majority of people in this game do some sort of crafting/harvesting.

[Ngangatar]

Hours worth of work I put in and because I can't simply mouselook over my sholder, I pay a hefty price. Has this happened to anyone else?

Thats BS.

You can simply turn around when you opened the craft window, never leave your back to the town squares etc.

[Lictor]

You still don't have the immortality spell? Noob!

[Tusamie]

Don't panic! :ohno: Hit the V key! :lmao:

Well a good group can still gank you at a stall if they do it correctly... Since you have to be first person to use it have half the gankers on the backside then rush the front side attackers to block and bingo free kill... I have semi mastered the blue town gank maneuver... What a shame I havent caught you yet... :sly:

[Falesh]

Be careful of your location at the crafting stations and always have a shield ready to block enemy attacks until the towers kill them.

[Orendel]

Find a guild and craft in their city - that's - sad as it is - the only halfway safe spot for crafting in this game...

A tower does not guarentee you safety, it just gives you a false feeling of safety...

[fatgit]

If there's one thing you always have to remember in Darkfall it is : YOU are the best loot dropping mob in the game.
That means that wherever you are, the bank, the forge, or running in the middle of nowhere, you have to be aware of your surroundings, what is happening around you etc.

As a crafter, I never take everything to the crafting station, even in an alliance city. It just isn't worth the risk - unless you have a few heavily armed clan mates to act as bodyguards.

Naked crafting station and bank attacks like this have been happening since beta, and crafters are generally easy targets - most craft naked.

It sucks you lost the stuff, but you also learned a valuable lesson that might just save you losing more valuable items in the future.
Darkfall was designed to be like this, where there are no safe spots. There are consequences for ganking people in town, OK they might need tweaking at the moment, but they do exist, and players have to get their heads around this way of play :)

[Rhynn]

Thats BS.

You can simply turn around when you opened the craft window, never leave your back to the town squares etc.

This. What are you doing staring down at the workbench anyway. Look at it, hit F...then you're free to turn around and watch the crowd the entire time.

[madhawk]

Thats what darkfall is about, there is NO SAFEZONES, just cause theres guard towers doesnt mean you cant be killed

[Slaker]

Obviously you don't know how to craft, you should never turn your back to everyone else and face the workbench. You can scout around while crafting.

Please cry more.

[shansiro]

Don't panic! :ohno: Hit the V key! :lmao:

this

or knockback 1 of them instead of getting a funny panic face accepting you will die.

let them fail :D

[katahlyn]

So last night I spent a good 45 minutes gathering Ore at various Metal Rock spawns outside of Sandbrook. Since the nodes have been changed it has been a bit harder to mine ore and took a while longer but I made due..I head back to town when I figure I have enough to make 200 or so arrows. I made my ingots, then made my lumber and start making my arrows.

After a few moments I notice a fellow running in between me and the bowyer table interrupting my work. At one point he stands still and hits me! I turn to run and 4 other people are whacking me. I can't run and am completely blocked by this mob of idiots....I tried jumping to no avail and die...
I ended up losing my saw, ingots, wood, ore, tongs, woodworking knife and 100+ arrows.
Flame me all you want, but I think that is not right.

How was I to know a mob of jerks was standing at my back? How the heck is justice served here? Obviously it was coordinated. The towers did fire and kill at leaast one, but the group made out with what they wanted...Hours worth of work I put in and because I can't simply mouselook over my sholder, I pay a hefty price. Has this happened to anyone else?

Awesome! I wish I was there to loot you. :D

[Aviyur]

So last night I spent a good 45 minutes gathering Ore at various Metal Rock spawns outside of Sandbrook. Since the nodes have been changed it has been a bit harder to mine ore and took a while longer but I made due..I head back to town when I figure I have enough to make 200 or so arrows. I made my ingots, then made my lumber and start making my arrows.

After a few moments I notice a fellow running in between me and the bowyer table interrupting my work. At one point he stands still and hits me! I turn to run and 4 other people are whacking me. I can't run and am completely blocked by this mob of idiots....I tried jumping to no avail and die...
I ended up losing my saw, ingots, wood, ore, tongs, woodworking knife and 100+ arrows.
Flame me all you want, but I think that is not right.

How was I to know a mob of jerks was standing at my back? How the heck is justice served here? Obviously it was coordinated. The towers did fire and kill at leaast one, but the group made out with what they wanted...Hours worth of work I put in and because I can't simply mouselook over my sholder, I pay a hefty price. Has this happened to anyone else?

Tbh, stay the hell away from Sandbrook. I wouldn't even try to sell anything at all in the human areas.

[rwp80]

Serves you right for carrying all that stuff at once.

Why the fuck did you craft with your back facing the town square? You can use merchants and crafting tables from behind, you know.

[Thorgouge]

It's called only keep a small amount of shit in your bags while you craft. Make frequent trips to your bank to deposit the items you made and grab a few more ingots/wood. You deserved to lose everything you dumb shit.

[belfadeath]

look @ my video about that !!!!

------->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw_Ws2J6i9U

6 ass holes who usually kill all inside a starter city.
NICE SYSTEM AVENTURINE !!

[Azzerhoden]

The other points I would add:

1) Back up to the station so no one can get behind you.

2) Get you parry skill up. If attacked, switch to a weapon, and parry. They will die to the tower before you take much damage.

3) Wear armor, reduces the damage you do take.

4) Have some potions available.

Last night while mining near a town, I had some folks block me in and looked like they were going to attack me. I stopped them by facing them and getting ready to parry. They knew they would lose then, and left me alone.

[rsch20]

haha awesome, this thread is full of win.

and despite the poster above me's obvious sarcasm I totally agree with him, great system aventurine!

[M0rBiD]

Lol you got pwnt bitch!

[pilt]

Love workbench/smithy/smelter people. My best loot is 400 iron ore and 50 iron ingots.

[Harto]

For all the "This is how Darkfall is supposed to be" whiners, stop QQ for easier PKs. That is exactly what you are doing. The only people defending killing at crafting stations are those who lack the skills to PK in the wilds. You have to jump someone who is distracted and you have to bring 4 friends to do it. That's not a skill based game, that's chickensh*t. The NPC cities should have law and order. If you hit a player, and that player dies before they leave the city you should go red for 24 hours.

[altfall]

there was a group of players from Your Loot My Bag doing this in sanguine too last night :(

[belfadeath]

If you hit a player, and that player dies before they leave the city you should go red for 24 hours.

RIGHT !!!! its so easy !

[Cirucci Espada]

So last night I spent a good 45 minutes gathering Ore at various Metal Rock spawns outside of Sandbrook. Since the nodes have been changed it has been a bit harder to mine ore and took a while longer but I made due..I head back to town when I figure I have enough to make 200 or so arrows. I made my ingots, then made my lumber and start making my arrows.

After a few moments I notice a fellow running in between me and the bowyer table interrupting my work. At one point he stands still and hits me! I turn to run and 4 other people are whacking me. I can't run and am completely blocked by this mob of idiots....I tried jumping to no avail and die...
I ended up losing my saw, ingots, wood, ore, tongs, woodworking knife and 100+ arrows.
Flame me all you want, but I think that is not right.

How was I to know a mob of jerks was standing at my back? How the heck is justice served here? Obviously it was coordinated. The towers did fire and kill at leaast one, but the group made out with what they wanted...Hours worth of work I put in and because I can't simply mouselook over my sholder, I pay a hefty price. Has this happened to anyone else?


hardcore PVP +full+loot= 5 vs1

Full-loot kill UO

[Chronomancer]

This has never happened to me because I'm aware of my surroundings even when crafting. You can circumvent it.

Still I also have to say: People who brag about killing a crafters are just lame. It requires no skill whatsoever, all you need are a few friends who are just as gimp as yourself. Same goes for the naked PvPing.
All those people have no balls whatsoever. Hardcore? More like the most carebearish things I have seen in quite a while. Run to your mommies you could lose loot.

I want to see STRONG law enforcement in towns, not lame ass laser towers.
I want to see heavily armed NPC guards who go after anyone who tries to do shit and who keep hitting them even if they turn blue, unless they completely run out of town. Make the kill and loot while 5 guards pwn your ass. THAT is hardcore if you can pull it off.

[onek]

Most of the responders to this seem to think there was something that the OP could have done to prevent this. But there is not. Most of the suggestions do very little - if anything to prevent this situation:

Watching around you doesn't prevent the situation - the attackers just wait until you start crafting and then run up. If they are a clever group, no matter what way you face, they can also sneak up behind you or on the other side of a building. In fact, if you stand with your back to a wall, you're easier to box in!
It doesn't help to try to have defenders, or to group up, etc. because the attackers bring a few extra players who don't attack, just box you in and loot. If the defenders try to drive off the looters, they are killed by the towers. Even if you plan to use friendly players to try to loot to recover the loss, they are usually out of position, and the crafter loses most of his loot.
Similarly, other friendly players (or crafters) CANNOT come to the aid of the person getting attacked, and should not be faulted for failing to help - the towers will kill the attackers, and it's the looters who don't attack that are the problem. Again, if somebody tries to help and attacks the looters, they too are killed by the towers.
Doing the crafting in small lots only serves to diminish the loss, and is very frustrating to the crafter (the banks are rarely close). It does not prevent the event. Anybody who's played MMOs much must agree that this practice will continue - players will continue to do this simply because they can, even if there is no profit for them. Griefers find amusement from griefing.

What the OP is pointing out is that there is a weakness in the game system, WHICH THERE IS. Rather than simply accept the game system as rigid, we should consider possible alternatives, and if something makes sense, suggest it to AV.

One idea is that perhaps looters should go "grey" for a short duration, if they try to loot (other than their own corpse) in town. This would allow group members or other players to come to the aid of a crafter, or anybody else who is attacked.

Maybe it's not the perfect solution. But perhaps the suggestion will cause someone else to think of a better solution, or to modify the idea. I encourage readers to please post their ideas as well - I'm sure somebody out there has a better solution. Let's discuss the problem, not focus on insulting the OP!

[Aviyur]

Any merchant worth his salt would be walking around with their back to the wall most of the time in full plate with a big fuck off shield anyway.

[Chance]

Thats BS.

You can simply turn around when you opened the craft window, never leave your back to the town squares etc.

I'm in first-person view when crafting. It takes a coordinated group seconds to pull off a boxing-in manuever. I've gone back to the same Bowyer crafting station and I don't see a solution to avoiding this situation in Sandbrook. It's relatively far away from the bank station and the last workstation before reaching the waterfront. If a group wants to pull this manuever off again in Sandbrook, there is little that can be done to avoid it. Of course I can mitigate the loss by crafting smaller bunches of arrows. I will do so.

[Snowed]

I call that strategy. To resolve this.. War his guild and kill them in town when you want.

[rootedoak]

It doesn't matter if the game is "hardcore" if they're going to bother putting Guard Towers in Cities at all, they ought to actually guard things.

Five Naked PKs going for people inside guarded cities is not a proper game mechanic. Either nakeds should not do enough damage to kill another player who is geared, or else they should be 1-hit-killed. Unless you just decide to take away the Guard Towers, that would be the only logical directions to go.

Then again, if Guard Towers exist, logically, you might as well just make the entire city area a "Safezone" (zomg). It only makes sense, why should you be allowed to hit other players in the city if you're supposed to die to a Guard Tower.

[samuraivelez]

The fact that this can happen is our only assurance that Darkfall does not truly have any safezones. And safezones are bad, remember?

[Muzzy]

------->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw_Ws2J6i9U
Looks like some hardcore players to me :)

[Mortiferus]

So last night I spent a good 45 minutes gathering Ore at various Metal Rock spawns outside of Sandbrook. Since the nodes have been changed it has been a bit harder to mine ore and took a while longer but I made due..I head back to town when I figure I have enough to make 200 or so arrows. I made my ingots, then made my lumber and start making my arrows.

After a few moments I notice a fellow running in between me and the bowyer table interrupting my work. At one point he stands still and hits me! I turn to run and 4 other people are whacking me. I can't run and am completely blocked by this mob of idiots....I tried jumping to no avail and die...
I ended up losing my saw, ingots, wood, ore, tongs, woodworking knife and 100+ arrows.
Flame me all you want, but I think that is not right.

How was I to know a mob of jerks was standing at my back? How the heck is justice served here? Obviously it was coordinated. The towers did fire and kill at leaast one, but the group made out with what they wanted...Hours worth of work I put in and because I can't simply mouselook over my sholder, I pay a hefty price. Has this happened to anyone else?


...and you being the tough guy was like 'this little griefer can't stop me' and kept crafting with all your crap. You deserved the gank you received.

[XxDelusionxX]

While you are crafting you can right click your mouse and go back into first person mode after closing your window. You can freely spin around and not stop your crafting. If you see more than one person heading towards you I suggest you head to the bank right away.

[shaggymane]

dood, this game couldnt get any easier than this. You cry cause you got ganked in a city while crafting?? ZOMG WTF . Darkfall is easymode PVP MMO.

Try playing a game where you lose everything when you die.

anyone remember Everquest? anyone remember the 1 month of Discord Server?

THAT my friends is HARD CORE.

crying about losing a couple items to a PVgank squad, you should be ashamed

[belfadeath]

the problem is:
Why a PK players remain BLUE after he have killed a racial allied???
If you kill a player of your race alliance, you must go RED !
and not that you turn blue after you have respawned at bindstone after you have been killed by city towers.

All this assholes turn BLUE in all city and they kill all the city..... its normal? its a good allignment system?

i dont think so.

[shaggymane]

why does it matter what colour you turn when you kill someone????

if I got flagged a killer I would give all my good loot to a friend , then reroll my toon and BOOM here I come again.

get over it, this is a pvp game.

do you cry when you get killed in Quake or Doom or Teamfortess?????

[Morog]

Keep a shield with you, and check behind you while crafting. If you get attacked, hold parry and watch them fry.

[tejón]

Keep a shield with you, and check behind you while crafting. If you get attacked, hold parry and watch them fry.
This. Or, to put it more briefly: L2P.

I'm an unguilded crafter, BTW.

[Tanaarth]

look @ my video about that !!!!

------->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw_Ws2J6i9U

6 ass holes who usually kill all inside a starter city.
NICE SYSTEM AVENTURINE !!
MUM MUM I AM ON TV !!! COME HAVE A LOOK !!

You can see the video here too

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8qm8c_viandardsdfolol_videogames

With the explication for our act on this guy (in french sorry ) ,you have a extract of our human door at the end of the video , we closed Sanguine for 10minutes

Don't forget onething , ours action need to be do with a miticulous cooperation , someone come late and we fail , it take us some times to perfect ours techniques .

We hope a day , towers disapear in town <3

[Lajt]

Hahaha that was probably me and some friends =) <3 boxing

[Hellsink]

why does it matter what colour you turn when you kill someone????

if I got flagged a killer I would give all my good loot to a friend , then reroll my toon and BOOM here I come again.

get over it, this is a pvp game.

do you cry when you get killed in Quake or Doom or Teamfortess?????

Are you serious? :confused::(

[Aleanath]

why cant people understand that solo crafters in this game are going to have a hard time?

firstly - you should only EVER be carrying small amounts on you - if you look at your bag and think "will i be pissed off if i loose this?" and teh answer is yes then for god sake dont carry that much.

Craft little bits at a time and join a guild and get a mate to watch your back.

Its also a good idea to make sure you know the layout of the town your working in - the most direct route to teh bank, alternative route, twisty turney areas where you can loose people etc etc

[dramin]

Im two sided on this issue, 1 i say props to the gankers its a good strat, but on the other side i say WTF is up with alignment, I think EVERYONE hitting you should get a faction hit not just the one with the kill shot, I think faction hit should be -50 not a measley -12. I can stand at a chaos stone and rez kill enemy races and get 100 alignment in 30 minutes and get 8 free kills. This system is bullshit and needs to get fixed.

[TheDor]

I think a helpful solution to this would be fixing the newbie weapons.

If the newbie weapons weren't as effective as they are it would actually take an investment on the part of the suicide gankers to pull this off. That whole risk vs reward thing.

[pookums]

Most of the responders to this seem to think there was something that the OP could have done to prevent this. But there is not. Most of the suggestions do very little - if anything to prevent this situation:

Watching around you doesn't prevent the situation - the attackers just wait until you start crafting and then run up. If they are a clever group, no matter what way you face, they can also sneak up behind you or on the other side of a building. In fact, if you stand with your back to a wall, you're easier to box in!
It doesn't help to try to have defenders, or to group up, etc. because the attackers bring a few extra players who don't attack, just box you in and loot. If the defenders try to drive off the looters, they are killed by the towers. Even if you plan to use friendly players to try to loot to recover the loss, they are usually out of position, and the crafter loses most of his loot.
Similarly, other friendly players (or crafters) CANNOT come to the aid of the person getting attacked, and should not be faulted for failing to help - the towers will kill the attackers, and it's the looters who don't attack that are the problem. Again, if somebody tries to help and attacks the looters, they too are killed by the towers.
Doing the crafting in small lots only serves to diminish the loss, and is very frustrating to the crafter (the banks are rarely close). It does not prevent the event. Anybody who's played MMOs much must agree that this practice will continue - players will continue to do this simply because they can, even if there is no profit for them. Griefers find amusement from griefing.

What the OP is pointing out is that there is a weakness in the game system, WHICH THERE IS. Rather than simply accept the game system as rigid, we should consider possible alternatives, and if something makes sense, suggest it to AV.

One idea is that perhaps looters should go "grey" for a short duration, if they try to loot (other than their own corpse) in town. This would allow group members or other players to come to the aid of a crafter, or anybody else who is attacked.

Maybe it's not the perfect solution. But perhaps the suggestion will cause someone else to think of a better solution, or to modify the idea. I encourage readers to please post their ideas as well - I'm sure somebody out there has a better solution. Let's discuss the problem, not focus on insulting the OP!

Before I quit this game, if I saw a bunch of naked people trying to hammer someone, I used to hover nearby to pick up the best of the loot that I could and hand it back to the person who got killed. Goody-two-shoes, perhaps, but some decent people did the same for me too.

If you have people going grey for looting a player corpse, you remove the option for players to show some decency.

[k2187]

Havent Gotton my copy of this game yet...but its the same thing with old UO..all these people that whined about theives and pker never once took the time to figure it out how to avoid/defend yourself against these things...i never had a problem with any of the pitfalls of old UO because i knew how to defend/avoid from these thing adapt to the game....please dont expect the game adapt to you

[Trik]

In Old UO the guards were insta-kill with my trusty guards guards guards bind. No crafter suffered this fate. Also, this is a stupid game mechanic, they all deserve to be perma red. Anyone who plays the PK should be perma red no ability to regain neutral alignment EXCEPT time. The negative alignment should wear off over time, and thats it. I am also talking a considerable amount of time.

[Thuramien]

call me a flamer if you will but seriously crying over 200 arrows i carry that much around all the time so if i get killed thats what im gonna lose. and to craft that you need 25 iron and 25 wood. when you have been farming for hours and they loot you for several hundred iron or wood then come crying.

[Chance]

call me a flamer if you will but seriously crying over 200 arrows i carry that much around all the time so if i get killed thats what im gonna lose. and to craft that you need 25 iron and 25 wood. when you have been farming for hours and they loot you for several hundred iron or wood then come crying.

Have you tried mining lately? Takes a while to find a good node...
Also- I lost considerably more than just 200 arrows.
At any rate I expected to be flamed so no big deal there. Admittedly I didn't think about standing on top of the crafting table and I do this now, gives me the ability to jump over any attackers if they attempt this again box-in manuever again. Kind of strange that I feel the need to do this. Ahh well..

[alako]

would be better if the rogue system worked better... i mean cmon ur gettin ganked inside a town and in that 10 seconds u will live as u've killed the guy with ur guild and stole his stuff, increase guard tower dmg or do like uo with guards....

[Saihras]

Guard towers are a reactionary force which provides consequences for criminal behaviors.


Alignment system could have some tweaking done to it, but nothing else is wrong here.

would be better if the rogue system worked better... i mean cmon ur gettin ganked inside a town and in that 10 seconds u will live as u've killed the guy with ur guild and stole his stuff, increase guard tower dmg or do like uo with guards....

1 hit = 10sec grey, 2 hits = 2mins. QQQQQQ moar troll

[corpus]

So last night I spent a good 45 minutes gathering Ore at various Metal Rock spawns outside of Sandbrook. Since the nodes have been changed it has been a bit harder to mine ore and took a while longer but I made due..I head back to town when I figure I have enough to make 200 or so arrows. I made my ingots, then made my lumber and start making my arrows.

After a few moments I notice a fellow running in between me and the bowyer table interrupting my work. At one point he stands still and hits me! I turn to run and 4 other people are whacking me. I can't run and am completely blocked by this mob of idiots....I tried jumping to no avail and die...
I ended up losing my saw, ingots, wood, ore, tongs, woodworking knife and 100+ arrows.
Flame me all you want, but I think that is not right.

How was I to know a mob of jerks was standing at my back? How the heck is justice served here? Obviously it was coordinated. The towers did fire and kill at leaast one, but the group made out with what they wanted...Hours worth of work I put in and because I can't simply mouselook over my sholder, I pay a hefty price. Has this happened to anyone else?
One trick I have found effective is finding a way on top of whatever facitility your using, most of the time you can manage that and look down and continue to make shit. Failing that, activate the crafting gump, right click, turn around so your back is to the workbench, you should still have the gump, re-right click and keep an eye on who is approaching, if, in mid craft, anyone suspicious appears to approach, book it. Also, craft wearing sword and board, when they pull this shit, go into block mode, stick your back against something if possible, and hope the Gtowers kills them quicker.

[Code2501]

What happened to consequences.

Havent played the game, but it sounds like the alignment/faction system is lame.
Sure you should be allowed to pillage, loot and be a general bastard, but wtf happened to consequences for your actions.

[Faith-Dk]

There's a goblin camp not far from, i don't remember what the city is called.. It's in alfar territory.

The goblin camp is actually ABOVE the city, and somehow the towers can shoot through the ground.

So when you are killing goblins, and another person just jumps infront of you on purpose, the towers are killing you.
There's no chance for surviving, as there are several towers hitting you at the same time.

It's been annoying and isn't a part of PVP.
It's taking advantage of the towers, and do everything you can to be hit and make someone rogue.
In that camp, it happens all the time.. and it's annoying.

[Redsky]

the bad thing is they bank all there kit before attacking you so it dosent matter if they die, maybe have one guy loot all ur stuff, sad thats why i quit humans to many idiots running around.

[yazzgoth]

Looting a blue player should mark people grey as well.

This was the case in UO and makes absolute sense.

[Abremalist]

Looting a blue player should mark people grey as well.

This was the case in UO and makes absolute sense.

/signed

Unless they are part of the same guild/party/group.

[neoterrar]

To start, this probably Isn't the game for me. Been playing it for what..3 weeks now..

I don't understand the mentality that if you can do it, you should.
This game promotes being an asshole, because you can get away with it.
So, you have to assume anyone near you is an asshole. IMO thats just
dumb.
---
I've seen people practice this boxing in move, but I never seen it pulled off.
I feel your pain, but the loss wasnt too much. It's not like you lost full plate or something.

[myrath]

So last night I spent a good 45 minutes gathering Ore at various Metal Rock spawns outside of Sandbrook. Since the nodes have been changed it has been a bit harder to mine ore and took a while longer but I made due..I head back to town when I figure I have enough to make 200 or so arrows. I made my ingots, then made my lumber and start making my arrows.

After a few moments I notice a fellow running in between me and the bowyer table interrupting my work. At one point he stands still and hits me! I turn to run and 4 other people are whacking me. I can't run and am completely blocked by this mob of idiots....I tried jumping to no avail and die...
I ended up losing my saw, ingots, wood, ore, tongs, woodworking knife and 100+ arrows.
Flame me all you want, but I think that is not right.

How was I to know a mob of jerks was standing at my back? How the heck is justice served here? Obviously it was coordinated. The towers did fire and kill at leaast one, but the group made out with what they wanted...Hours worth of work I put in and because I can't simply mouselook over my sholder, I pay a hefty price. Has this happened to anyone else?

- There are no safezones
- Tips say Bank Often!

You shouldn't carry around that much stuff!

[Mortiferus]

In Old UO the guards were insta-kill with my trusty guards guards guards bind.


Umm, no they weren't. That didn't happen until later on. You used to be able to run from the guards.

[riddlenzomg]

So last night I spent a good 45 minutes gathering Ore at various Metal Rock spawns outside of Sandbrook. Since the nodes have been changed it has been a bit harder to mine ore and took a while longer but I made due..I head back to town when I figure I have enough to make 200 or so arrows. I made my ingots, then made my lumber and start making my arrows.



so you gathered 25 ore in 45 minutes to make 200 arrows
wow first off you lost 25 ore or 10 ingots... not a big loss
second if your taking 45 minutes to gather 25 ore you need to rethink mmos in general, heck your probably not even smart enough to use a computer

[MacCoy]

200 arrows?....thats nothing man...get over it

[Stigma]

I call that strategy. To resolve this.. War his guild and kill them in town when you want.

/clan_leave

your move.

-Stigma

[Stigma]

Listen, regardless of anything else I'm sure that we can all agree on that the core of the problem here is not nessecarily that you can kill someone in town, but rather that you can do so without any consequence or risk worth mentioning.

- You do it naked, allways - so no loot to lose
- Only one person gets negative alignment, and regaining alignment is trivial at best.
- The rewards on the other hand are very great. As the gankers themselves say: its easily the best way to get resources cash and items. It even beats exploiting mob AI. Nothing drops as many goodies as a player crafter, period, even if they only craft in small batches.

So what I'd like to see isn't nessecarily 100% safe cities or ubertowers, but some way to force some risk into the situation from the side of the gankers too, and not JUST the crafter. Exactly how that is done I don't really care, but as en axample how about if you needed to wear armor in order to not get 2-shotted by towers? How about if newbie weapons did extremely low or no damage in PvP? SBG or other greifergankers are welcome to come try gank me the day that I can loot their stuff if they fail the attempt. They have never suceeded in ganking me while crafting yet despite several attempts, but that means nothing to them since there is no risk or penalty for failing - and thats what needs to change IMO.

I can't see anyone wanting riskless rewards in DFO. Neither the most carebear nor the "hardcore".

-Stigma

[Gratchek]

its common and you have to craft smarter. Don't go in with everything. Take the time to bank a portion and craft a certain number at a time.

You can also try to find a merc group or friendly players to back you up when you craft if you plan to do large scale crafting sessions.

Oh forgot to add that you just need to parry/block and the guard towers will kill whoevers on you well before our stamina wears out....you can also move while parrying so have a weapon and shield available.

[Baine2004]

So last night I spent a good 45 minutes gathering Ore at various Metal Rock spawns outside of Sandbrook. Since the nodes have been changed it has been a bit harder to mine ore and took a while longer but I made due..I head back to town when I figure I have enough to make 200 or so arrows. I made my ingots, then made my lumber and start making my arrows.

After a few moments I notice a fellow running in between me and the bowyer table interrupting my work. At one point he stands still and hits me! I turn to run and 4 other people are whacking me. I can't run and am completely blocked by this mob of idiots....I tried jumping to no avail and die...
I ended up losing my saw, ingots, wood, ore, tongs, woodworking knife and 100+ arrows.
Flame me all you want, but I think that is not right.

How was I to know a mob of jerks was standing at my back? How the heck is justice served here? Obviously it was coordinated. The towers did fire and kill at leaast one, but the group made out with what they wanted...Hours worth of work I put in and because I can't simply mouselook over my sholder, I pay a hefty price. Has this happened to anyone else?

Could someone translate this into some old english? We could then use this for the prelude for our next adventure novel. :)

[Winker]

Most of the responders to this seem to think there was something that the OP could have done to prevent this. But there is not. Most of the suggestions do very little - if anything to prevent this situation:

Watching around you doesn't prevent the situation - the attackers just wait until you start crafting and then run up. If they are a clever group, no matter what way you face, they can also sneak up behind you or on the other side of a building. In fact, if you stand with your back to a wall, you're easier to box in!
It doesn't help to try to have defenders, or to group up, etc. because the attackers bring a few extra players who don't attack, just box you in and loot. If the defenders try to drive off the looters, they are killed by the towers. Even if you plan to use friendly players to try to loot to recover the loss, they are usually out of position, and the crafter loses most of his loot.
Similarly, other friendly players (or crafters) CANNOT come to the aid of the person getting attacked, and should not be faulted for failing to help - the towers will kill the attackers, and it's the looters who don't attack that are the problem. Again, if somebody tries to help and attacks the looters, they too are killed by the towers.
Doing the crafting in small lots only serves to diminish the loss, and is very frustrating to the crafter (the banks are rarely close). It does not prevent the event. Anybody who's played MMOs much must agree that this practice will continue - players will continue to do this simply because they can, even if there is no profit for them. Griefers find amusement from griefing.

What the OP is pointing out is that there is a weakness in the game system, WHICH THERE IS. Rather than simply accept the game system as rigid, we should consider possible alternatives, and if something makes sense, suggest it to AV.

One idea is that perhaps looters should go "grey" for a short duration, if they try to loot (other than their own corpse) in town. This would allow group members or other players to come to the aid of a crafter, or anybody else who is attacked.

Maybe it's not the perfect solution. But perhaps the suggestion will cause someone else to think of a better solution, or to modify the idea. I encourage readers to please post their ideas as well - I'm sure somebody out there has a better solution. Let's discuss the problem, not focus on insulting the OP!

Best post by far!

This sort of crap should be stoped now! These assholes will not last long! They lack the skill to leave town and pvp or pvm so give it a few more months and they will be gone coz they will get board of the game.

Its not pvp its griefing pure and simple and at the end of the day griefers like these will make people leave the game and destroy it for everyone.

[inademv]

What happened to consequences.

Havent played the game, but it sounds like the alignment/faction system is lame.
Sure you should be allowed to pillage, loot and be a general bastard, but wtf happened to consequences for your actions.

Player content. Players make the consequences for the actions of others.

[inademv]

Looting a blue player should mark people grey as well.

This was the case in UO and makes absolute sense.

How exactly does it make sense? If a guy's corpse is on the ground, who the fuck cares about how it got there and who goes through it?

[inademv]

Listen, regardless of anything else I'm sure that we can all agree on that the core of the problem here is not nessecarily that you can kill someone in town, but rather that you can do so without any consequence or risk worth mentioning.

- You do it naked, allways - so no loot to lose
- Only one person gets negative alignment, and regaining alignment is trivial at best.
- The rewards on the other hand are very great. As the gankers themselves say: its easily the best way to get resources cash and items. It even beats exploiting mob AI. Nothing drops as many goodies as a player crafter, period, even if they only craft in small batches.

So what I'd like to see isn't nessecarily 100% safe cities or ubertowers, but some way to force some risk into the situation from the side of the gankers too, and not JUST the crafter. Exactly how that is done I don't really care, but as en axample how about if you needed to wear armor in order to not get 2-shotted by towers? How about if newbie weapons did extremely low or no damage in PvP? SBG or other greifergankers are welcome to come try gank me the day that I can loot their stuff if they fail the attempt. They have never suceeded in ganking me while crafting yet despite several attempts, but that means nothing to them since there is no risk or penalty for failing - and thats what needs to change IMO.

I can't see anyone wanting riskless rewards in DFO. Neither the most carebear nor the "hardcore".

-Stigma

Solution: GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE STARTER TOWNS

[inademv]

its common and you have to craft smarter. Don't go in with everything. Take the time to bank a portion and craft a certain number at a time.

You can also try to find a merc group or friendly players to back you up when you craft if you plan to do large scale crafting sessions.

Oh forgot to add that you just need to parry/block and the guard towers will kill whoevers on you well before our stamina wears out....you can also move while parrying so have a weapon and shield available.

Can't parry guard towers anymore.

[Killiran]

200 arrows is 25 timber/25 iron ore.

You harvest that in 15min. Are you crying over a 15min loss?

[Killiran]

Can't parry guard towers anymore.

Parry the attackers while the tower kill them.

Read again.

[Najare]

Play WoW, GTFO here. No need to go red cause you killed your own race, while at war. IF YOU DONT WANT TO GET KILLED WHILE CRAFTING, STAY AWAY FROM GUILDS(dont JOIN ANY GUILD, if you are in 1, leave it till finish crafting). WHEN YOU SEE 4 PEOPLE TOGETHER NEAR YOU....RUN TO DAT BANK. GOd people are brain dead.

[Mephod]

Play WoW, GTFO here. No need to go red cause you killed your own race, while at war. IF YOU DONT WANT TO GET KILLED WHILE CRAFTING, STAY AWAY FROM GUILDS(dont JOIN ANY GUILD, if you are in 1, leave it till finish crafting). WHEN YOU SEE 4 PEOPLE TOGETHER NEAR YOU....RUN TO DAT BANK. GOd people are brain dead.

You sir are a prime example of "brain dead"

[sickboy1982]

Shit happens, and noway they all hit you and didnt get killed by tower guards if you were at a crafting station.

Anyway, it is possible to kill ppl anywhere just to fuck with em. May be retarded but if it wasnt possible you loose that always on your toes feeling.

Try not to bring more than you need ever, look around you, know where the bank is before you start crafting, can always run andbank most items before you die .
Join a clan so you have company or a city.

Other than that, DF is a bitch all the time and i love it

[Ktorr]

200 arrows is 25 timber/25 iron ore.

You harvest that in 15min. Are you crying over a 15min loss?

Where are you getting your info? 200 arrows is 10 Wood and 10 Iron.
I don't know about anyone else, but I get 20 arrows per 1/1.

[Vamp]

k so usually i wouldnt post this, but to educate the public because i feel nice:

How not to get ganked while crafting in town:

Do not craft encumbered.
Do not craft while naked.
Do not craft without a shield/one hander.
Do not craft AFK.
Do not craft alone.
Do not stare at the crafting station. you want to look at the most logical place a ganker will come in from.
Do not pin yourself into the station.

Do learn how to immediately pull out your weapon and potentially block when you feel unsafe.
Do learn how move around and check surroundings.
Do learn to identify potential threats and adjust accordingly.
Do learn to put all your shit in one bag for quick banking.
Do learn to pick the proper cities for crafting, and know your paths and their paths, and number of towers/loc for crafting.
Do learn how to jump on objects when possible to get to an un-ordinary position for crafting, like on a roof for instance, this will allow for more early identification of threats, and will make rushing/boxing harder to do for them.
Do learn to never put your back to your enemy and to keep calm.

follow these directions and you can craft in safety.

Feel free to PM me preferably on the Night Crew boards if you have any questions, I dont really check here too much.

Vampy NC
http://www.night-crew.com
email: vamp @ night-crew.com

[Marrik]

youre right, they ought to just make it so you can turn your PVP flag off

[Vamp]

youre right, they ought to just make it so you can turn your PVP flag off


huh? no. this is DarkFall, not a pve game. dont be silly.

[Einyen]

They should really make up their minds, if cities are supposed to be safe or not. Either make towers hit much harder or with guards patrolling, or remove towers all together. This flawed system sucks.

[Killiran]

Where are you getting your info? 200 arrows is 10 Wood and 10 Iron.
I don't know about anyone else, but I get 20 arrows per 1/1.

You should read before talking.
I said Timber and Iron ore.

25 timber + 25 ore = 10 wood + 10 ingot = 200 arrows.

[Ktorr]

You should read before talking.
I said Timber and Iron ore.

25 timber + 25 ore = 10 wood + 10 ingot = 200 arrows.

Then I stand corrected good sir.

[Mowin]

I would like to thank the OP for posting this, because of this post i have decided NOT to buy this game.

getting ganked by 5 PK's and loosing hours of work does not sound like fun to me...
(i love the idrea of looting people you kill, but this i just plain old griefing. I cant see spending my HARD EARNED MONEY to be griefed by some douche nozzle who get an erection every time would be down right ignorant...)

im sure people will flame me and say im just weak, im cool with that...

[Grimmace]

For all the "This is how Darkfall is supposed to be" whiners, stop QQ for easier PKs. That is exactly what you are doing. The only people defending killing at crafting stations are those who lack the skills to PK in the wilds. You have to jump someone who is distracted and you have to bring 4 friends to do it. That's not a skill based game, that's chickensh*t. The NPC cities should have law and order. If you hit a player, and that player dies before they leave the city you should go red for 24 hours.

Life ain't fair would you like a box of tissues?

You can go cry in the corner with the guy who lost his 500k house because he thought he could afford that on a 20k a year salary... idiot

[Chance]

200 arrows is 25 timber/25 iron ore.

You harvest that in 15min. Are you crying over a 15min loss?

If you are refering to my loses, please reread what I posted.. I lost more than 200 arrows...
And yes, I know you can get that in 15 mins IF (and a HUGE IF), you can find iron nodes that aren't tapped out.

So to answer your question- NO. I am not crying over a 15 min loss.

[Chance]

I would like to thank the OP for posting this, because of this post i have decided NOT to buy this game.

getting ganked by 5 PK's and loosing hours of work does not sound like fun to me...
(i love the idrea of looting people you kill, but this i just plain old griefing. I cant see spending my HARD EARNED MONEY to be griefed by some douche nozzle who get an erection every time would be down right ignorant...)

im sure people will flame me and say im just weak, im cool with that...

Mowin- Darkfall is a fun game. Don't let my mis-hap here deter you from giving it a chance. While I was frustrated at what occured to me in a "Newbie town", I have taken measures to curb such griefing done against me in the future. While I can't stamp out the possibility completely, it likely will not be happening to me again.
There are a lot of tips in this thread posted by others that I have employed while crafting.

That being said, I do think the alignment system needs tweaking. the system as is has many holes left open for people to exploit. I also think alignment should be tied to "rerolls". Currently, if a person wants to grief, reroll, grief, reroll, they can do so without any penalty. Grief people, have a friend bank the stuff you collect, reroll your character and keep doing it over and over until you have a horde of items for your clan or perhaps for a character you chose to stick with...Is this what the devs envisioned when creating DF? I doubt it. Personally, I think they need to transfer alignment hits to your new character. There should be consequences for ones actions. I'll probably be flamed for this too but it's what I think closely fits the spirit of the game. "Open pvp where one is held responsible for his/her actions."

[Vamp]

I would like to thank the OP for posting this, because of this post i have decided NOT to buy this game.

getting ganked by 5 PK's and loosing hours of work does not sound like fun to me...
(i love the idrea of looting people you kill, but this i just plain old griefing. I cant see spending my HARD EARNED MONEY to be griefed by some douche nozzle who get an erection every time would be down right ignorant...)

im sure people will flame me and say im just weak, im cool with that...


yeah, well if you know what you are doing you dont get caught out there like that. read my post. if you would get your panties in a bunch from getting killed with tons of shit on you when you should only carry portions, then you either need to adapt or the game isnt for you i guess.

[Lethaledge]

always have someone watch your back when crafting

[DocMartin]

Wear chain armor, or some junk leather you pick up from goblins. Back to a wall so you can see if someone is running around suspiciously in front of you. Have a weapon and/or shield equipped so that if they attack, you can just parry till they die.

I regularly cut 600 timber/ore at a time, and craft for 3-4 hours a day with those materials. I only work out of starter cities, and have yet to die to nakeds.

[Azzerhoden]

Have you tried mining lately? Takes a while to find a good node...
Also- I lost considerably more than just 200 arrows.
At any rate I expected to be flamed so no big deal there. Admittedly I didn't think about standing on top of the crafting table and I do this now, gives me the ability to jump over any attackers if they attempt this again box-in manuever again. Kind of strange that I feel the need to do this. Ahh well..

Not true. It is only true if you hang around towns. There are nodes all over the wilderness. Will you die occasionally? Yes. But often you will be banking after harvesting 2-3 full nodes. I do it all the time, and I have found metal nodes almost everywhere. In fact, in my exploration, I have found fields of nodes, with the metal ores greatly out-numbering the rock.

For those that do not understand the reasoning behind putting your back to the wall. You get hit for a lot more damage from behind. This makes it harder for you to get killed quickly. And Parrying allows you to survive while the towers kill the perps.

[Daniel Daly911]

what the devs need to do is make GUARDS not GUARD TOWERS real Guards!!!!! that way if peaple try to do that stupid shit they will get a big fistfull of ownsauce in their face (mmmmmmm ownsauce.....) but make the guards like knockback EVERYTHING that way when peaple get stuck in a mob of retards the gaurds willl push them away and beat the fuck out of em..... anyway .... /signed

[No Spin Zone]

So, do you think you deserve to craft in perfect peace under the security of the laser towers?

I know it sucks for you personally to take a loss but people need to be under constant threat at all times in Darkfall. No one should be able to take safety for granted as many players do in their racial towns.

This ganking method is actually very good for the game.

[Evenan]

So last night I spent a good 45 minutes gathering Ore at various Metal Rock spawns outside of Sandbrook. Since the nodes have been changed it has been a bit harder to mine ore and took a while longer but I made due..I head back to town when I figure I have enough to make 200 or so arrows. I made my ingots, then made my lumber and start making my arrows.

After a few moments I notice a fellow running in between me and the bowyer table interrupting my work. At one point he stands still and hits me! I turn to run and 4 other people are whacking me. I can't run and am completely blocked by this mob of idiots....I tried jumping to no avail and die...
I ended up losing my saw, ingots, wood, ore, tongs, woodworking knife and 100+ arrows.
Flame me all you want, but I think that is not right.

How was I to know a mob of jerks was standing at my back? How the heck is justice served here? Obviously it was coordinated. The towers did fire and kill at leaast one, but the group made out with what they wanted...Hours worth of work I put in and because I can't simply mouselook over my sholder, I pay a hefty price. Has this happened to anyone else?

thats harsh man, and yes this has happened to pretty much everyone in the game, if not, then soon..

[vitruvius]

So last night I spent a good 45 minutes gathering Ore at various Metal Rock spawns outside of Sandbrook. Since the nodes have been changed it has been a bit harder to mine ore and took a while longer but I made due..I head back to town when I figure I have enough to make 200 or so arrows. I made my ingots, then made my lumber and start making my arrows.

After a few moments I notice a fellow running in between me and the bowyer table interrupting my work. At one point he stands still and hits me! I turn to run and 4 other people are whacking me. I can't run and am completely blocked by this mob of idiots....I tried jumping to no avail and die...
I ended up losing my saw, ingots, wood, ore, tongs, woodworking knife and 100+ arrows.
Flame me all you want, but I think that is not right.

How was I to know a mob of jerks was standing at my back? How the heck is justice served here? Obviously it was coordinated. The towers did fire and kill at leaast one, but the group made out with what they wanted...Hours worth of work I put in and because I can't simply mouselook over my sholder, I pay a hefty price. Has this happened to anyone else?

200 arrows = 10 ingots and 10 wood

hours worth of work? that's 25 ore and 25 timber

takes no time at all

you're lucky you didn't lose 300 ingots and 900 wood grinding weapons

[Elteryne]

always have someone watch your back when crafting
You can look around while crafting, even do it backwards. No reason anyone should ever be looking down at the crafting table instead of out into the city.

[SHo]

Personally ...... funny as shit!

lmao and even more funny is you posting a complaint about getting jacked lol!
Only wish it was me that was part of it because reading this post woulda made it even more of an enjoyable experience of grief.

I love this game! lol

[Deen0229]

That's nothing. I got killed by about 10 naked people inside of Moonclaw. Lost a banded set, 3 mounts, rank 40 1h mace, iron enforcer shield and a bunch of stuff and the tower didn't even do shit to any of them lol. Oh well i've lost worse.