Full Armor vs No Armor...

[BigCountry]

Full Armor vs No Armor, what exactly is the difference?

For the most part I see none.

If anyone has the die roll modifier/calculation that would be great. It definitely needs some overhauling...

If your naked and get hit by a weapon on something of a decent stat/skill you should get wrecked....period.
lol

/discuss

[nick larking]

On armoured persons i do like ~25damage in the back, on a naked person im doing 35-40damage in the back.

[SadMaz]

Full Armor vs No Armor, what exactly is the difference?

For the most part I see none.

If anyone has the die roll modifier/calculation that would be great. It definitely needs some overhauling...

If your naked and get hit by a weapon on something of a decent stat/skill you should get wrecked....period.
lol

/discuss

well after a re-roll with all fightin stats around 25 and player stats around 22+....i think when i m left naked (after gettin my ass looted ofc)...i can do shit to a fully geared player...that tho might just be cuz of the low stats for now

[Stumpy]

Full Armor vs No Armor, what exactly is the difference?

For the most part I see none.

If anyone has the die roll modifier/calculation that would be great. It definitely needs some overhauling...

If your naked and get hit by a weapon on something of a decent stat/skill you should get wrecked....period.
lol

/discuss

/signed!

If I am running around in a skimpy leather thong and I get hit by a weapon it should really do double the damage it does to someone with armour.

[APEist]

Depends on the armor. The difference between naked and cloth is barely noticeable. The difference between naked and plate is huge.

[Arcador]

Right now the armor do makes a difference, epsecially when naked guys take more damage now. Come and see banded and plate, - for some weapons the difference is almost double!

The problem is that there are to few penalties for heavy armour, thus making all the other types which give less protection to be almost useless. You swim, fight, shoot and run in plate same as you do in cloth, padded and leather. Only magic is affected by it and it is the mid-end magic spells.

[Tren]

I will agree the diffrence say banded armour makes in a fight compared to no armour seems way to low.

I can still win a very decent percentage of my fights naked and with my noobie weapon. while I like that both character and player skill have major parts to play, the role played by the use of armour could do with some tweaking.

[ClockworkOrange]

Where full plate, drink major pots, eat food, never die.

[b9er]

I've noticed a big difference. I farm goblins naked and I have to bail from low health after just a few start to get on me. If i just load up with leather I can take on goblins all day with out having to bail..

[Elphaba]

Full Armor vs No Armor, what exactly is the difference?

For the most part I see none.

If anyone has the die roll modifier/calculation that would be great. It definitely needs some overhauling...

If your naked and get hit by a weapon on something of a decent stat/skill you should get wrecked....period.
lol

/discuss

I simply must ask you one question.

Have you actually ever played this game?

[BigCountry]

I simply must ask you one question.

Have you actually ever played this game?

Of course you 08' nub....

Take 2 guys, equal in PvP, skill/stats/level, give one armor, the other naked. I just do not see much difference, when it should be night and day...we have tested this multiple times.

Armor makes you look cool and all, but I am not 100% convinced it's drastically needed for PvP atm.

[BigCountry]

I've noticed a big difference. I farm goblins naked and I have to bail from low health after just a few start to get on me. If i just load up with leather I can take on goblins all day with out having to bail..

Yeah PvE and PvP are different animals, esp when trying to tank 2-3 mobs. No doubt.

I was referring to 1v1 PvP more so though.

[OvanOf Twilight]

If your naked and get hit by a weapon on something of a decent stat/skill you should get wrecked....period.


It does about 10 points more damage, and remember. This game is trying to NOT be gear based, so they don't want it to be completely one sided (i.e. If you don't have good gear you get wrecked)

[Marxon_VG]

I notice a difference. I am still pretty low as far as my skills go compared to a lot of players who have been grinding there hearts out.

With that said, I totally wreck naked people when I am fully armored.

[Jezvin]

Where full plate, drink major pots, eat food, never die.

this

[Patrician]

Well the plan was not to make Armor too important. There is already a significant difference if you attack a nude guy vs a guy wearing full banded/scale, we can only imagine how far the difference will go in Dragonscale and above.

I wouldn't want it to end like 'LoL I've got Full Plate so you can't kill me.', however.

[SnapAtl]

With that said, I totally wreck naked people when I am fully armored.

This. If you're eating food as well then you can wreck several naked people before being in any real danger - Unless you're really terrible.

[Viluin]

I've noticed a big difference. I farm goblins naked and I have to bail from low health after just a few start to get on me. If i just load up with leather I can take on goblins all day with out having to bail..

If I'm naked I can kill like a billion goblins.. I only have to stop when I'm out of stamina. You're doing something wrong tbh.

[McDoogs]

Of course you 08' nub....

Take 2 guys, equal in PvP, skill/stats/level, give one armor, the other naked. I just do not see much difference, when it should be night and day...we have tested this multiple times.

Armor makes you look cool and all, but I am not 100% convinced it's drastically needed for PvP atm.

You are doing it wrong.

[Pyrodance]

I swear.. the only decent fix i can see in naked vs geared would be to make STARTER WEAPONS not do any damage in PvP :ninja:
so it prevents them to go zerg after death in a clan fight and makes 1v1 geared vs naked worthwhile... :)
because then the naked would actually need a weapon and the geared could get that weapon off it :). :ohno:

[tralla]

On armoured persons i do like ~25damage in the back, on a naked person im doing 35-40damage in the back.

And what are you using? Fireball or something?

[zlade]

Where full plate, drink major pots, eat food, never die.

yes, make sure you "where" it.

[pongo]

Of course you 08' nub....

Take 2 guys, equal in PvP, skill/stats/level, give one armor, the other naked. I just do not see much difference, when it should be night and day...we have tested this multiple times.

Armor makes you look cool and all, but I am not 100% convinced it's drastically needed for PvP atm.

I will tell you the difference. Ready?

Armored wins.

[nick larking]

And what are you using? Fireball or something?

Archery

[Boduar69]

Wear full plate fight a naked guy and your going to beat the shit outta him. Hell you dont even have to try.

[JKhan]

If I'm naked I can kill like a billion goblins.. I only have to stop when I'm out of stamina. You're doing something wrong tbh.

Do you not take any damage? What am I doing wrong then, I seem to take damage when I'm fighting goblins.

[nyustul]

Do you not take any damage? What am I doing wrong then, I seem to take damage when I'm fighting goblins.

Oh are you kidding, if you deck out in scale witha shield, you can take 3 goblin fighters at once and your only problem is stamina. With scale armor and a mount you can take on about 20-30 different mobs.

Most sword damage ive done was 56pts to a naked person unmounted in the back with a rank 60 blade of might.

[JKhan]

He said he could take on endless goblins *naked*, that's why I was asking.

[nyustul]

He said he could take on endless goblins *naked*, that's why I was asking.

My bad thats all about position, but when your defense skills get really high you can soak up quite a bit from goblins naked.

[JKhan]

Position? Can you dodge the goblins' attacks? I try to circle strafe a little bit but it doesn't seem to do much when they're meleeing me.

[Shaoz]

And what are you using? Fireball or something?

Typically with starter weapon you hit armored people in banded/scale for 10-15, naked you hit for 20-30. (or something close to that)

[chimp]

The balance is about right. The armorered guy definately has an advantage, and it scales with the quality of armor. With full plate, a naked newbie weapon guy will not scratch me much at all whilst I carve his ass up like a turkey dinner.

BUT if the guy is good, and you suck, then you will want to watch yourself as those back hits he scores start to rack up. Im pretty happy with the balance between gear dependency and skill.

[Blixa]

Come on people, that's retarded. Gotta be a troll, you really just can't tell me you're not noticing a difference. Armor really makes a huge difference, a HUGE.

[smason]

Well seems people have figured out how to exploit this if you want to call it that.

They pop on 1 piece of armor and yes i said one piece, be it cloth or whatever and they do not get the double dmg or whatever the amount is for naked people.


Its really becoming a joke, they really need to take a look at the alingment system,,,,,:bang:

[Cryhavoc]

Yes, there is a difference. The Plate guy will do anywhere from 16-28 points depending on skill level and the Naked guy will do 8-13 on the plate wearer. You do the math, plate guy wins, unless the naked guy is not getting hit and plate guy runs out of stam.

Some guilds use this strategy btw, thats why "V" can be your best friend.

[Pyro Kiddie]

sorted in the latest patch imo.

naked ppl hitting me for 6dmg

me hitting them for 25.

/win

[Teutonox]

sorted in the latest patch imo.

naked ppl hitting me for 6dmg

me hitting them for 25.

/win

Patch notes don't mention anything about armor tweaks/damage dealt to armor. :idea:

[Elphaba]

Of course you 08' nub....

Take 2 guys, equal in PvP, skill/stats/level, give one armor, the other naked. I just do not see much difference, when it should be night and day...we have tested this multiple times.

Armor makes you look cool and all, but I am not 100% convinced it's drastically needed for PvP atm.

I ask again. Have you actually played this game?

[Nicholai Pestot]

One thing that may be skewing results.

The acid exploit allowed people to raise their rigor and ignore pain (the mastery version of rigor) up to maximum.With these maxed you have similar damage reduction to banded while naked.

Someone who goes "hurhurhur I farm gobbos naked with no health loss" may not want to flaunt that fact quite so much.

[ewlinitis]

Damn im reading all these posts yet noone has posted the reality behind the difference. When you are fully armored, you lose dmg stats on that specific weapon. Being naked , although you take a bit more dmg , your shots hit harder with weapons like the bow. So although a nub with full plate can take more dmg, you also deal more dmg. I've beat plenty plated dudes, I use my pots, food, and my bow , shoot and run shoot and run, 1h sword with my shield, tire them out, pop stamina potion , finish the nub off with bow again. Some are just too easy.

[Gurrak]

It does about 10 points more damage, and remember. This game is trying to NOT be gear based, so they don't want it to be completely one sided (i.e. If you don't have good gear you get wrecked)

ofc it shouldn't be gear dependent, like gear vs gear should not make a big difference, but naked vs gear should.

[gmornin]

It does about 10 points more damage, and remember. This game is trying to NOT be gear based, so they don't want it to be completely one sided (i.e. If you don't have good gear you get wrecked)

Thats the problem. You actually made the OP's point...uh theres no RISK for the little naked bastards and alot of potential profit. Where as the geared folks have just a slight advanatage and ALOT of risk

needs some tweaking. basically naked is BS.

[Nevr]

One thing that may be skewing results.

The acid exploit allowed people to raise their rigor and ignore pain (the mastery version of rigor) up to maximum.With these maxed you have similar damage reduction to banded while naked.

Someone who goes "hurhurhur I farm gobbos naked with no health loss" may not want to flaunt that fact quite so much.

qft

imho, devs should roll back the rigor on anyone with it maxed out. there's no way this early in the game that any of those people did it legit.

[Viluin]

One thing that may be skewing results.

The acid exploit allowed people to raise their rigor and ignore pain (the mastery version of rigor) up to maximum.With these maxed you have similar damage reduction to banded while naked.

Someone who goes "hurhurhur I farm gobbos naked with no health loss" may not want to flaunt that fact quite so much.

Rigor and Ignore pain maxed out does not give you the same protection as banded. It gives you 1.0 resistance. That's like 4 pieces of cloth.

[Yakamoz]

Full Armor vs No Armor, what exactly is the difference?

For the most part I see none.

If anyone has the die roll modifier/calculation that would be great. It definitely needs some overhauling...

If your naked and get hit by a weapon on something of a decent stat/skill you should get wrecked....period.
lol

/discuss
I did little test yesterday:
In studded armor set I took from 8 to 10 dmg, naked from same weapon I took 10 to 16 dmg.

[Elelish]

There should be a HUGE difference between no armor and low-tier armor. But a not so huge difference between low and high tier armor. Thats what i actually hoped for DF...

[Alonjar]

Of course you 08' nub....

Take 2 guys, equal in PvP, skill/stats/level, give one armor, the other naked. I just do not see much difference, when it should be night and day...we have tested this multiple times.

Armor makes you look cool and all, but I am not 100% convinced it's drastically needed for PvP atm.

You're dumb as fuck. I hit naked people to the front for 20+ damage. I hit scale/plate people for 8-10 damage. Its significant.

[McDoogs]

if noobie weapons did like half the damage to players they do now, and armor was made a touch more effective, naked fighting would only be down when there was no other option

[Sleepwalker]

Similar to UO - Naked peeps should get rocked.......until they put some sort of armor on.

[isloike]

Of course you 08' nub....

Take 2 guys, equal in PvP, skill/stats/level, give one armor, the other naked. I just do not see much difference, when it should be night and day...we have tested this multiple times.

Armor makes you look cool and all, but I am not 100% convinced it's drastically needed for PvP atm.

Hes and 08 nub, im a 09 nub and your an ingame nub!

[Stumpy]

Being naked should give you an armour class of -1 (not 0,1 like now) and you take major dmg from weapons (so that noobies dont find it too hard give them early access to cloth) then cloth and the other armours SLIGHTLY boosted to give them a role ingame then all the heavy armours should have some sort of running speed and archery penalty.

ps: once armours are balanced please let us paint them so we dont all look the same.

[Necaremus]

Being naked should give you an armour class of -1 (not 0,1 like now) and you take major dmg from weapons (so that noobies dont find it too hard give them early access to cloth) then cloth and the other armours SLIGHTLY boosted to give them a role ingame then all the heavy armours should have some sort of running speed and archery penalty.

running speed penalty always ends in a free kill ;)