View Full Version : Darkfall PvE in a nutshell...
Atnas
03-20-2009, 01:17 AM
Well, more or less. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec7eO7UVbVg)
Whoopin
03-20-2009, 02:07 AM
Good video Atnas!
Slaker
03-20-2009, 02:34 AM
I lol'ed, very nice video Atnas!
Zekanthar
03-20-2009, 02:35 AM
lol
Ktorr
03-20-2009, 02:42 AM
So true.
Corwen
03-20-2009, 03:13 AM
Yep that about sums it up.
Atnas
03-20-2009, 09:06 AM
Haha, it's my first video ever so I'm still trying to learn this shit. I have no idea how to compress things properly.
In a way, I miss the classic stupid AI of EQ2/woW/MMO because then I wouldn't have to spend ages trying to hit a crazy hobgoblin raven grunt in the back since that guy has health up in the thousands.
Silvamp
03-20-2009, 10:24 AM
it sums up booring and repetative group pve, alot more fun trying to solo mobs :p
raff01
03-20-2009, 10:41 AM
This doesn't quite sums up the PVE tactic in DF, it just shows how to zerg vs 1 only mob.
If you are a group of lets say 3, it will be more interesting. especially if you are fighting more than just 1 mob.
Atnas
03-20-2009, 10:53 AM
This doesn't quite sums up the PVE tactic in DF, it just shows how to zerg vs 1 only mob.
If you are a group of lets say 3, it will be more interesting. especially if you are fighting more than just 1 mob.
I'm sorry, ganging up on goblin doesn't count.
Rodhull
03-20-2009, 11:50 AM
This doesn't quite sums up the PVE tactic in DF, it just shows how to zerg vs 1 only mob.
If you are a group of lets say 3, it will be more interesting. especially if you are fighting more than just 1 mob.
Yes darkfall is hardcore, you must not expect to be entertained by it, you must entertain yourself by placing stupid restrictions on your gameplay to make up for poor programming.
Dovregubben
03-20-2009, 12:21 PM
Aye, this sums up some of the hardest mobs around, gang up, lock them in place and mindlessly bash their brains in.
On a sidenote, i tried doing some quests solo yesterday with a bow and mana missiles and that was a completely different story. Killing undead dwarves that take 50-60 arrows to get down while dodging shots from 4 different mobs at once was pretty damn fun. ;) Rewards was nice too, two pieces of scale armor.
Atnas
03-20-2009, 04:28 PM
Aye, this sums up some of the hardest mobs around, gang up, lock them in place and mindlessly bash their brains in.
On a sidenote, i tried doing some quests solo yesterday with a bow and mana missiles and that was a completely different story. Killing undead dwarves that take 50-60 arrows to get down while dodging shots from 4 different mobs at once was pretty damn fun. ;) Rewards was nice too, two pieces of scale armor.
Yeah, but using arrows isn't very cost effective though!
Yeah, but using arrows isn't very cost effective though!
Better to skill up archery in pve than shooting 1000 arrows in the air.
Atnas
03-20-2009, 04:43 PM
Better to skill up archery in pve than shooting 1000 arrows in the air.
Of course, but if you're poor like me you save those precious arrows solely for PvP, lol
MortalZero
03-20-2009, 05:11 PM
You can do that in every game. In DarkFall you HAVE to do it (corner a mob) to kill it fast.
WNxRichTBiscuit
03-20-2009, 05:27 PM
mobs need to be nerfed, it shouldent take that long for a humanoid to die, veterans shouldent have more health, they should have more skills and damage
Wufiavelli
03-20-2009, 05:33 PM
UUUmmm if you zergged any game's mobbed and blocked them in and bashed their head in it would work like that. Not sure why everyone rags on df pve. I enjoy it far more then AoC pve, and even WoW and War PvE. Hell fighting goblins in more fun and challenging then most of the PQ in war.
Ghilteras
03-20-2009, 05:35 PM
Yep that about sums it up.
yep
Rodhull
03-20-2009, 06:32 PM
mobs need to be nerfed, it shouldent take that long for a humanoid to die, veterans shouldent have more health, they should have more skills and damage
There were big noises in beta from the players who generally favoured all mobs universally doing alot more damage and having alot less hits.
Would make the pve more fun AND more dangerous.
Currently unless you have a stroke mid-fight or meet the red dragon its almost impossible to die unexpectedly to mobs, they are, contrary to popular opinion just meat shield with fuck loads of hits.
UUUmmm if you zergged any game's mobbed and blocked them in and bashed their head in it would work like that. Not sure why everyone rags on df pve. I enjoy it far more then AoC pve, and even WoW and War PvE. Hell fighting goblins in more fun and challenging then most of the PQ in war.
Thing is most mobs wouldnt allow that to happen for one reason or another. And even if it did the mob would (lets say) focus fire on the weakest target surrounding it, or use a skill like a knockback or stun to break the blocking.
In DF the mobs are almost devoid of skills/abilities and they are total spastics, watch the video closely, half the reason its stuck its cause its ATTEMPTING to run away while completely blocked in, it has entered its 'spastic benny hill escape pattern' but hasnt realised it cant move... that sucks
Atnas
03-21-2009, 04:22 PM
Yeah, the raven guard is going nuts, trying to swing, run and switches target. In case you haven't noticed though it's a loop haha =)
Darkbone
03-21-2009, 06:59 PM
haha, cool vid.
Yeah, sadly that is the best way to do most mobs.
But there are a few exceptions:
Some mobs have a very good knockback, boxing them in is still doable, but it is at least a bit harder.
And i noticed some mobs will actually jump over you when you box them in for too long (sucks to be a small alfar).
Well, this game's focus is not PvE, and for that i find it entertaining enough.
And it always depends on the situation, sometimes mobs can screw you over hard, even in large numbers.
Ababoba
03-21-2009, 07:16 PM
Made me laugh. Nice video, but that's pretty much the truth.
Gozzon
03-22-2009, 12:24 AM
Nice video. Apparently thats how it should be done so those stupid AI mobs would not run all over the place throwing their ranged attack at player(s) :D
Gadzy
03-23-2009, 10:39 AM
That's a nice two seconds clip on repeat indeed.
The only mobs that are balanced right now are Goblins, Kobolds and low lvl undead.
Everything else is ZOMGHPOUTMYASS.
Mobs need to have better AI/skills at higher levels, not just a fuckload of HP.
Otherwise PvE will continue to be mount fucking and boxingZOMGSWINGFASTER fest.
Niccoli
03-23-2009, 04:29 PM
The only mobs that are balanced right now are Goblins, Kobolds and low lvl undead.
Everything else is ZOMGHPOUTMYASS.
Mobs need to have better AI/skills at higher levels, not just a fuckload of HP.
Otherwise PvE will continue to be mount fucking and boxingZOMGSWINGFASTER fest.
Yeah, and that's so fun while thinking about it i dozed off reading this post.
You could add hivekin to the list.
PvE is seriously broken. There is nothing fun about what that video demonstrates.
alfaroverall
03-23-2009, 04:34 PM
Is it sad that grouping in fucking FFXI (the most grindtastic of the grindfests) is more interesting than this?
By "this" I mean Darkfall's PvE (after goblins etc.), not Darkfall itself.
ThuleMazule
03-23-2009, 05:00 PM
pve here is beter than most mmo's, the monsters use magic, bows and arrows, and swords and stuff, they can choose to use them all in a fight, they try to not to let you hit them. its almost like playing against a real person with lots of HP. they run away, shoot you a couple times, then charge you again with their sword out. they get hurt and go for help, and when they come back their not on the front line, you need to either go around its friends to kill it or try hitting a new target.
try smaller groups if you want to have fun in PvE
alfaroverall
03-23-2009, 05:09 PM
try smaller groups if you want to have fun in PvE
...Except that the advanced content isn't doable in smaller groups...? That's like saying that, when you're max level in WoW with all the gear from the small group instances, you should just keep on running them, even though they're not going to give you anything of value. It's not quite the same (since you can actually lose stuff, re-farming the same gear is needed, unlike in WoW), but I think the basic point is clear.
LasherX
03-23-2009, 05:53 PM
sad
Atnas
03-23-2009, 06:06 PM
pve here is beter than most mmo's, the monsters use magic, bows and arrows, and swords and stuff, they can choose to use them all in a fight, they try to not to let you hit them. its almost like playing against a real person with lots of HP. they run away, shoot you a couple times, then charge you again with their sword out. they get hurt and go for help, and when they come back their not on the front line, you need to either go around its friends to kill it or try hitting a new target.
try smaller groups if you want to have fun in PvE
The AI practically always goes for the guy with the least amount of health. The AI isn't smart at all, it just seems to have a random element to it. Don't mistake them switching weapons for intelligence.
Kyrros
03-23-2009, 07:41 PM
DF's AI confuses the shit out of me. I think I have it figured out one minute, and the next the monster starts doing some crazy shit. :bang:
I do agree though, it isn't very enjoyable. If all monsters had an AI buff/more spells, I think things wouldn't be nearly as boring as they are now PvE wise.
And to idiots who say PvE isn't required, how do you get gold otherwise? It's gotta come from somewhere. :rolleyes:
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