There is only one melee pvp build

[yuppy]

That the build of the mounted combatant, 1h plus shield. If you want to be effective in PVP you have to have a mount.

Unmounted v mounted is not impossible, but its much tougher, making the logical choice to take a 1her so you can attack from your mount instead of using a polearm.

We need more options for mounted combat.

[Mytchi]

That the build of the mounted combatant, 1h plus shield. If you want to be effective in PVP you have to have a mount.

Unmounted v mounted is not impossible, but its much tougher, making the logical choice to take a 1her so you can attack from your mount instead of using a polearm.

We need more options for mounted combat.

Dont be stupid mounted<<< unmounted use rend then bow few shots and mount is down... D`OH player summon another mount.... im realy sick of pvpers with multiple mount max i saw was 5 mounts carrying. and about to be effective in pvp you need to have mount??? where did you get this from? Mostly me and my grp use mounts just to faster move on map when we see grp we unmount and shot bows then engage melle and continue fighting when enemiers mount up there is no chance mounted guy can escape 2 players shoting bow.. no there is not dont tell i can escape you just cant.:)

[Viluin]

The problem is that mounted players do a fuckton of damage but they don't receive any extra damage. The idea is that, because a player is mounted and most likely traveling at high speeds, his swings will hit harder. This SHOULD work both ways, but it doesn't. If I swing and manage to hit a mounted player it should hurt badly.

[Grognak]

The problem is that mounted players do a fuckton of damage but they don't receive any extra damage. The idea is that, because a player is mounted and most likely traveling at high speeds, his swings will hit harder. This SHOULD work both ways, but it doesn't. If I swing and manage to hit a mounted player it should hurt badly.

I'm not sure about that, but there does need to be a disadvantage for the mount. Right now equipment is trumping player skill by a wide margin.

[SG_Aedn]

Mounts are a bit over the top in small combat , as the combat size increase though i expect mounts effectiveness to decrease, given that focus fire will crush them. That said being out in the open without a mount makes things tough.

[I Eat Children]

I'm not sure about that, but there does need to be a disadvantage for the mount. Right now equipment is trumping player skill by a wide margin.

Its like hitting a wall while going fast in a car. If your going 10 mph you might get a dent. If you hit it at 100 mph, your car is totalled.

[[O]_Fawkes]

It's true that mounted combatants will do more damage, but they're more vulnerable and you'll die a lot quicker on one.

I don't see a problem with them. Any one rider should be able to ride down just about any person he encounters, but if he's outnumbered and his enemies are using arrows they will usually win.

[ikhoefnix]

That the build of the mounted combatant, 1h plus shield. If you want to be effective in PVP you have to have a mount.

Unmounted v mounted is not impossible, but its much tougher, making the logical choice to take a 1her so you can attack from your mount instead of using a polearm.

We need more options for mounted combat.

mounts are fairly easy to kill. just stay near an obstacle that will give the mounted guy some issues trying to get next to you.

[Bones40]

If the guy that is unmounted has arrows and any sort of skill, the mount will be dead before it's a factor. The fight will then be unmounted vs unmounted.

[Piranha]

That the build of the mounted combatant, 1h plus shield. If you want to be effective in PVP you have to have a mount.

Unmounted v mounted is not impossible, but its much tougher, making the logical choice to take a 1her so you can attack from your mount instead of using a polearm.

We need more options for mounted combat.

mounted combat is crap as it is atm, its leading to game misballance. take mounts out of the game till this is fixed.

[Bloretan]

Forget taking mounts out of the game, just implement a "ground plant" attack for polearms. You know what i'm talking about, your stick the butt end of the polearm into the ground and if the mounted rider should be stupid enough to still run at you and your aim is true, BAM Mount insta dead, rider thrown from the saddle, possible little stun? Maybe have it take your polearm out of your hands also, forcing you to use another weapon, or maybe loot the dead mount for your weapon back..

[Finddus]

Could also implement a spell that strangles the horse, heavily reducing the speed or damaging it greatly. Rp wise you could say that the spirits of characters are to strong for it to effect them or something. Both the melee attack and the spell could be somewhat hard to learn so that not everyone will have the ability, yet enough ppl have it to not gain on riding attacks.

[Grognak]

Forget taking mounts out of the game, just implement a "ground plant" attack for polearms. You know what i'm talking about, your stick the butt end of the polearm into the ground and if the mounted rider should be stupid enough to still run at you and your aim is true, BAM Mount insta dead, rider thrown from the saddle, possible little stun? Maybe have it take your polearm out of your hands also, forcing you to use another weapon, or maybe loot the dead mount for your weapon back..

That would just make polearms more popular than they already are (if thats even possible).

In a 1v1 fight yeah you can usually use obstacles to hurt the mounted guy, but 9 times out of 10 when you get that mount below 1/3 life he runs away and you won't can't catch him or kill his mount as he's out of spell/arrow range in 15 seconds.



Also, the mount kicking attack is total bullshit and needs to be removed. They already have a huge advantage with their damage and speed, they don't need an attack that makes cornering them not an option.

[Sayton]

Just bring a bow.

[ZtyX]

Forget taking mounts out of the game, just implement a "ground plant" attack for polearms. You know what i'm talking about, your stick the butt end of the polearm into the ground and if the mounted rider should be stupid enough to still run at you and your aim is true, BAM Mount insta dead, rider thrown from the saddle, possible little stun? Maybe have it take your polearm out of your hands also, forcing you to use another weapon, or maybe loot the dead mount for your weapon back..

The amount of march 09'ers and 08'ers talking out of their asses is incredible and you are a perfect example.

[Bloretan]

The amount of march 09'ers and 08'ers talking out of their asses is incredible and you are a perfect example.

LOL thanks, I always love talking out my ass, just trying to be constructive, forgot that was looked down upon here. :lmao:

[Vap0rware]

Mounts are perfectly balanced atm, and most of you whining are just QQing without cause. If you go against ANY decent player 1v1 and you're mounted you're going to lose your mount. It's risk vs reward. The mount damage is fine because you're putting alot more "gear" to risk than someone without one. Sure a mounted guy can rape afk nubs, or naked nubs, but he SHOULD. Mounts aren't a problem for a decent player to take out quickly.

[Viluin]

Mounts are perfectly balanced atm, and most of you whining are just QQing without cause. If you go against ANY decent player 1v1 and you're mounted you're going to lose your mount. It's risk vs reward. The mount damage is fine because you're putting alot more "gear" to risk than someone without one. Sure a mounted guy can rape afk nubs, or naked nubs, but he SHOULD. Mounts aren't a problem for a decent player to take out quickly.

It's just that most mounted players are in groups, in which case you have no chance of escaping. The only thing you can try is jump in the water (Mounts can't dive) and hope you can steal a mount when one of them gets off.

[Vap0rware]

It's just that most mounted players are in groups, in which case you have no chance of escaping. The only thing you can try is jump in the water (Mounts can't dive) and hope you can steal a mount when one of them gets off.

This is still fine. Nerfing something because of a group size complaint is NOT a valid excuse to nerf something. Numbers are always going to make a difference in battles. If they got 5 and you got 2, you have to work harder. 20vs10, 200vs50, etc.

[Skitzi]

The amount of march 09'ers and 08'ers talking out of their asses is incredible and you are a perfect example.

What sense does your post make? So only a certain subsection of the community is allowed to share views and opinions?

Perhaps pre 08'rs should be banned from contributing as they are a bunch of closed minded fucktards.

[GreedyTrooper]

Hahaha! Of course a large amount of mounted enemies is going to be effective! Haven't you ever heard of the phrase "The cavalry has arrived"? :lmao:

Oh, I do think they should be limited on how many mounts they can carry on them though. Five is a bit excessive...

[Eimstein]

Rend, crouch attach, strafe around a tree plinking on them w/ archery = mounted player gets owned.

[Vap0rware]

Rend, crouch attach, strafe around a tree plinking on them w/ archery = mounted player gets owned.

^ This. If YOU are having issues against mounts, that's a problem on YOUR end, not the games.

[Thundertrod]

i one of the worst PvP player but 1v1 vs me and your mounted I will kill your mount and you probbly wont hit me while mounted.

Once your on foot I am dead meat. if you dismount to kill me I will just steel you mount and run away.

singel mounts are vary easy to doge. Three or more are not.
But since mounts slow combat dowen it easer for groups not to hit each outher while mounted.

[Maas]

I've killed a ton of guys 1v1 on a mount.

Anyone who is halfway decent at PvP can easily destroy a mount. There are a few distinct options.

1) Arrow down the rider
2) Strafe out of the way and down the horse
3) Jump a lot and kill rider and horse


Mounts are situational/n00b use weapons. People who just run in straight lines, or walk right into back-kicks are the only ones who need to worry about mounts.

[Viluin]

This is still fine. Nerfing something because of a group size complaint is NOT a valid excuse to nerf something. Numbers are always going to make a difference in battles. If they got 5 and you got 2, you have to work harder. 20vs10, 200vs50, etc.

Yes, I'm not complaining about being unable to win, what I mean is there is no way to escape such a fight. Even if they spot you from miles away, they'll catch up and kill you eventually.

[xpiher]

to dodge mount attacks strafe while ducking = GG

[grybranix]

Looks like the OP started playing at around the same time I did, and is at the same point.

I'm a new player who's been here about 2 weeks. I'm having trouble myself dealing with the mounts in Alfar territory. I was able to handle one well enough to make him run away even though I was naked with no ranged weapon (only a greatclub).

Can you give me any more advice? I came to the conclusion tonight that in order to survive solo, I need a mount.

[xpiher]

Looks like the OP started playing at around the same time I did, and is at the same point.

I'm a new player who's been here about 2 weeks. I'm having trouble myself dealing with the mounts in Alfar territory. I was able to handle one well enough to make him run away even though I was naked with no ranged weapon (only a greatclub).

Can you give me any more advice? I came to the conclusion tonight that in order to survive solo, I need a mount.

Crouch attack, jump from side to side, hit mount with arrows/magic = win

[McDoogs]

Mounts are just fine except that they offer the player an almost foolproof way to avoid any fight. 2+ mounts is pvp invincibility

[Arkdin]

I think the best way to help balance mounts would be to slightly decrease their movement speed as they get injured. It doesn't have to be a huge decrease either, a small one is almost all that is needed. Currently if people are skilled and don't get owned by cover its fairly easy to kill a mount. I think maybe ~5% less speed as the mount got below 2/3 and 10% less when he got below 1/3.

[Settra]

I have no problem at all with mounts. I have never fought on one tho. But I havent had problems with them in pvp. So I dont see why people are crying like babies.

[Tren]

Hahaha! Of course a large amount of mounted enemies is going to be effective! Haven't you ever heard of the phrase "The cavalry has arrived"? :lmao:

Oh, I do think they should be limited on how many mounts they can carry on them though. Five is a bit excessive...

Just make mounts heavier to carry, so carrying 5 of them will be more than half of your carrying limit :)

And speaking as someone who has taken part in mounted raids but mostly fights on foot with a polearm and bow, Excluding being outnumberd (DUH) I can say mounts are only a problem if you are caught out in the open, and thats how it should be. you would be supprised to see the number of people that just try to out run you by running in a straight line!?

If you are unmounted shoot at the mount, they are fairly big targets and easy to take down, if a rider is closing down on you, use the landscape and obstacles, better yet get in some water, as in water you can move faster on foot than the mounted rider and you can dive and attack them from underneath and they can't do anything about it. If they don't follow u in the water (and lets face it they shouldn't if they have any sense) just sit in the water and shoot the mount.

If you have to fight on foot out in the open, its actually quite easy to sidestep the attack by going to their offhand side at the last second and attack the side of the mount yourself as it goes past.

I agree that the mount's own attack should probably go or be reduced, I guess its only there to provide a way of defending yourself on a mount if you are not a 1h'er

[Zenith]

To me it seems that the only valid argument I have heard in this thread is that you can not get away from a group of riders. This makes perfect sense. they are a group of players, on a mount/cat/drake/pig, you are alone/in a smaller group, not on a mount. They have one of the few real advantages, being able to ride in a higher speed. Stop whining and make sure you are safe instead.

[Arkh]

Just bring a bow.
That. Mounted players loose their mounts against unmounted ones. The things are huge targets and can't turn quickly.

[Nicholai Pestot]

In the open mount> on foot

With cover available on foot > mount

With water nearby foot>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mount

If you hear a mount approaching get to some cover or get to some water, then just arrow them to fuck.

[Beltara]

Mounts < bows

Besides it's relatively easy to avoid strikes from mount.

[Tren]

In the open mount> on foot

With cover available on foot > mount

With water nearby foot>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mount

If you hear a mount approaching get to some cover or get to some water, then just arrow them to fuck.

hmmm to be fair with the mounts own attack for 50hp i would say it was more like

Out in the open: mount > foot
Amongst obstacles: mount == foot
In water: foot >>> mount

Its all down to maneuverability and the ablity to position yourself for a strike.

If the mount could'nt attack then the guy on foot would definitely have an advantage amongst obstacles.

[Nicholai Pestot]

hmmm to be fair with the mounts own attack for 50hp i would say it was more like

Out in the open: mount > foot
Amongst obstacles: mount == foot
In water: foot >>> mount

Its all down to maneuverability and the ablity to position yourself for a strike.

If the mount could'nt attack then the guy on foot would definitely have an advantage amongst obstacles.

The mount attack can only be used when the mount is standing still.

If someones problem with fighting mounts is that they are being hit by mount attacks, then the only way to fix that is to replace the processing component between the keyboard and chair.

[xtibian]

This is so wrong I killed a guy the other day 1v1 he was mounted and I wasn't. I used a hit and run tactic and it worked great. It is not very easy to hit someone from mounted when they don't want to be hit. All I did was run from him until I heard him get close then turned dodged his attack and took 2-3 swings at his mount with my sword. His mount died then he did I was still 3/4 life because he didn't hit me to much. I think it works fine.

[yuppy]

It's just that most mounted players are in groups, in which case you have no chance of escaping. The only thing you can try is jump in the water (Mounts can't dive) and hope you can steal a mount when one of them gets off.

thats how I got my first mount ;-p

[Tren]

The mount attack can only be used when the mount is standing still.

If someones problem with fighting mounts is that they are being hit by mount attacks, then the only way to fix that is to replace the processing component between the keyboard and chair.

Are you telling me you never get to use mount attack?
In enclosed spaces mount attack is very usefull, and I believe it evens out the fight. Without it you could be boxed in more easily (against a tree etc).

[themtheory]

i like the speed reduction idea when the mount is (really) low hp

and i dislike the fact that pple can use more than one mount in a single fight, this should be changed imo

other than that, seems fine, yes

[Jug'Muk]

Yea...Im on foot, you on a mount, Your mount is toast. Its not impossible to hold out against 2-3 mounted by yourself for a while.

Stay to their sides, Keep your target between you and his friends. Im less worried about a few riders coming at me than footmen.

If im on a mount, Ill hit you when you duck....thats a misconception that will go away once more players figure out how to use mounts correctly (Its like enchanting...very easy solution, just not many have figured it out)

They are balanced fine.

[Zaedroth]

Mounts are just for chasing people and for crossing distances quick. In combat, archery > mounts. If a guy with a bow know what he is doing, that mount is toast.

[Armagetiton]

Its like hitting a wall while going fast in a car. If your going 10 mph you might get a dent. If you hit it at 100 mph, your car is totalled.

bit off topic, but I have to say it. Going 10 mph into a wall will total your car. 1mph will give you a dent.

[Nicholai Pestot]

Are you telling me you never get to use mount attack?
In enclosed spaces mount attack is very usefull, and I believe it evens out the fight. Without it you could be boxed in more easily (against a tree etc).

As someone on foot, that would be your fault for moving into an enclosed space where a mount can get to you and you cannot escape.

I primarily fight on foot myself, simply because mounts are so poor for anything but escape or re-deployment.

In larger engagments it gets even worse. Multiple footmen can arrow down a single guy on a mount very quickly, while the people on mounts cannot focus their attacks to anywhere near the same amount.

[Karter]

Forget taking mounts out of the game, just implement a "ground plant" attack for polearms. You know what i'm talking about, your stick the butt end of the polearm into the ground and if the mounted rider should be stupid enough to still run at you and your aim is true, BAM Mount insta dead, rider thrown from the saddle, possible little stun? Maybe have it take your polearm out of your hands also, forcing you to use another weapon, or maybe loot the dead mount for your weapon back..

one of the best ideas Ive read yet.

"Form a Phalanx!"

/sign

[Floyd]

I believe the best solution is to get your own fucking mount.

[aliundro]

Mounts are not imbalanced. Get a mount and shut up.

[Viluin]

As someone on foot, that would be your fault for moving into an enclosed space where a mount can get to you and you cannot escape.


But that's just stupid. I'll be damned if a knight on a horse can ride into my house and kick my ass without getting off the damn horse.

[yuppy]

the thing is about the mounts, they allow to escape if you are ever behind in the battle.

so its really riskless fighting if you dont suck- 0 risk lotsa reward

[Fenrir-hai]

The amount of march 09'ers and 08'ers talking out of their asses is incredible and you are a perfect example.

Darkfall came out in 09, joining the forum in 08 before the game came out doesn't affect your skill. Duh.

[Thundertrod]

darkfall gat a masive flood of stupid people in 08, Has such every 08 is considerd stupid till proven outherwise

[Cryhavoc]

Currently Mounts are equivalent to an "I Win" button. 67 points damage at start of fight, 50 from Mount and 17 from 1 hander. Too fast for foot soldiers to catch, all they have to do is ride back and forth 3-4 times and foot soldier dead man.

I have tried many times to kill mount before that happens and even in crouch mode but no change in result. I like the idea of sticking weapon in ground and impaling the mount, 1 shot.

Looking forward to the rebalancing.........

[[O]_Fawkes]

But that's just stupid. I'll be damned if a knight on a horse can ride into my house and kick my ass without getting off the damn horse.

That's why you throw down some tri-pointed jacks and kick ass Alexander style.

[FunWithDrugs]

I'm not sure about that, but there does need to be a disadvantage for the mount. Right now equipment is trumping player skill by a wide margin.


Mounts die easily. They are very viable for hit and run tactics, but not for toe to toe pvp. This is the disadvantage.

Edit: for people that say mounts are OP, have you tried using a mount? it isn't that easy to hit someone on foot (assuming they dont just stand there, or run in a straight line like a tool) and arrows tear through you. Again, they have tactical advantages, but they are far from an 'I win' button.

[DwellerBelow]

The amount of march 09'ers and 08'ers talking out of their asses is incredible and you are a perfect example.

Said the ass from 07, stfu.

At this point, waiting your ass in line for 8 years means not very much, anybody who has played the game can make a sensible comment, a comment totaly unlike yours.

[Mutant Messiah]

darkfall gat a masive flood of stupid people in 08, Has such every 08 is considerd stupid till proven outherwise

You have been typing on these English-Speaking forums since 03... and you still can't spell? Who's stupid?

And as for mounts, add a spawn timer, that is exactly the same duration as the despawn timer and mounts are fixed. Mounted combat is not the problem, it is the fact that anyone can get away from any fight if they have a mount IN THEIR INVENTORY, don't let people insta-spawn a mount, hop on it and run for 30 minutes using the "parry exploit" to a noob town for protection.

[Mutant Messiah]

Mounts die easily. They are very viable for hit and run tactics, but not for toe to toe pvp. This is the disadvantage.

Edit: for people that say mounts are OP, have you tried using a mount? it isn't that easy to hit someone on foot (assuming they dont just stand there, or run in a straight line like a tool) and arrows tear through you. Again, they have tactical advantages, but they are far from an 'I win' button.

I agree that they are not an "I win button" but they are definitely an "I run" button... Welcome to "runfall".

[DwellerBelow]

Currently Mounts are equivalent to an "I Win" button. 67 points damage at start of fight, 50 from Mount and 17 from 1 hander. Too fast for foot soldiers to catch, all they have to do is ride back and forth 3-4 times and foot soldier dead man.

I have tried many times to kill mount before that happens and even in crouch mode but no change in result. I like the idea of sticking weapon in ground and impaling the mount, 1 shot.

Looking forward to the rebalancing.........

First learn to jump.

Mounts are easy to jump over.

Second, get a bow.

Third, stand your ground, if you run from a faster opponent you lose.

Most mounted riders will try to flee if their mount gets wounded, take advantage of this for your own survival.

Too many people here are applying a one-size fits all solution to combat, and crying when it does not work.

[Leg enD]

polearm > mounts.


/thread

[Viluin]

First learn to jump.

Mounts are easy to jump over.

Second, get a bow.

Third, stand your ground, if you run from a faster opponent you lose.

Most mounted riders will try to flee if their mount gets wounded, take advantage of this for your own survival.

Too many people here are applying a one-size fits all solution to combat, and crying when it does not work.

You can jump over mounted players? What race are you, hill giant?

[Bearon]

If the guy that is unmounted has arrows and any sort of skill, the mount will be dead before it's a factor. The fight will then be unmounted vs unmounted.

this is not true . I fired 4 arrows into one and its hlth dropped to perhaps 80% the mounts dont take a LOT of damage.

Its possible to kill a mounted player, But u have to dodge well and try to stay far away from his sides or back.

[FastEddy]

If you have you two mounts then mounts are the best way to fight in combat.

Ride in on a mount, fight until it dies, meanwhile you do hopefully at least 1/3 damage to said player. He has no stamina when your mount dies, you run after him with bow while he spams mana to stam and kill him.

Essentially you trade a mount for a pk.

[Hellmoob]

You can jump over mounted players? What race are you, hill giant?

lol'd.

I've had a lot of experience with mounted combat, and a halfway decent guy on foot will still shred my mount if he uses the terrain a little. In an open area he's fucked, because to dodge effectively (and I don't mean duck/strafing or jump attacking, it's easy to hit anyone but an Alfar who does that and even they aren't invulnerable) you have to blow a pretty huge load of stam. Even one hit is a good 30+ damage, and if I land a kick (some people really are daft enough to strafe behind me) you might as well just AFK.

However, abuse the mount's shitty turn rate and limited range of movement (go run your mount into an object. Now see how long it takes to get away from that object. If a guy is attacking you while you back up like a delivery truck, you're fucked) and it's practically a sure win.

[FunWithDrugs]

I agree that they are not an "I win button" but they are definitely an "I run" button... Welcome to "runfall".



why -shouldn't- they be? If a mount doesn't add mobility then wtf good is it?

[Elorn]

Mounts are situational/n00b use weapons. People who just run in straight lines, or walk right into back-kicks are the only ones who need to worry about mounts.

Exactly...

Seriously, the only people I can see complaining about mounts being too strong are WoW noobs with absolutely no FPS skills who just value everything by the amount of damage it does, completely ignoring it's effect on your mobility.

[fariic]

The amount of march 09'ers and 08'ers talking out of their asses is incredible and you are a perfect example.


Because creating a forum account 2 years before a game releases makes you so much more intelligent then everyone else.

You're a dickhead.

I don't see any problem with mounted combat.
A group of orcs, about 6 of them, tried to run down a bunch of dwarves; most of wich were naked. The orcs fled without a single kill.

Learn to stay to the shield side of the mount.

[Hellmoob]

Learn to stay to the shield side of the mount.

Um, learn to lean left?

[Vexrak]

That the build of the mounted combatant, 1h plus shield. If you want to be effective in PVP you have to have a mount.

Unmounted v mounted is not impossible, but its much tougher, making the logical choice to take a 1her so you can attack from your mount instead of using a polearm.

We need more options for mounted combat.

Only noobs fight mounted there are VERY few situations where it is more beneficial to fight mounted rather than unmounted.

[Darkfire58]

That the build of the mounted combatant, 1h plus shield. If you want to be effective in PVP you have to have a mount.

Unmounted v mounted is not impossible, but its much tougher, making the logical choice to take a 1her so you can attack from your mount instead of using a polearm.

We need more options for mounted combat.

Fighting on mounts is usually only good for chasing people down, as mounts always get raped by archers. A couple volleys of arrows from a 5 man group will down a mount easily assuming all shots hit.

[Crindle]

I agree with Vexrax.

Mount vs me on foot I will own you each time using a melee or arrows or magic.

[Arcador]

Keep another thing in mind

1) 99% of the mount users use the stamina bug (even unintentinally) resulting them of retaining a considerable portion of stamina otherwise they will lose.

2) with your character developement your healt, stamina, damange output will rise, while the mount HP and speed will stay the same.

3) It is out of the box game with out of the box type of movement/combat. THINK outside of the box.

[Teth]

Fighting mounted is a pain in the ass; the forward attack is too touchy to use, lining up weapon attacks requires fiddly lean adjusting that seems to like to reset itself at inopportune times, and the rear attack requires all kinds of extra footwork. Whenever I am doing serious killing-work, I dismount. Du Picq is justified. :p

That said, I wish there was damn mounted archery in place just so I wouldn't have to put up with these hour-long comedy chases on mountback...Christ.

Try to chase after them on a mount, and unless they fuck up somehow you're never going to catch them. Try to dismount to pincushion their mount, and either they jack your mount or they use the opportunity to get an even bigger lead on you. Pain in the ass overall, and the only solution seems to be either (A) preventing the other guy from mounting up in the first place, (B) having extra people with you to cut the chased party off somehow, or (C) having extra people with you to quickly alpha-strike the mount out from underneath the escapee before they can use their speed advantage to put enough distance in between you and them.

So two of three are basically contingent on zergballing. Not cool. :/

[Atnas]

Fighting mounted is a pain in the ass; the forward attack is too touchy to use, lining up weapon attacks requires fiddly lean adjusting that seems to like to reset itself at inopportune times, and the rear attack requires all kinds of extra footwork. Whenever I am doing serious killing-work, I dismount. Du Picq is justified. :p

That said, I wish there was damn mounted archery in place just so I wouldn't have to put up with these hour-long comedy chases on mountback...Christ.

Try to chase after them on a mount, and unless they fuck up somehow you're never going to catch them. Try to dismount to pincushion their mount, and either they jack your mount or they use the opportunity to get an even bigger lead on you. Pain in the ass overall, and the only solution seems to be either (A) preventing the other guy from mounting up in the first place, (B) having extra people with you to cut the chased party off somehow, or (C) having extra people with you to quickly alpha-strike the mount out from underneath the escapee before they can use their speed advantage to put enough distance in between you and them.

So two of three are basically contingent on zergballing. Not cool. :/

I think it sucks a bit that you can't catch up to a guy on a mount, ever. No way. Even if you do manage to catch up somehow, all you have to do is get a few inches ahead of the guy behinf you and you're safe again.

[Zutha]

Players should at least receive some damage from falling on there face when a mount dies.

[Viluin]

I think it sucks a bit that you can't catch up to a guy on a mount, ever. No way. Even if you do manage to catch up somehow, all you have to do is get a few inches ahead of the guy behinf you and you're safe again.

I think it sucks that people on mounts can spot you from miles away and STILL catch you. Being seen from any distance by a mounted gank squad is certain death. All you can do is head to water and hope they can't be arsed to chase you. But if they want you dead you will be.

[Atnas]

I think it sucks that people on mounts can spot you from miles away and STILL catch you. Being seen from any distance by a mounted gank squad is certain death. All you can do is head to water and hope they can't be arsed to chase you. But if they want you dead you will be.

If mounts couldn't even chase down players on foot, what would you have them do?

[Viluin]

If mounts couldn't even chase down players on foot, what would you have them do?

Yes, but right now there's absolutely no escape from mounted players at all except for towers in starter towns. The terrain etc doesn't matter, if they want to catch you they will, always.

Part of the problem is that people can unsummon their mounts in a few seconds to immediately follow you where mounts can't really go. If the timer was longer they wouldn't just be able to chase you forever through any terrain without abandoning their mount.

[Atnas]

Yes, but right now there's absolutely no escape from mounted players at all except for towers in starter towns. The terrain etc doesn't matter, if they want to catch you they will, always.

That's true, I guess. The only real "escape" is to fight them off, and most of the time they roll in groups... which means you need one aswell.

Such is the design of the game, which sort of sucks.

[DivineX]

Mounts are necessary for any PVPer but certainly not because of mounted combat. Anyone who thinks a (skilled) mounted player can beat an (skilled) unmounted one vs one is mistaken.

[Yakamoz]

Yes, but right now there's absolutely no escape from mounted players at all except for towers in starter towns. The terrain etc doesn't matter, if they want to catch you they will, always.

Part of the problem is that people can unsummon their mounts in a few seconds to immediately follow you where mounts can't really go. If the timer was longer they wouldn't just be able to chase you forever through any terrain without abandoning their mount.
I know your pain Viluin, few days ago I got spotted by three member of Inquisition clan in an open. I was hunting a centaurs when I noticed them in the far. I tried to crouch behind near rock but it was hopeless. On a mount you can look around freely, without changing direction of the ride. Only thing I could do was try to catch a breath after a last fight with the centaurs and die like a man.
Conclusion: don't go in the high risk areas ( it means 90 % of my hunting spots ) alone, always have a guy who is going to watch our for incoming people and carry a mount by yourself. If you manage to see them incoming fast enough that's the only way to escape.

[gmornin]

WTH Viluin how much does your whining about not being able to escape have to get owned by real pvpers in this thread for you to let it go? You normally make much more sense.

Only reason why your not getting flamed to hell is becuase your an 05. well I will STHU.

You repeat the same " problem " over and over and its BS. Do anything to mounts as they stand now and they'll be gimped for anything other than travel. We could argue they already are.

Start killing mounts instead of trying to figure out some way to get away from it. and exactly how are they catching you anyway? I can damn near sprint for 5 mins with NO resin..

edit - and or keep a mount yourself in your pocket to run with. I mean really man..yeesh

you get a -1 here.

[swiftjbc]

mounts drop in under 20 seconds vs. 2 ppl with bows who are complete scrubs.

[Viluin]

WTH Viluin how much does your whining about not being able to escape have to get owned by real pvpers in this thread for you to let it go? You normally make much more sense.

Only reason why your not getting flamed to hell is becuase your an 05. well I will STHU.

You repeat the same " problem " over and over and its BS. Do anything to mounts as they stand now and they'll be gimped for anything other than travel. We could argue they already are.

Start killing mounts instead of trying to figure out some way to get away from it. and exactly how are they catching you anyway? I can damn near sprint for 5 mins with NO resin..

edit - and or keep a mount yourself in your pocket to run with. I mean really man..yeesh

you get a -1 here.

Yeah, let's make a mount essential for survival, good idea man.

Not.

How about making mounts unable to climb mountains and unable to be put in your fucking backpack in like 2 seconds (Wtf Aventurine?). Bringing out a mount should be some sort of commitment, don't bring it out unless you're planning to use it for the remainder of a fight. Calling and storing a mount should take much longer, at least 20-30 seconds.

Right now mounted groups ride around, and when they spot you from 57349 miles away, without even facing you because of the rotating camera, they chase you for a minute or two until they've caught up. Then they get off their mounts, store them and arrow you to death. If you try to escape into the water they store their mounts and swim after you. As soon as you're back on land they take out their mounts and chase you again. Your ONLY hope is guard towers unless you can kill 5 mounts all by yourself. Mounts are ridiculous now. People with mounts shouldn't just be able to chase you anywhere you go, mounts should have clumsy movement that can't be circumvented by putting the thing in your backpack in 2 seconds.

[Vtech]

Its like hitting a wall while going fast in a car. If your going 10 mph you might get a dent. If you hit it at 100 mph, your car is totalled.

Obviously you never hit a wall going 100 mph... Your car will be the last thing you worry about if you ever do that... Actually, you will never worry about anything again.

[Shinimas]

Obviously you never hit a wall going 100 mph... Your car will be the last thing you worry about if you ever do that... Actually, you will never worry about anything again.

You sound like you did.

Who knows, if one does that, maybe the higher race comes after him and grants him inhuman powers, makes him a living god that goes into halls of everlasting joy. They just leave a mashed human carcass that looks like it belonged to the man to confuse the lower people.

...

[MrShine]

Right now mounted groups ride around, and when they spot you from 57349 miles away, without even facing you because of the rotating camera, they chase you for a minute or two until they've caught up. Then they get off their mounts, store them and arrow you to death. If you try to escape into the water they store their mounts and swim after you. As soon as you're back on land they take out their mounts and chase you again. Your ONLY hope is guard towers unless you can kill 5 mounts all by yourself. Mounts are ridiculous now. People with mounts shouldn't just be able to chase you anywhere you go, mounts should have clumsy movement that can't be circumvented by putting the thing in your backpack in 2 seconds.

It has already been established that 1v1 mounted vs unmounted is very circumstantial, but unmounted tends to have an advantage.

You keep bringing up the image of a mounted gank squad running an unmounted player down. I'm sorry, but I don't see why that's a problem. If you get outnumbered by a quicker team of players, you should be fucked. You yourself have already mentioned that there are still solutions in these situations (getting to water/heading to a safer location such as a city).

Let me put it this way. If you get jumped by an unmounted gank squad without a mount, you are just as boned as if you get jumped by a gank squad with mounts. The only difference is the 'I'm fucked' radius of death, which is much larger if the enemies are mounted. The easy solution to this would be of course to bring a mount for safety or to hunt with friends. You might not like it, but if you want to be prepared for faster enemies you'll need to adapt.

On a few points though I do agree with you. First, I think the 'free look' offered to mounted players is a huge advantage, and I hope AV takes a long hard look at it. I don't get why the locked view mode isn't used while mounted just like in any other combat scenario.

Second, I would love to see mounts take longer to summon. I'm ok with the despawn timer being as it is now (since 2 seconds of showing your back to the enemy is rarely worth it in heated battles), but if it took 5 seconds to summon a mount it would be much riskier to just pop out a mount when you are in over your head. A change like this would help force people to commit to being on foot or mounted.

[FunWithDrugs]

I actually think mounts should have MORE health.

They die too fast to be really combat viable.

I've been fairly successful in mounted hit and run type attacks, but much less frequently in a toe-to-toe especially against multiple targets.

Don't even think about mounted combat vs mobs, because you'll get fucking rocked unless you are using some sort of terrain advantage/glitch or exploit.

IF mount health was increased substantially, then spawn/despawn timer might be a reasonable balance solution. As it stands, speed is a mounts primary (some might say only) advantage, and taking that away is quite simply ridiculous.

Mount armor would probably be an intelligent medium, in which case, you could increase the longevity of your mount, but when it dies, it is much more costly(let's assume the armor can't be recovered, or even if it can, that means a corpse to loot before you can fight, or continue running from your would-be murderers.)

[Getalife]

The amount of march 09'ers and 08'ers talking out of their asses is incredible and you are a perfect example.

Your a fucking retard. Your 3 months shy of being an 08er yourself.

[Viluin]

It has already been established that 1v1 mounted vs unmounted is very circumstantial, but unmounted tends to have an advantage.

You keep bringing up the image of a mounted gank squad running an unmounted player down. I'm sorry, but I don't see why that's a problem. If you get outnumbered by a quicker team of players, you should be fucked. You yourself have already mentioned that there are still solutions in these situations (getting to water/heading to a safer location such as a city).

Let me put it this way. If you get jumped by an unmounted gank squad without a mount, you are just as boned as if you get jumped by a gank squad with mounts. The only difference is the 'I'm fucked' radius of death, which is much larger if the enemies are mounted. The easy solution to this would be of course to bring a mount for safety or to hunt with friends. You might not like it, but if you want to be prepared for faster enemies you'll need to adapt.

On a few points though I do agree with you. First, I think the 'free look' offered to mounted players is a huge advantage, and I hope AV takes a long hard look at it. I don't get why the locked view mode isn't used while mounted just like in any other combat scenario.

Second, I would love to see mounts take longer to summon. I'm ok with the despawn timer being as it is now (since 2 seconds of showing your back to the enemy is rarely worth it in heated battles), but if it took 5 seconds to summon a mount it would be much riskier to just pop out a mount when you are in over your head. A change like this would help force people to commit to being on foot or mounted.

The problem is not with being jumped by players. If you get jumped you should die, yes. The problem is these mounted gank squads can spot you from miles away and still catch you if they want. Water is no escape, it's just a deterrent. Some will give up because they can't be bothered. However, if they want to they'll still catch you eventually, they can dismount to swim after you and mount again when you reach land. Towers are the only possible escape, which is just wrong.

[MrShine]

The problem is not with being jumped by players. If you get jumped you should die, yes. The problem is these mounted gank squads can spot you from miles away and still catch you if they want. Water is no escape, it's just a deterrent. Some will give up because they can't be bothered. However, if they want to they'll still catch you eventually, they can dismount to swim after you and mount again when you reach land. Towers are the only possible escape, which is just wrong.

I've agreed that the free-look camera and the ability to summon a mount instantly both could use some work, but I guess I don't really understand what you actually want changed regarding mount speed. :confused:

You can't take away the speed advantage of mounts; they should be able to outrun someone on foot, period. I know you mentioned that going up hills should slow mounts down more, but I think that their susceptibility to water and dense restricted areas is sufficient. Terrain can already be effectively used to beat a mounted player, I don't think it needs much more.

So I'd recommend you find a group, buy a mount, or stock up on major stamina potions and food and book it to the nearest city at the first sign of a mounted gank squad. Or stand your ground and fight of course :)

[Viluin]

I've agreed that the free-look camera and the ability to summon a mount instantly both could use some work, but I guess I don't really understand what you actually want changed regarding mount speed. :confused:

You can't take away the speed advantage of mounts; they should be able to outrun someone on foot, period. I know you mentioned that going up hills should slow mounts down more, but I think that their susceptibility to water and dense restricted areas is sufficient. Terrain can already be effectively used to beat a mounted player, I don't think it needs much more.

So I'd recommend you find a group, buy a mount, or stock up on major stamina potions and food and book it to the nearest city at the first sign of a mounted gank squad. Or stand your ground and fight of course :)

I never said anything about mount speed.

[shaystamang]

If i have a bow, I can take down 1 guy on a mount easy. It's so easy to dodge his hits while repeatedly nailing his mount, you really can't miss.

[MAD-DUKE]

There is extra benefit and disadvantage to having a mount, although people are stuck with WoW Mount complex and they cant understand why mounts are allowed in combat altogether. Get over it, adapt and deal. I prefer mounted players over dismounted. I'm not even a good pvper in any sense but dodging a mounted players attacks is noob proof and I am solid evidence of that.

[MogeSZ]

Forget taking mounts out of the game, just implement a "ground plant" attack for polearms. You know what i'm talking about, your stick the butt end of the polearm into the ground and if the mounted rider should be stupid enough to still run at you and your aim is true, BAM Mount insta dead, rider thrown from the saddle, possible little stun? Maybe have it take your polearm out of your hands also, forcing you to use another weapon, or maybe loot the dead mount for your weapon back..

That's actually not too bad an idea. After all, that is the most effective way infantry dealt with cavalry in hand to hand combat. Besides cutting saddle straps and such.

[MogeSZ]

Obviously you never hit a wall going 100 mph... Your car will be the last thing you worry about if you ever do that... Actually, you will never worry about anything again.

I was in a head on collision , it was a 40mph road and some old biddy, must have been in her late 70's early80's, looks to her right and veers left over a double yellow line and we hit driver's side front to driver's side front. It sucked, I don't recommend it.

Two vehicles hitting head on at 40 each is like an 80mph collision with a stationary object.

[zoolio]

I was in a head on collision , it was a 40mph road and some old biddy, must have been in her late 70's early80's, looks to her right and veers left over a double yellow line and we hit driver's side front to driver's side front. It sucked, I don't recommend it.

Two vehicles hitting head on at 40 each is like an 80mph collision with a stationary object.

Sorry to hear about your accident, but for accuracy, two similar cars hitting head on at 40mph brings to the collision about as much energy as one car moving at 56.57mph. The 56.57mph car will be in worse state, however, assuming both 40mph cars absorb half of the impact energy each.

[Piranha]

If you get outnumbered by a quicker team of players, you should be fucked.


And whats quicker than a mount then? When should be mounted players fucked?

mount = 99.9% avoid combat, thats where mechanics dont work

[chodie4u]

Mostly me and my grp use mounts just to faster move on map when we see grp we unmount and shot bows then engage melle and continue fighting when enemiers mount up there is no chance mounted guy can escape 2 players shoting bow.. no there is not dont tell i can escape you just cant.:)

Can someone translate this sentence in to English for me?

[keeperofstars]

I love fighting mounts, if anything it is gratifying to watch me drop the guys mount, then him.

Mounts are so easy to kill, I have killed around 200 mounts in this game and only about 40 players.

Mounted combatants usually suck and are easy prey, especially if you get there mount low and they start running off.

My best record so far was 3 mounted players vs me. Took down 2 mounts stole the 3rd, and finished off 2 players before the 3rd guy took me down.

The only thing they need to do is fix the mount stamina bug. Once that is fixed mounted combat is less viable.

[Snog]

My beef with mounts is that AoE attacks don't seem to damage both mount and rider. It's like a free HP shield + speed buff for the rider :(
Still, I love killing mounts.