anyone agree..nerf polearm?

[mirathul]

yeah i know i get flamed by all those that uses them, but you know its OP...so forget it, if you defend it your going to look retarded, make weapons more equal, some longer range, some wider range, som hit harder, some with Knock back, not ONE weapon that have it all, kind of.. anyone else agree?

[Serio889]

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Polearms are situational... yeah they're great when you're fighting alone against more than 1 person. But because of the slow speed in group fighting it's difficult to overhead with a polearm.

[turtledontcry]

agreed. in group fight other weapon is better

[Toecutter]

Nerf calls are bad period, stop the fucking whining and learn to deal with it sonny.

How was that?

[retrospect]

You posted the same thing in 2 other forums that i have seen so far. All of them the exact same cry for a nerf.

The people who cry for nerfs are never happy. Even if you nerf something they will just cry about something else. The people who get nerfed are never happy. You just took something away from them. So Nerfing = Bad. No dev should ever listen to players who mains concern is what other people have.

"But her piece of cake is bigger! What? No i don't want a bigger one. Just take away half of hers."

[AimAce]

Please nerf everyone who attacks me. I hate it when they deal more dmg than me. No, polearms should not be nerfed, they should be buffed, because they suck ass.

[Moshland]

Nerf calls are bad period, stop the fucking whining and learn to deal with it sonny.

How was that?

well said

[Spyder0527]

Please nerf everyone who attacks me. I hate it when they deal more dmg than me. No, polearms should not be nerfed, they should be buffed, because they suck ass.

That's going a little too far. Weapons all have their advantages and disadvantages.

[dpoulson]

I've noticed an extra large portion of the online population use polarms.

I'm not calling it over powered because I haven't experimented with one myself, but if it is one thing I have noticed in MMOs is that the majority seem to travel the path of the least resistance.

[Daveraa]

You do see a lot of pole arm users out there, this may be because they are actually the best overall weapon. Or it may be that they are simply the most obviously high damaging weapon and therefore very easy to use. Also people tend to follow the crowd in this regard.

Personally I've beaten pretty much every pole arm user I've fought on even terms.

[The Dark Zealot]

funny how the OP was right, about you all looking retarded defending an obviosily overpowered weapon, what are you going to say next? the polearm isnt overpowered, everything else is just underpowered?

[Toecutter]

funny how the OP was right, about you all looking retarded defending an obviosily overpowered weapon, what are you going to say next? the polearm isnt overpowered, everything else is just underpowered?

I'm defending not making the game a nerf battle, because the players always lose that battle. And fyi I started with polarms and have dropped it for sword & board, so fuck you!

[GRCPan]

No, but they should nerf archery. 34 damage by an alfar is 50% more damage than my polearm attacks.

[Niburu]

Use 1h/Shield agaianst Polearms, work's very well

[Jawsome]

I heard GreatSwords Pwn Polearms.

[retrospect]

funny how the OP was right, about you all looking retarded defending an obviosily overpowered weapon, what are you going to say next? the polearm isnt overpowered, everything else is just underpowered?

No we are saying that polearms are being made out to be a super weapon when it is on the same level as most melee weapons. As in you are the only person outright agreeing with the OP who spammed a nerf cry thread in 3 different forums if you are looked for someone who sounds retarded look in the mirror.

Same as the poster a bit above me I started out polearm and just changed to 1 handers with shields i don't even use the things anymore. Polearms only seem overpowered if you don't understand wtf you are doing. It's just the easiest weapon for a nub to use well. It's has simple tactics that anyone can grasp.

[Magusto]

Your exactly right, I have notices how OP polearms are also.

[nosmas]

polearms are better if u r chasing some one

In a bunch fight its so easy to make some one grey and wack him

[Ori Disciple]

The only thing a "Nerf" does is hurt a game, so no nerfing.
Three questions for you:
1) Do YOU use it?
2) Can you use it? YES
3) Why arent you using it? (If your not)
Honestly, its not like WoW, where you cant do everything.
You can, so there is no reason for you to not use it as well

[Viluin]

I heard GreatSwords Pwn Polearms.

Greatswords are better for chasing runners. Polearms will win when blows are traded. Yesterday, I was wearing full banded and I was using a noob 2h sword. I got into a fight with a guy wearing leather and chain, he was using a noob polearm. It was VERY close quarters, so we basically ended up trading blows for a while because there was nowhere to go. Despite the armor difference he was atually beating me down slightly faster. We had roughly the same skill level. Polearms definitely dish out far more DPS than any other melee weapon, they have the most range and are the easiest to use because of the wide arc. Imo all two-handed weapons should dish out roughly the same DPS, or at least have different benefits.

I still love my Greatsword though, can't beat it when you're out hunting people.

[Coma-White]

Polearms are the most popular weapon because they are the most powerful weapon, they are not any slower then the greatsword and they do more damage. A person with a polearm and one with a greatsword could stand face to face hacking away with the same stats and the polearm would win everytime. My guild have tested many aspects yet we still prefer 2 handers just because I like an uphill battle as opposed to the edge in pvp. Maybe one day they will rightfully fix the speed of polearms but until then they will continue to be used by 3/4 of the population.

[Abremalist]

Meh, if you stand face to face and 'dumb-hack' at eachother without moving or blocking. It isn't really suprising that the guy with the biggest weapon wins?

[Jamboreen]

yeah i know i get flamed by all those that uses them, but you know its OP...so forget it, if you defend it your going to look retarded, make weapons more equal, some longer range, some wider range, som hit harder, some with Knock back, not ONE weapon that have it all, kind of.. anyone else agree?

Weapons are Balanced. Except maybe daggers.

Stop crying please.

[Skraylok]

Its called adjusting your play style to fight a polearm... A shield works many wonders.

[klokateer #7829]

2h swords attack faster and generate less FF, 2h maces hit harder and generate less FF.

what's the problem with PA again? they're like the middle kid no one cares about. except you. are you a middle kid that doesn't get enough attention?

[Coma-White]

Meh, if you stand face to face and 'dumb-hack' at eachother without moving or blocking. It isn't really suprising that the guy with the biggest weapon wins?

this would of course indicate balance, how you use them would then indicate skill. If weapon A always wins in a generic scenario it's not balanced.

Yes daggers need a buff, I agree.

[Daveraa]

this would of course indicate balance, how you use them would then indicate skill. If weapon A always wins in a generic scenario it's not balanced.

Yes daggers need a buff, I agree.

Or it means that that scenario favours the advantages of the polearm over the 2h sword. To be honest I don't know how a 2h sword performs, but still its hardly fair to claim that such an unlikely battle proves that one weapon is outright better than the other.

[Coma-White]

Its called adjusting your play style to fight a polearm... A shield works many wonders.

whats to adjust? Pole Arm people just spring by you swinging with it's massive range hitting you 75% of the time unless they are simply bad about aiming in a vacinity? None the less I do not lose to many polearm people but then again I solo most of the time and have a 2 to 1 KDR, where most of my deaths come from groups IE skill.

[Strontyd]

yeah i know i get flamed by all those that uses them, but you know its OP...so forget it, if you defend it your going to look retarded, make weapons more equal, some longer range, some wider range, som hit harder, some with Knock back, not ONE weapon that have it all, kind of.. anyone else agree?

posting in every forum doesnt mean you are going to get listened to, more likley you will get told to stfu.

dont see a problem myself, pole arms are a big weapon and will do more dmg than a sword.

[Coma-White]

Or it means that that scenario favours the advantages of the polearm over the 2h sword. To be honest I don't know how a 2h sword performs, but still its hardly fair to claim that such an unlikely battle proves that one weapon is outright better than the other.

I try to use logic, so I wish others would...

if things are "equal" they should have an "equal" chance of winning generically. If one side wins all the time its not equal, now mix one side winning all the time with evasion and ability to move. If 2 people circle each other and weapon A has the same speed, more dmg, wider hitbox... who most likely comes out the winner? As stated w/e I, use 2 Handed sword and have no plans to change but logic is logic and it's fact... I mean try yourself and prove it to youself.

If you want a real mean combo mix Polearm with Archery, peoples PA's dont work in group combat are out of their mind, how many guilds do you fight where theres only one PA guy... None... they all have PA's these days.

[fr0g]

You can't use it on a mount, so it is only situational for hybrid ground units. If you can't use it on a mount its not that great of a melee weapon.

[Lictor]

Greatswords are better for chasing runners. Polearms will win when blows are traded. Yesterday, I was wearing full banded and I was using a noob 2h sword. I got into a fight with a guy wearing leather and chain, he was using a noob polearm. It was VERY close quarters, so we basically ended up trading blows for a while because there was nowhere to go. Despite the armor difference he was atually beating me down slightly faster. We had roughly the same skill level. Polearms definitely dish out far more DPS than any other melee weapon, they have the most range and are the easiest to use because of the wide arc. Imo all two-handed weapons should dish out roughly the same DPS, or at least have different benefits.

I still love my Greatsword though, can't beat it when you're out hunting people.

With those circumstances (you: better armor and noob GS, him: shittier armor and noob PA) you must either suck at PvP or have a horrible ping. When you land all available GS swings on your enemy you should be able to kill polearm user.

[Viluin]

With those circumstances (you: better armor and noob GS, him: shittier armor and noob PA) you must either suck at PvP or have a horrible ping. When you land all available GS swings on your enemy you should be able to kill polearm user.

He was outdamaging me despite the fact that I had better armor. I told you, it was extremely close quarters so we were trading blows. I could hardly even move. We both landed all hits and I was going down faster than him.

Test it yourself. When all hits land, polearms do a lot more damage per second than greatswords, which makes no sense because they have no downside to them to make up for it.

[Agge]

Polearms are overated, I do use one myself but any other 2 handed would have done just fine.

Knifes are more effective in PvE and polearms are easely blocked in pvp.

[Harto]

Meh, if you stand face to face and 'dumb-hack' at eachother without moving or blocking. It isn't really suprising that the guy with the biggest weapon wins?


Actually yes it is, it has no relation to real life. The ancient Romans used shortswords for a reason. Because IRL you can't swing a long pole in crowded situations, it get's stuck. When you get in close, a long weapon like a polearm should become completely ineffective. Make the weapons have minimum ranges as well as maximum ranges.

[DwellerBelow]

Nerf calls are bad period, stop the fucking whining and learn to deal with it sonny.

How was that?

Hate to point this out, but you are QQing about someone elses' QQ.

Also, if polearm is not OP, then why do most folks use them?

That, is the killer point you just don't want to face.

[DwellerBelow]

Actually yes it is, it has no relation to real life. The ancient Romans used shortswords for a reason. Because IRL you can't swing a long pole in crowded situations, it get's stuck. When you get in close, a long weapon like a polearm should become completely ineffective. Make the weapons have minimum ranges as well as maximum ranges.

Wow, this.

Dude but you are too smart for these forums.

[NatMack]

Make weapons that hit walls, or trees stop the swing. That way if you are in close battles they wouldn't be able to swing on you like a lumberjack.

[Llewen]

funny how the OP was right, about you all looking retarded defending an obviosily overpowered weapon, what are you going to say next? the polearm isnt overpowered, everything else is just underpowered?

You might have hit on something here. Maybe an idea isn't to nerf polearms, but to buff everything else. Or perhaps the problem isn't polearms themselves. No matter what get's buffed or nerfed, there is always going to be one dominant template and combat style.

Many skilled pvp'rs have learnt a certain fighting style in fighting with polearms, and are doing extremely well with that style. What I need to do as someone who refuses to fight with polearms, is learn how to counter that style.

[Sonn Fere]

How about we quit crying nerf--and just make the other weapons better? A good PVPer with greatswords can easily take out a polearm. But either way, just make things like daggers less useless.

[Makestro]

Polearms are the most popular weapon because they are the most powerful weapon, they are not any slower then the greatsword and they do more damage.

I stopped right there you are a fucking retard.

You can get 2 swings with a great sword compared to the 1 swing from a polearm. Shut up.

[Toecutter]

Hate to point this out, but you are QQing about someone elses' QQ.

Also, if polearm is not OP, then why do most folks use them?

That, is the killer point you just don't want to face.

Asking them to please stop whining, or whining about them whining would've been me QQing, a statement telling them to shut the fuck up is exactly as it stands, a statement.

But truth be told, nerf calls are bad period. Lets hypothetically follow it through to conclusion.

If polearm range and/or damage was reduced they would then have the same or less range and/or damage than a great sword, but the great sword would now be faster, making it op. This would then make people nerf call on great swords, they could make them slower, like polarms, essentially making the new nerfed weapons the same... Now 1 handed weapons are faster and can anyone using one with a shield can easily block the slow swings from 2 handed weapons... 2 handed users nerf call 1h & shield... this merry-go-round continues until everything is a little bit shitter than it was before the first nerf.

[Phienyx]

I am not a user of pole arms and I have only tried it out one time against mobs because I happened to pick one up.

But I do not see any reason for them to be nerfed. And yes, I have been killed by them quite a few times.

[Viluin]

How about we quit crying nerf--and just make the other weapons better? A good PVPer with greatswords can easily take out a polearm. But either way, just make things like daggers less useless.

Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that the polearm is still superior in every way. If I didn't hate the knockback effect I would use a polearm too.

[gievo]

Im not in the game yet....I Just have to say that.....if you look at world of warcraft, it is a great example of people whinning that the other class should get nurfed. Really what im going at here is that in WoW basically every class, can fight by itself, including healer classes, now dont get me wrong, this is fun for some people. But the more eqaul you make everything, the less flavor it has.
Why not make all weapons have the same damage and the same range and the same effects, but only give them different animations and models. Hey now nothing is overpowered but all the weapons do the same damn thing. Next thing that you will complain about is that, the polearm looks cooler than "sword", since now in this scenario they all do the same damage, give my sword a cool fire burning on it so i look "as cool" *cough*cough* cooler As they other person.

I say just learn to addapt, and if your good enough you can prolly kick anyones ass, overpowered weapon or no.,..

[Septus]

He was outdamaging me despite the fact that I had better armor. I told you, it was extremely close quarters so we were trading blows. I could hardly even move. We both landed all hits and I was going down faster than him.

He probably had higher stats than you. Most notably strength & agility.

[Viluin]

He probably had higher stats than you. Most notably strength & agility.

Strength doesn't affect damage (broken stat) and there is no agility.. lol. He also had roughly the same weapon skill (30 vs my 27).

[DwellerBelow]

Make weapons that hit walls, or trees stop the swing. That way if you are in close battles they wouldn't be able to swing on you like a lumberjack.

This. Would rock!

[LordMorak]

nerf polearm and nerf bow !

[GroovyBob]

Remove weapons! Let us fight with our fists!

[DwellerBelow]

Asking them to please stop whining, or whining about them whining would've been me QQing, a statement telling them to shut the fuck up is exactly as it stands, a statement.

But truth be told, nerf calls are bad period. Lets hypothetically follow it through to conclusion.

If polearm range and/or damage was reduced they would then have the same or less range and/or damage than a great sword, but the great sword would now be faster, making it op. This would then make people nerf call on great swords, they could make them slower, like polarms, essentially making the new nerfed weapons the same... Now 1 handed weapons are faster and can anyone using one with a shield can easily block the slow swings from 2 handed weapons... 2 handed users nerf call 1h & shield... this merry-go-round continues until everything is a little bit shitter than it was before the first nerf.

I don't think it matters whether one weapon is reduced in power, or others are upgunned, the question is one of balance. The weapons in the game are obviously not balanced yet, and need a little work. If the balancing is done well, then one weapon will not dominate. Part of the balance problem comes from making big changes all at once, aka 'nerfing' something. If adjustments are made incrementally, then the nerf effect does not really appear.

[DwellerBelow]

Remove weapons! Let us fight with our fists!

Fug, add fists...

And let me grab that polearm...

There should be a barehand disarm.

And, wrestling.

[GroovyBob]

Fug, add fists...

And let me grab that polearm...

There should be a barehand disarm.

And, wrestling.

I was joking, but yes, this would be fun.

Also I was thinking, polearms are probably more popular because of how Redreach looks. It's really nice compared to the beginner 2h axe or mace (stone-age weapons if you ask me). I very rarely see any other weapon than 2h sword or Redreach.

[Llewen]

I don't think it matters whether one weapon is reduced in power, or others are upgunned, the question is one of balance. The weapons in the game are obviously not balanced yet, and need a little work. If the balancing is done well, then one weapon will not dominate. Part of the balance problem comes from making big changes all at once, aka 'nerfing' something. If adjustments are made incrementally, then the nerf effect does not really appear.

One thing that I think could be changed that would at least improve the strength of one handed weapons is to further reduce the time that it takes to lower the shield after a parry. It was reduced somewhat, but it still is too slow to make the shield effective except in certain specialized circumstances.

[Hawk Ocularis]

You might have hit on something here. Maybe an idea isn't to nerf polearms, but to buff everything else. Or perhaps the problem isn't polearms themselves. No matter what get's buffed or nerfed, there is always going to be one dominant template and combat style.

Many skilled pvp'rs have learnt a certain fighting style in fighting with polearms, and are doing extremely well with that style. What I need to do as someone who refuses to fight with polearms, is learn how to counter that style.


This
I used polearm to level 25 tried greatsword now use sword and board
although eventually will be archer/caster its nice to be able to stand toe to toe with someone

[Teth]

Of course polearms are going to be popular. They are the melee weapon with the greatest damage per hit and are more or less tied for best reach in an environment (PvP) where the two most important damage traits are RANGE and ALPHA STRIKE. Polearms fit the bill on both counts nicely.

Incidentally this is also why daggers are terrible.

The knockback is as much a hassle as it is a boon, though.

[FASLAYER]

No, but they should nerf archery. 34 damage by an alfar is 50% more damage than my polearm attacks.

maybe you shouldn't give them your back.