LARGE scale battles DON'T work! [Archive]

Sayton

03-19-2009, 03:15 AM

so no lag when we have normal sized battles (20-40 enemies + us) but when a huge battle shows up I get unplayable lag? How does that work against my connection?

FPS or ping latency lag? If it's the former then it's your PC. I've been in 100+ battles and the only thing I noticed was a lowered FPS, no connection problems to speak of.

brfrodo

03-19-2009, 03:15 AM

maybe they should add multicore support so i think my i7 920 can handle huge battles easily. Together with my 4870.
Poser detected. hahahahaha.

Shrang

03-19-2009, 03:18 AM

300 people is a bit too much for my computer...

Skippy971282

03-19-2009, 03:31 AM

Your just angry because you got freaking rolled. betches.

Viluin

03-19-2009, 03:31 AM

300 people is a bit too much for my computer...

My computer handled the movie 300 just fine. Even the Persian army ran smoothly.

Sukor

03-19-2009, 03:34 AM

I don't have a new computer by any means and I get little lag in large battles.

Paranoia21

03-19-2009, 03:37 AM

so no lag when we have normal sized battles (20-40 enemies + us) but when a huge battle shows up I get unplayable lag? How does that work against my connection?

same as me

Shrang

03-19-2009, 03:43 AM

It is the settings in your game and your computer.....

Ruyn

03-19-2009, 03:44 AM

I've been involved in a 300 person battle with max settings and had 30-40 fps.

E8400 dual core, 3 ghtz
4 gigs ram
vista 64
8800 gts (320mb)

Drazmic

03-19-2009, 03:45 AM

Your just angry because you got freaking rolled. betches.

Actually I am not angry cause I was having fun talking to them all during it.

Skippy971282

03-19-2009, 03:56 AM

well lets hope so. Mercs got what was coming to them. Telling DUSK how we will always get rolled...They deserved to be beaten of the face of DF altogether.

madgopher

03-19-2009, 04:17 AM

in large battles I should save myself some aggravation and just give my stuff away,fps drops ,sync ,my comp played AOC sieges OK but this is horrible.

Ding-Dong

03-19-2009, 04:18 AM

Oh, I forgot that everyone in the world has the same computer/internet service.

^

Lysander1

03-19-2009, 04:22 AM

Mercs alliance should think about who they talk shit to. Or that will happen again...

Foxdie

03-19-2009, 04:28 AM

spamming left click on buildings is hard :(

SG_Aedn

03-19-2009, 04:44 AM

I was running ok on a Q6600 OC @ 3.2ghz, 8800GT OC, 4GB memory, Windows XP, & Raid hardrive setup. My framerates were cut by about 50%. Preformance was pretty mediocre though, and many people were having problems.

Going to be hard to hold 500+ size battles for many people.

props to the defenders, especially exilium members.

Paranoia21

03-19-2009, 05:02 AM

This really needs to be optimized to run on duel/quad core processors as having the top rated quad doesn't make much of a difference right now =/

InDcent

03-19-2009, 05:08 AM

This really needs to be optimized to run on duel/quad core processors as having the top rated quad doesn't make much of a difference right now =/

Unfortunately no one takes advantage of the quad core yet. I use only one program that makes use of it.

Rhade

03-19-2009, 05:14 AM

The audio is also a huge problem in large battles.

GlacierFreeze

03-19-2009, 05:52 AM

so no lag when we have normal sized battles (20-40 enemies + us) but when a huge battle shows up I get unplayable lag? How does that work against my connection?

You have a shit computer. That's how that works.

Zeyll

03-19-2009, 06:03 AM

i think aventurine knows it, and i hope its fixed when they CONTINUE upgrading the servers quality/capacity :P

Kzuri

03-19-2009, 06:16 AM

Too much lag for some players and no lag for others somehow.

Well not everyone has the same computer specs.

bforce

03-19-2009, 06:18 AM

so no lag when we have normal sized battles (20-40 enemies + us) but when a huge battle shows up I get unplayable lag? How does that work against my connection?

i think i have something like this sometimes in the past few days with my guild... half of us say they lag and half doesnt.

we didnt have any large battles either so maybe its something else...

IwannabeaMahirm

03-19-2009, 06:27 AM

My computer handled the movie 300 just fine. Even the Persian army ran smoothly.

Lol, good sir, that is completely and utterly a different matter.

gary0044187

03-19-2009, 11:09 AM

I just got done watching a youtube vid of this fight. the dude that posted it apologised for the fps because of the battle. my jaw dropped, the massive battle looked better than me dueling my buddy.

ePeen

03-19-2009, 11:30 AM

I just got done watching a youtube vid of this fight. the dude that posted it apologised for the fps because of the battle. my jaw dropped, the massive battle looked better than me dueling my buddy.

Posting in a Draz thread.
Also post the link for that video.

Griras

03-19-2009, 11:36 AM

The audio is also a huge problem in large battles.

sounds and shadows are the biggest FPS drainers... turnthem off and see a huge increase in FPS

Arkh

03-19-2009, 11:44 AM

The problem is when the server is lagging. When you have like 20 ping and some actions take 5s to get feedback, it's hard to hit people. Even to loot or just sheath/unsheath your weapon.

Moshland

03-19-2009, 12:11 PM

Too much lag for some players and no lag for others somehow.

adjust your settings to match your cpu, get a better cpu, or stfu

MasterAqua

03-19-2009, 12:15 PM

Poser detected. hahahahaha.

true, people with truely powerful computers don't need to boast ;)

uo97to03

03-19-2009, 12:16 PM

I dont lag in PvP but the mainland is a lagfest. The graphics draw is horrible and its definitely not my computer.

Beltara

03-19-2009, 12:34 PM

My GF9800GX2 handles everything just fine in DF while playing WAR or AoC chokes it to death DF engine is much better at handling big fights.

Hope they do something to server lag though.

Numz dePimche

03-19-2009, 12:48 PM

Reduce the number of 3D sound a lot, if it don't work, upgrade your computer. Servers are fine.

Drago Palmas

03-19-2009, 02:08 PM

I've been involved in a 300 person battle with max settings and had 30-40 fps.

E8400 dual core, 3 ghtz
4 gigs ram
vista 64
8800 gts (320mb)

I was in the same battle with this specs:
Single core AMD 3800 proc
4870 Graka 512 mb
Win XP
1 Gig Ram (!)
Playing on 1900*1200 on 24" screen

In the beginning of the battle it was unplayable. I started lowering settings, shadows off, texture quality the worst etc. Did not help. I put the texture quality up again.

Then I set the amount of max audio sounds at once from 256 down to 8.
Suddenly game is almost smooth, playable, I can fight wuhuu!!
I think the audio of DF needs major tuning, this will help a lot in reducing lag.

My Specs are mediocre I know, anyway I am amazed how smooth it went after my discovery. Gonna get one more gig of ram and Its perfect imo.

Viluin

03-19-2009, 02:43 PM

Lol, good sir, that is completely and utterly a different matter.

No it isn't. You're just mad because your computer was lagged by 300 people.. Get a new one! At least a Pentium with 3Ghz.

Eimstein

03-19-2009, 04:11 PM

Sounds are the biggest issue for me. If I am engaging in massive PvP I turn them down. With sounds at max I got ~30fps, with sounds at min ~120fps, in a 300+ man battle.

Syloc

03-19-2009, 05:24 PM

O.o I'll try this next time! Low sounds might help.

McDoogs

03-19-2009, 06:33 PM

Does this really deserve it's own thread?

adrazzer

03-19-2009, 06:39 PM

FPS or ping latency lag? If it's the former then it's your PC. I've been in 100+ battles and the only thing I noticed was a lowered FPS, no connection problems to speak of.

Totally agree with the FPS issue, if it is FPS then i am afraid it is ya puter at fault

riffordy

03-21-2009, 06:49 AM

try 1000 last night... 3 fps.. MAX

like a slide show. of death

Arcador

03-21-2009, 09:39 AM

I had fps issue on 200+ battle.

Seems shadows off/on and other settings didn't help much either - it was low fps but definetelly playable.

The problem was only the server-side lag which strangelly in not equal distributed. You could see that in the battle - some poeple were just trying to move and out-of-syncin in that matter. You could see their mana missiles staying in mid-air for several seconds without moving, while other were choppin in the fray like mad. For some the battle was like target practice on dummies.

Alonjar

03-21-2009, 09:52 AM

The problem is most likely your *processor*. This is the problem I experienced. My video card renders the scenes just fine... but darkfall eats up mega processing when there are 100+ people around...

you can test this, by going into a busy battle, then looking straight down at the ground. See how your FPS are still really low? If it was your video card, you'd be getting good fps, cause there is nothing to render. But its not. Its because your processor is trying to keep track of too much shit going on around you.

The game doesnt utilize multiple cores, so you're pretty much fucked. buy a super badass processor/mobo with very high FSB... or lag. I dont see the DF devs going any sort of optimization any time soon.

*I found this out, because I'm running a 9800 GTX+, which is bad ass, but my process is a Pentium D, 3.2 GHz.. which is two p4 cores on one die. But its only 533 mhz FSB... so darkfall chokes it.

Yogi Bear

03-21-2009, 09:39 PM

crashfall, just traveling in large crews is very dangerous. We were traveling in a group of about 130 last night and 60+ people would crash all at once. This is not computer issues if 50% of the people are crashing.

I noticed on top of MH mountain it was very unplayable until there were 80 people on screen down from 250. Jumped from 2-3 fps to 30-40 when many left. I really like the game except i will have to spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars to get the specs to play in the bigger battles as of now. herb gathering ftw?

Paranoia21

03-21-2009, 09:42 PM

Considering if u look at the min/rec reqs , Most DF players Don't have super computers and don't want to spend over 1000 quid on a setup just to play an MMO, all i think is really needed is Multicore support it would reduce a lot of issues

AODSocrates

03-21-2009, 09:48 PM

I had a slideshow, then turned off shadows and it was absolutely fine. Not a problem.

[O]_Fawkes

03-21-2009, 10:02 PM

Why do I have the feeling that you have a machine older than you?

Dethstarr

03-21-2009, 10:13 PM

Why do people keep blaming the individual machines here. Personally fortunate enough to have marketing folks sending me hardware foc in order to gain my business through their companies. Speaking purely personally I have experienced occasional issue in every game I seen. just like any business MMO's dont invest on the basis of absolute resilience. If you were trading stocks at the same rate its worth it but for an MMO your just looking at reasonable peaks and troughs in data. If suddently you get a huge number of people flocking to one area its likely to cause a problem for anyone. This game is new and resources (and this is my assumption based on launch) are likely to be more limited than alot of more mature MMO companies. It wont happen all the time to everyone but it will happen on occasions where an area gets swamped. yep ISP and personal computing specs make a big difference but outside this there is a limit to what you can do anyway. You should be glad that your one of the lucky ones that actually got a session that allowed you through to get a pre order or license at the point of sale to be honest. Anyway my point is this is a long thread where no one can really offer a solution. Web "weather" changes every day. How you going to control that? I tried nailing up routes etc in the past to specific destinations to reduce hops etc but the less resources at the end of it the less chance you have of a decent experience no matter what spec you have at home or what you do to reduce latency etc over your internet connection. Just bear in mind it could be worse. I been waiting ages to see if this game was even worth waiting for hahaha.

Drazmic

03-21-2009, 11:10 PM

_Fawkes;3101554']Why do I have the feeling that you have a machine older than you?

I posted it as a base for information on how I might fix it. Yes my computer may be 6 yrs old but I still got it running better than some newer computers.

Gamlars

03-21-2009, 11:16 PM

if it cant be fixed sadly i think this game will faile

T11Lan

03-21-2009, 11:21 PM

My comp is MEDIOCRE based on the highest gaming standards.

it is quad core but thats prolly useless for this game but heres my point

THIS GAME RUNS PERFECTLY ON MY COMP

with shadows off(main thing) and even sounds MAXED

my comp only cost me 550 prebuilt at fuckin Best Buy for fucks sake

buy a new comp or dont play this game there is no excuse

my comp is NOT THAT GOOD

this game runs PERFECTLY

STFU

Gamlars

03-21-2009, 11:27 PM

tryed and siege with over 300 players? didn't think so.

zaco

03-21-2009, 11:47 PM

im some what good when playing normal up to 50vrs 50 . but when im i nthe big ass 300+ battles its insane fps drop , i can just all game on the highest settings , but my ping will jump to 500 and fps drop to 5 alot of the time with everything off

Skullcleaver

03-21-2009, 11:55 PM

tryed and siege with over 300 players? didn't think so.

I did and they suck even with a ninja pc :)

Caliban-LoD

03-22-2009, 12:59 AM

Yes this deserves a thread. Just got DF.EXE error 20 times before i gave up trying to log in to defend

Grannus

03-22-2009, 01:08 AM

Yes this deserves a thread. Just got DF.EXE error 20 times before i gave up trying to log in to defend
Sounds like they stole the idea from SB. I loved playing Crash.SB.exe.

Tamcia

03-22-2009, 01:19 AM

I crashed on the way to the city. Fighting inside it was "acceptable", but at some point it took a long time for my char to respond to commands.

Jacques

03-22-2009, 02:15 AM

Too much lag for some players and no lag for others somehow.

The Murder Herders can't stop bitching about how we owned them yesterday because of "lag", go quit before you humiliate yourself even more:

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=165830

Maia

03-22-2009, 03:22 AM

Yes this deserves a thread. Just got DF.EXE error 20 times before i gave up trying to log in to defend

I got the DF.exe runtime eror xxx like 4 times...and 2-3fps... at the begginig, before many people got disconnected. I thought that a q9450 and a ATI 4870 + 4gb ddr2800 should have been able to handle it..but it wasn't.

Slaker

03-22-2009, 03:59 AM

Seriously they need to fix this even if I am against zerg battles.

yamisniper

03-22-2009, 07:40 AM

It is the settings in your game and your computer.....

also df cleint doesnt like more than 1 cpu xD which doesnt help for fps wise

danknerd

03-22-2009, 08:06 AM

Too much lag for some players and no lag for others somehow.

Get better computer perhaps... I got 30+fps with over 200+ on the screen in the Murder Herd raid.. with gfx up as full as they could go... though I have a decent pc too. So yeah its your pc yo!

Shaoz

03-22-2009, 08:08 AM

Get better computer perhaps... I got 30+fps with over 200+ on the screen in the Murder Herd raid.. with gfx up as full as they could go... though I have a decent pc too. So yeah its your pc yo!

Idk if you had the same numbers in your murder herd raid...

Pyro Kiddie

03-22-2009, 12:33 PM

turn of 3d sound - i went from 2fps to 60

Smurfz

03-22-2009, 05:54 PM

My FPS goes down the shitter in huge battles.

I'm gonna try using the lowest resolution next time I'm in a siege. If my fps still sucks, I'll probably need CPU upgrades.

Orren91

03-22-2009, 06:55 PM

what kind of computer requirments do i need to have a lagg-free 150 person battle ?:ninja:

Tyller Durden

03-22-2009, 07:20 PM

My FPS goes down the shitter in huge battles.

I'm gonna try using the lowest resolution next time I'm in a siege. If my fps still sucks, I'll probably need CPU upgrades.
Won't help, at least for me it didnt change anything if i had my settings/resolution at max or lowest. The only noticeable change came from decreasing the 3D sounds but it's still unplayable in large battles (200+ people).