Rights

[tallefred]

What do you consider to be unalienable rights? Do you consider, for example, the right of every person to own cable to be a right? It seems to me that people have some strange translations of the word "rights".

To me it's always meant things which you have which cannot be taken away (i.e. life, liberty, pursuit of happiness). None of those are things you are given. No one has a "right" to food, or a "right" to a home. Those are things you earn because you start out without them.

What are "rights" in your opinion? Can someone have a right to something they don't have by default?

[Aacevedo]

Right to flame...

[Silverhandorder]

It is the kind of question where I am afraid to give an answer because I don't want to get it wrong. I believe I have a right to be a free man. I have a right to own what is mine. My house that I paid for. My salary is mine and no one elses to spend. If I am not hurting anyone directly with force I can do w.e I want. If I want to open a restaurant and people come to me voluntarily then it is no one's business to force me to own a license. My rights come from me and no one else. No one has the power to give me rights.

I doubt this thread will last its too hard of a subject for most to grasp.

[Killuminati]

depends on how you view human beings behavior and the way they cooperate. The only certain fact is that legislation isn't what grants us our rights.

[ZeroFX]

#1 The right to pay taxes.
#2 The right to die.
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[tallefred]

I doubt this thread will last its too hard of a subject for most to grasp.

I hope you're wrong. I think this subject can go places.

[PrimalSign]

Rights are those basic freedoms which must be protected if a society does not want to descend into a self-destructive orgy. Rights are what is required to maintain a social order not constantly vying with itself and prevent one from rapidly deteriorating into stages of chaos between brief periods of spontaneous order.

Basically: Any form of contract between people that discourages violent coercion or other actions of intentional deprivement (i.e. theft, fraud) is a "right". The penalty for breaching this contract is, rather appropriately, the invalidation of rights the offender may have been normally granted.

Entitlement to certain benefits at the expense of other people would contradict its status as a right under my definition, so I would never say anyone had the right to, for example, health care. If none are forcefully taking your health away from you then you're simply demanding from others what should (as a right) be theirs to give.

[ZeroFX]

Rights are those basic freedoms which must be protected if a society does not want to descend into a self-destructive orgy. Rights are what is required to maintain a social order not constantly vying with itself and prevent one from rapidly deteriorating into stages of chaos between brief periods of spontaneous order.

Basically: Any form of contract between people that discourages violent coercion or other actions of intentional deprivement (i.e. theft, fraud) is a "right". The penalty for breaching this contract is, rather appropriately, the invalidation of rights the offender may have been normally granted.

Entitlement to certain benefits at the expense of other people would contradict its status as a right under my definition, so I would never say anyone had the right to, for example, health care. If none are forcefully taking your health away from you then you're simply demanding from others what should (as a right) be theirs to give.
The "social contract" went out the window when King George II stole the American presidency. The largest bastion of democracy left in the world went down the tubes with that debacle.

[Killuminati]

The "social contract" went out the window when King George II stole the American presidency. The largest bastion of democracy left in the world went down the tubes with that debacle.

I don't think he's referring to the social contract...

[ZeroFX]

I don't think he's referring to the social contract...
This..
Basically: Any form of contract between people that discourages violent coercion or other actions of intentional deprivement (i.e. theft, fraud) is a "right". The penalty for breaching this contract is, rather appropriately, the invalidation of rights the offender may have been normally granted.
..is a basic understanding of "The Social Contract."

[PrimalSign]

The "social contract" went out the window when King George II stole the American presidency. The largest bastion of democracy left in the world went down the tubes with that debacle.

I gave my definition of rights as per the OP's request. I'm not sure why you brought up George W. Bush, but I think his actions have only pushed us towards a more destabilized order.

[Rilman]

In realilty we don't have any 'rights', we have temporary privilege's that can be revoked anytime our governments see fit to do so.

[ZeroFX]

a more destabilized order.
Is that like a clean mess? Like a dark light? Like a square circle?

[PrimalSign]

Is that like a clean mess? Like a dark light? Like a square circle?

A fracture that is more extensive than another fracture

[ZeroFX]

A fracture that is more extensive than another fracture
Engarish?

[PrimalSign]

Engarish?

Would you find the statement: "Player 1 is more damaged than Player 2", to be incorrect?

[Brilliant]

To me it's always meant things which you have which cannot be taken away (i.e. life, liberty, pursuit of happiness).
Not everyone is born with liberty.

I believe that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are human rights. Regardless of what country you live in, you are born with those rights. However, not every country's government protects those rights, and most people on earth live without the right to liberty, or the right to pursue happiness.

My basic philosophy is that everyone should have the right to swing their fist, so long as it stops just short of the other person's face.

I believe everyone should have the right to plenty of things, like self-defense, habeas corpus, freedom of speech, etc., but I don't believe those to be rights you are born with, nor are they rights you earn... I believe those are rights that are gifted to you by your peers in the form of society or government, and you only have them so long as those around you agree that you have them, if that makes any sense.

I agree that people throw around the word "right" too much (e.g. "right to healthcare").

[Wolffen]

What do you consider to be unalienable rights? Do you consider, for example, the right of every person to own cable to be a right? It seems to me that people have some strange translations of the word "rights".

To me it's always meant things which you have which cannot be taken away (i.e. life, liberty, pursuit of happiness). None of those are things you are given. No one has a "right" to food, or a "right" to a home. Those are things you earn because you start out without them.

What are "rights" in your opinion? Can someone have a right to something they don't have by default?

No one can have an "opinion" on what rights are since the definition already exists in clear english.

Cable television is a service provided by a private company owned privately by individuals. Those individual owners have the right do to whatever they wish with their own company as long as they are following the law. Their freedom includes to deny anyone they want their own service, just as a restaurant can tell you to gtfo.

Things like the Right to Bear arms (Shall not be infringed). You cannot have differing opinions on it. The constitution is meant to be taken literally and is very clear on all its wording.

The right to bear arms shall not be infringed is pretty clear. This means buying, using, or carrying guns cannot be hindered, restricted, limited, or denied in any way shape or form possible.

I bet most americans have never even read the constitution because they are braindead. Most cops haven't. How can they take the oath to defend an entire idea and document they have never read or understood?
The fruedian world we live in...

[Someone]

It's all very simple, there is no such thing as rights. You either have it or you don't, rights doesn't enter into it. I think most of us here have the fortune to have been born into countries where our ancestors have secured certain things in the past that allows us to lead moderatly comfortable lifes, those things are not in any way rights, they're not something we're entiteled to or something that we should natrually have. We have that shit because our ancestors made sure we would have it and our kids may in turn get it if they're lucky. But in no way is it something that is theirs or our rights.

[Killuminati]

This..

..is a basic understanding of "The Social Contract."

This..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract

..is a basic understanding of "The Social Contract."

[riddlenzomg]

the right to party