Without Religion There Would Never Have Been Morals?

[Marelt]

I often here people saying that atheism has no moral code, and that is true due to the fact that it does not believe in something or preach rules about itself. But, does this itself create the idea that without religion there would be no morals, or is one to believe that if there were no religions that another train of thought would have been created to then induce a moral code?

Discuss.

[Betelguez]

Without Religion There Would Never Have Been Morals


anyone who says this should shut the fuck up

[Skyborn]

OP's Hypothesis is False.

Next thread please.

[Ultor83]

Religion does not define your morals, your morals define your beliefs.

[DocGonzo]

morals derive from authoritative pronouncement, and are quite subjective to culture

i think you mean ethics, which require no authority to pronounce or enforce and which are quite objective and universal as well as not requiring any religion at all

example: in some island cultures it was quite moral to eat your dead so as to Honor them, burying them would have been immoral, yet western europeans see it differently on moral grounds

ethics don't care either way, since no one is hurt in the process within each culture

[Hitom]

Oh yeah dude, I totally agree. I mean, just look at the chatolich church, the priests know how to teach them boys about morals. By the way, can you pass that shit?

[Skitz0]

Anyone who flames this thread is not a thinking man in my opinion, as this is actually a fairly interesting topic.

A morality in any age is the sum of socially accepted desires and values in that age. These values are a part of language...they can be articulated and so can be made the object of rational analysis
Society creates morality. Society is more than a collection of people...it is a set of communal values and individual meanings.
I consider values to be objective, and meanings to be subjective.

The set of communal values represent the contemporary state of morality, while the set of individual meanings represent the state of desired virtues. Language contains traditional values – this is what is implied in the ideas of social conditioning and socialization.
Language is the repository of values but not of meanings. Morality centers on language, virtue on consciousness. When any value is postulated to reside in language then its final activity is to become absorbed into morality (or possibly aesthetics). When meaning is postulated to lie outside of language then its terminus is virtue.

There are a number of books on this topic as well as philosophers of any age that have postulated the "origins".
I honestly do not see religion as being necessary, but it can sway one's idea of morality and ethics to a significant degree. There you have to question if it's their personal view or it's simply being driven by what they're told.

[tallefred]

I think religion is a way to rationalize morals. It helps us explain why we feel killing is wrong.

[Marelt]

I think religion is a way to rationalize morals. It helps us explain why we feel killing is wrong.

This is what im saying

I am an atheist, but i do believe that religion played a role in figuring out what was wrong and what wasn't

[Mubos]

Morality is basicly the difference between what people do and don't want to happen to them or the people their family. Sort of like when people say you should treat others how you want to be treated.
For example:
-murder
-theft
-deception
noone wants these to happen to them and so are considered bad.
-help
-trust
-support
people would like these things and so are considered good.
religion has simply been the means by which these values have been spread, and the masses fear of thier god doing horrible things if they are bad and rewarding them if they are good helped to solidify morality into peoples minds.
However I think that without religion morals would be shared and valued through a need to create a society in which everyone takes steps to help everyones lives be easier and happier.
So no I don't think that without religion there would be no morals jst that they would have spread around in a different way.

[Killuminati]

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[Wugrut]

I often here people saying that atheism has no moral code, and that is true due to the fact that it does not believe in something or preach rules about itself. But, does this itself create the idea that without religion there would be no morals, or is one to believe that if there were no religions that another train of thought would have been created to then induce a moral code?

Discuss.

Morals are born out of social necessity and are the root of Religion. All things seek order... even chaos. Organized Religion is the construct around said morals for their subsequent manipulation by those with charismatic power. Some is for personal gain and some otherwise, but all of it is for comfort and born of fear. Amen.

Who am I to argue one way or the other... Regardless, we are all made of the same stuff, Stardust, and that's what we eventually return to.

... I already have my bag packed for that trip.

[Tamural]

No one needs an imaginary friend to tell them what is right or wrong. People are just lazy, so they depend on that imaginary friend to threaten them with an impossible damnation in order to do what is "right."

[tallefred]

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You're afraid of the truth!

[Rathynas]

I often here people saying that atheism has no moral code, and that is true due to the fact that it does not believe in something or preach rules about itself. But, does this itself create the idea that without religion there would be no morals, or is one to believe that if there were no religions that another train of thought would have been created to then induce a moral code?

Discuss.

Uh, you don't need a religion to have morals... Religion is just a way of enforcing them. Morals probably existed long before religion. For example, "Don't kill your kin," or "Respect your parents."

[SweXShadow]

we make religion therefor Religion does not make the morals.
God didnt Create Humans, Humans Created God

[Minotaur]

we make religion therefor Religion does not make the morals.
God didnt Create Humans, Humans Created God

Zeus will punish you for your heresy!

[Desperado[1G]]

Men would have drawn a moral structure from somwhere. Whether or not it would be as good and decent as it is today is up for debate.

[Marrik]

obviously there were always morals, since before there was religion.



i think religion was originally more of an invention to deal with the people who need the looming specter of eternal punishment for them to live like human fucking beings instead of just rampantly killing and raping.

[Beeblebrox]

Most people don't see how values and ethics have an inherent good attached to them. Most people just follow rules, morals and ethics because they believe in a higher power which is always watching and judging. They practice good deeds not because they are inherently good, but only because they're afraid of higher punishment. Get rid off that and they will behave themselves in a very, very different manner. Religion is not directly related to "morals" but still, our society is far away from understanding and accepting that.

[IthroZada]

This is what it would be like, if the majority of people were athiests.

ATHIEST KID: Mom, I'm going to go fuck a hooker.

ATHIEST MOM: Okay, son.

ATHIEST KID: Afterwards, I'm going to go smoke pot with my friends, since it's "not addictive."

ATHIEST MOM: Okay, come home soon!

The athiest kid leaves the room. The father comes home from work several minutes later.

ATHIEST DAD: Hey!

ATHIEST MOM: Hi, honey! I'm pregnant again. I guess I'll just get another abortion, since "fetuses don't count as human life."

ATHIEST DAD: Okay, get as many abortions as you want!

ATHIEST MOM: Oh, and don't go in the bedroom.

ATHIEST DAD: Why not?

ATHIEST MOM: There are two gay men fucking each other in there.

ATHIEST DAD: Why are they here?

ATHIEST MOM: I wanted to watch them do it for awhile. They just aren't finished yet.

ATHIEST DAD: Okay, that's fine with me!

Suddenly, their neighbor runs into the house.

ATHIEST NEIGHBOR: Come quick, there's a Christian outside!

ATHIEST MOM: We'll be right there!

The athiest couple quickly put on a pair of black robes and hoods. They then exit the house, and run into the street, where a Christian is nailed to a large, wooden X. He is being burned alive. A crowd of athiests stand around him, all wearing black robes and hoods.

RANDOM ATHIEST: Damn you, Christian! We hate you! We claim to be tolerant of all religions. But we really hate your's! That's because we athiests are hypocritical like that! Die, Christian!

THE END

Scary, isn't it?


Duh...

[Urvad Litast]

If you've ever had a conscious thought on how to live than you have morals even if that means just doing whatever you feel like.

[Sarukia]

Morality is basicly the difference between what people do and don't want to happen to them or the people their family. Sort of like when people say you should treat others how you want to be treated.
For example:
-murder
-theft
-deception
noone wants these to happen to them and so are considered bad.
-help
-trust
-support
people would like these things and so are considered good.
religion has simply been the means by which these values have been spread, and the masses fear of thier god doing horrible things if they are bad and rewarding them if they are good helped to solidify morality into peoples minds.
However I think that without religion morals would be shared and valued through a need to create a society in which everyone takes steps to help everyones lives be easier and happier.
So no I don't think that without religion there would be no morals jst that they would have spread around in a different way.

Muder? That depends on what you consider to be murder taking the life of another person or creature isn't murder in some cases. Laws of nature kill for food Kill to protect. Killing for the sake of killing because something is different or because you find it fun would be muder. "IMO"
Theft well another law of nature steal for food so I kind of can't be blame some for stealing. Not that i'd let them steal from me probley try to protect myself and my home.
Deception well alot of creatures use deception to get food or to protect themselves from becoming food. Deception can be very useful tatic as a means to servive.

help
trust
support... All are important to pack like animals such as humans, wolves, monkeys, apes ect..


Most of these things infact all existed before religion. Thou alot of people killed in the name of religion even if the ones they killed where no threat just different. In other words killing for the sake of killing. So as far as i'm conserned Religion currupted the world and still currupts it.

[saltwaterteffy]

religion does not define your morals, your morals define your beliefs.

qft