alright you abortion non advocates

[biggunsar]

Here is a true story.

I had a good freind named john. He was a normal teenager in every respect. Had normal grades. played on the highschool basketball team. Was generally liked.

Then one day, he was snooping around in his parents room, like kids do from time to time. He found a document. Found out he was adopted. And he was 16 at the time he found out.

At taht point in time, his attitude changed. He confronted his parents. They told him he had been adopted. From that point on.
He needed to find out, where his parents were, if he had any brothers or sisters, and why his parents had given him up for adoption.

Well he found out he had a sister, sister wanted nothign to do with him.
Found out his parents were bad parents, and they wanted nothing to do with him.
By the time he was 18, he had gotten kicked out of the house, for doing drugs. Overdosed on cocaine, and was hanging around with really bad people. He died of an overdose at the age of 25.

So this kid goes from an average teenager to a drug addict and dead in the space of 7 years.

You still think abortions are not okay?

I believe in abortions for that simple reason. Kids who are adopted don't do well when their lives are suddenly changed by the fact that they know they are adopted.

died at 25. fuck...that was 14 years ago. what a shame.

fuck you anti abortionists. You have no right to tell others what they can do.

ya, go ahead and say if they had had an abortion, that he would be dead anyways. At least no suffering there. Because he didn't just hurt himself. He hurt everyone around him, that knew him. Imagine the parents that adopted him! They would have felt bad most of all. They did raise him from a baby.

Abortion affects one. Where as, not aborting can effect many. Tell me that's fair.

[Goty]

Maybe little Johnny there should have grown a pair and just beat his wife like the rest of us.

EDIT: Before I forget, sorry for your loss.

[bluthorn]

Here is a true story.

I had a good freind named john. He was a normal teenager in every respect. Had normal grades. played on the highschool basketball team. Was generally liked.

Then one day, he was snooping around in his parents room, like kids do from time to time. He found a document. Found out he was adopted. And he was 16 at the time he found out.

At taht point in time, his attitude changed. He confronted his parents. They told him he had been adopted. From that point on.
He needed to find out, where his parents were, if he had any brothers or sisters, and why his parents had given him up for adoption.

Well he found out he had a sister, sister wanted nothign to do with him.
Found out his parents were bad parents, and they wanted nothing to do with him.
By the time he was 18, he had gotten kicked out of the house, for doing drugs. Overdosed on cocaine, and was hanging around with really bad people. He died of an overdose at the age of 25.

So this kid goes from an average teenager to a drug addict and dead in the space of 7 years.

You still think abortions are not okay?

I believe in abortions for that simple reason. Kids who are adopted don't do well when their lives are suddenly changed by the fact that they know they are adopted.

died at 25. fuck...that was 14 years ago. what a shame.

fuck you anti abortionists. You have no right to tell others what they can do.

ya, go ahead and say if they had had an abortion, that he would be dead anyways. At least no suffering there. Because he didn't just hurt himself. He hurt everyone around him, that knew him. Imagine the parents that adopted him! They would have felt bad most of all. They did raise him from a baby.

Abortion affects one. Where as, not aborting can effect many. Tell me that's fair.

And the mother has no right to tell her as-yet unborn child that "well, your life is gonna suck too much if you live. You get a nice injection and die before you take your first breath instead".

[biggunsar]

Maybe little Johnny there should have grown a pair and just beat his wife like the rest of us.

you really are going to go there aren't you. Where is your sense of decency

[Goty]

you really are going to go there aren't you. Where is your sense of decency

I have none. :(

Regardless, I'm pro-choice!

[SSguy]

Blame the parents for not doing a better job hiding the documents :p

[bluthorn]

you really are going to go there aren't you. Where is your sense of decency

I'm thinking decency died when having a crappy life justified murder...

[1998altima]

And the mother has no right to tell her as-yet unborn child that "well, your life is gonna suck too much if you live. You get a nice injection and die before you take your first breath instead".

You have no right to be in other people's business.

[biggunsar]

Blame the parents for not doing a better job hiding the documents =P

I agree, i really beleive that if he had not found out, he would be alive and well today.

I saw his life take a nose dive when the reality of "not being wanted" by his real parents. It truly affected him.

As teenagers, life is hard enough. then add to the mix, that your real parents didn't want you. Im sure there are many out there, that think the same thing "why am I so bad, that even my parents didnt' want me" type thought process.

[Rourke]

Sorry to hear about your friend. I have had 4 friends that were adopted. Let me put it this way. They are all fucked in the head. Huge emotional problems with being adopted. The worst of them has siblings that were BORN from the parents. Seems to make it worse for the adopted kid. No way that child get treated fairly.

[biggunsar]

ahahahahah is this real?

This isn't funny. This is very real. John walker. Elliot lake, Ontario Canada.

[biggunsar]

Sorry to hear about your friend. I have had 4 friends that were adopted. Let me put it this way. They are all fucked in the head. Huge emotional problems with being adopted. The worst of them has siblings that were BORN from the parents. Seems to make it worse for the adopted kid. No way that child get treated fairly.

Thanks,
sorry to hear about your friends as well.
I think adoption sucks. Sure, there are SOME success stories. But for majority. Ain't that way.

[Melamoto]

It's weird, I see no problem whatsoever with being adopted, and if I found out I was adopted I wouldn't really care at all. I think they only care because they've been brought up to care by our forced opinion society.

[Ramathorn]

Well, his parents by adoption should have never lied to him in the first place. I have some friends who were adopted and they knew this from when they were real young and were able to comprehend it.

Its that bullshit lieng that enrages people and fucks them up. It destroys people when you find out you are not thought well enuff to have to live a lie.

Parents need to quit lieng. Its crap just tell the truth and people will respect you for it in the long run and if they don't then fuckem they bring it on themselves.

[Rourke]

It's weird, I see no problem whatsoever with being adopted, and if I found out I was adopted I wouldn't really care at all. I think they only care because they've been brought up to care by our forced opinion society.

Easy to say if your not adopted, lol. WTF kinda of thinking is that?

[Ultimo]

Oh noes, someone died at 25 instead of at -6 months. Does it really matter when he died? You make it sound like a shame that he died when he was young. He would have died much younger the other way. Your basis for hating abortion is flawed.

[Rourke]

Oh noes, someone died at 25 instead of at -6 months. Does it really matter when he died? You make it sound like a shame that he died when he was young. He would have died much younger the other way. Your basis for hating abortion is flawed.

He said you'd say that actually. HA?

[bluthorn]

Oh noes, someone died at 25 instead of at -6 months. Does it really matter when he died? You make it sound like a shame that he died when he was young. He would have died much younger the other way. Your basis for hating abortion is flawed.

My basis is that it is murder. Suicide (or some facisimile thereof) is hardly a better option, save for one thing: he had his choice. Pro-choice may advocate woman's rights, but I advocate a child's rights.

[Nigel Pwnington]

Here is a true story.

I had a good freind named john. He was a normal teenager in every respect. Had normal grades. played on the highschool basketball team. Was generally liked.

Then one day, he was snooping around in his parents room, like kids do from time to time. He found a document. Found out he was adopted. And he was 16 at the time he found out.

At taht point in time, his attitude changed. He confronted his parents. They told him he had been adopted. From that point on.
He needed to find out, where his parents were, if he had any brothers or sisters, and why his parents had given him up for adoption.

Well he found out he had a sister, sister wanted nothign to do with him.
Found out his parents were bad parents, and they wanted nothing to do with him.
By the time he was 18, he had gotten kicked out of the house, for doing drugs. Overdosed on cocaine, and was hanging around with really bad people. He died of an overdose at the age of 25.

So this kid goes from an average teenager to a drug addict and dead in the space of 7 years.

You still think abortions are not okay?

I believe in abortions for that simple reason. Kids who are adopted don't do well when their lives are suddenly changed by the fact that they know they are adopted.

died at 25. fuck...that was 14 years ago. what a shame.

fuck you anti abortionists. You have no right to tell others what they can do.

ya, go ahead and say if they had had an abortion, that he would be dead anyways. At least no suffering there. Because he didn't just hurt himself. He hurt everyone around him, that knew him. Imagine the parents that adopted him! They would have felt bad most of all. They did raise him from a baby.

Abortion affects one. Where as, not aborting can effect many. Tell me that's fair.

So your saying it's better to kill a baby before it experinces life,then let it live with another set of parents until the age of 25?

If you knew you'd die in 25 years after your birth,Would you wanna live at all?

-Also,Being adopted dosent mean youll always end up with bad parents. And it was his choice,"If he existed or not" To do Drugs. That has nothing at all to do with abortion.

[[O]_Fawkes]

I say abortion until the cluster of cells is actually an organism.

After that, it's murder.

Should have kept her legs closed in the first place, but anyway:

Adopting isn't something terrible, most kids come to grips with it. Whoever this John punk is needs to grow a pair and accept that his father and mother didn't want him, but his parents do.

[Lord Belphegor]

Here is a true story.

I had a good freind named john. He was a normal teenager in every respect. Had normal grades. played on the highschool basketball team. Was generally liked.

Then one day, he was snooping around in his parents room, like kids do from time to time. He found a document. Found out he was adopted. And he was 16 at the time he found out.

At taht point in time, his attitude changed. He confronted his parents. They told him he had been adopted. From that point on.
He needed to find out, where his parents were, if he had any brothers or sisters, and why his parents had given him up for adoption.

Well he found out he had a sister, sister wanted nothign to do with him.
Found out his parents were bad parents, and they wanted nothing to do with him.
By the time he was 18, he had gotten kicked out of the house, for doing drugs. Overdosed on cocaine, and was hanging around with really bad people. He died of an overdose at the age of 25.

So this kid goes from an average teenager to a drug addict and dead in the space of 7 years.

You still think abortions are not okay?

I believe in abortions for that simple reason. Kids who are adopted don't do well when their lives are suddenly changed by the fact that they know they are adopted.

died at 25. fuck...that was 14 years ago. what a shame.

fuck you anti abortionists. You have no right to tell others what they can do.

ya, go ahead and say if they had had an abortion, that he would be dead anyways. At least no suffering there. Because he didn't just hurt himself. He hurt everyone around him, that knew him. Imagine the parents that adopted him! They would have felt bad most of all. They did raise him from a baby.

Abortion affects one. Where as, not aborting can effect many. Tell me that's fair.

That is the most retarded argument for abortion that I've heard since years, seriously. That's coming from a pro-choice guy.

[Killuminati]

Here is a true story.

I had a good freind named john. He was a normal teenager in every respect. Had normal grades. played on the highschool basketball team. Was generally liked.

Then one day, he was snooping around in his parents room, like kids do from time to time. He found a document. Found out he was adopted. And he was 16 at the time he found out.

At taht point in time, his attitude changed. He confronted his parents. They told him he had been adopted. From that point on.
He needed to find out, where his parents were, if he had any brothers or sisters, and why his parents had given him up for adoption.

Well he found out he had a sister, sister wanted nothign to do with him.
Found out his parents were bad parents, and they wanted nothing to do with him.
By the time he was 18, he had gotten kicked out of the house, for doing drugs. Overdosed on cocaine, and was hanging around with really bad people. He died of an overdose at the age of 25.

So this kid goes from an average teenager to a drug addict and dead in the space of 7 years.

You still think abortions are not okay?

I believe in abortions for that simple reason. Kids who are adopted don't do well when their lives are suddenly changed by the fact that they know they are adopted.

died at 25. fuck...that was 14 years ago. what a shame.

fuck you anti abortionists. You have no right to tell others what they can do.

ya, go ahead and say if they had had an abortion, that he would be dead anyways. At least no suffering there. Because he didn't just hurt himself. He hurt everyone around him, that knew him. Imagine the parents that adopted him! They would have felt bad most of all. They did raise him from a baby.

Abortion affects one. Where as, not aborting can effect many. Tell me that's fair.

Go cry about it somewhere else you vagina. Killing yourself just because people don't approve of you is for the weak. You actually think your sob story is a real way to argue your point?

[Vaalsha]

I can in some ways relate to the story - one of my cousins were adopted and she suffers from fetal alcohol syndrome. She has got alot of problems and her two brothers *sons of her adopted parents* dont help.
Its really sad.

[1998altima]

Go cry about it somewhere else you vagina. Killing yourself just because people don't approve of you is for the weak. You actually think your sob story is a real way to argue your point?

Nice.

After learning that his biological parents don't approve of him he probably did not approve of his own self. Thus suicide.

[Ramathorn]

Murder is killing a conscious being, thats why killing people in vegetable form is not murder. Cause if you classifed murder as killing any organism then you could say I am aborting millions of babies everyday when I jack off.
People don't gain a conscious until a few years into life when they actually know they exsist. Of course that is my view. Do you remember the day you were born? Or on that day could you question anything? Its the same as if you were a sperm in your fathers nutsack.

Get real people :)

[bluthorn]

Murder is killing a conscious being, thats why killing people in vegetable form is not murder. Cause if you classifed murder as killing any organism then you could say I am aborting millions of babies everyday when I jack off.
People don't gain a conscious until a few years into life when they actually know they exsist. Of course that is my view. Do you remember the day you were born? Or on that day could you question anything? Its the same as if you were a sperm in your fathers nutsack.

Get real people :)

So I could, in your POV, go into a nursury full of newborns and gun them all down and it's just fine with you?

[Swendle]

This just depends on the person, some people are greedy and if their foster parents have money then they wont care to meet their real parents, some people want to meet their real parents and if they turn out to be druggies/people that dont care about them then they look on the bright side such as well at least i have good foster parents that took care of me and some do end up like john.

[Dimgo]

Pro-choices advocates that a woman can abort a 8 months old baby?

[1998altima]

So I could, in your POV, go into a nursury full of newborns and gun them all down and it's just fine with you?

Forgive me for being retarded, but aren't BORN babies conscious???

[Killuminati]

Nice.

After learning that his biological parents don't approve of him he probably did not approve of his own self. Thus suicide.

Just because they created you, does not mean you need to seek approval from them. They obviously didn't want to see him if they just forgot about him and never attempted to look for him. Yah, it was probably the worst experience he would have in his life.

Except no matter what, one shouldn't let others destroy you. There are plenty of people out there who have in fact left abusive and hateful parents and live independently. You are suppose to break away from unhealthy relationships, his family was obviously a piece of shit. It doesn't mean he should have gave up on himself, though.

Anyways, this argument is irrelevant anyways. Abortion should be argued on different grounds. Not from an emotional standpoint.

[CorvusStormcrow]

where's the fucking delete button?

[bluthorn]

Forgive me for being retarded, but aren't BORN babies conscious???

According to the guy I quoted, newborns are not because they do not fulfill the "People don't gain a conscious until a few years into life when they actually know they exsist." requirement set forth by him.

[shock223]

Here is a true story.

I had a good freind named john. He was a normal teenager in every respect. Had normal grades. played on the highschool basketball team. Was generally liked.

Then one day, he was snooping around in his parents room, like kids do from time to time. He found a document. Found out he was adopted. And he was 16 at the time he found out.

At taht point in time, his attitude changed. He confronted his parents. They told him he had been adopted. From that point on.
He needed to find out, where his parents were, if he had any brothers or sisters, and why his parents had given him up for adoption.

Well he found out he had a sister, sister wanted nothign to do with him.
Found out his parents were bad parents, and they wanted nothing to do with him.
By the time he was 18, he had gotten kicked out of the house, for doing drugs. Overdosed on cocaine, and was hanging around with really bad people. He died of an overdose at the age of 25.

So this kid goes from an average teenager to a drug addict and dead in the space of 7 years.

You still think abortions are not okay?

I believe in abortions for that simple reason. Kids who are adopted don't do well when their lives are suddenly changed by the fact that they know they are adopted.

died at 25. fuck...that was 14 years ago. what a shame.

fuck you anti abortionists. You have no right to tell others what they can do.

ya, go ahead and say if they had had an abortion, that he would be dead anyways. At least no suffering there. Because he didn't just hurt himself. He hurt everyone around him, that knew him. Imagine the parents that adopted him! They would have felt bad most of all. They did raise him from a baby.

Abortion affects one. Where as, not aborting can effect many. Tell me that's fair.

so your using a story about how your friend found out that his real parents rejected him, set him up for adoption, managed to get into a couple that actually cared about him and a few years down the road, found out that he was adopted, how his real parents really felt about him (and apparently rejected love the couple that adopted him) and proceeded to use that to do drugs to talk about how abortion should be legalized?

it sounds like your friend was an ass for rejecting couple that took him in and from you have posted, your shitting on your "friend's" grave by using him as an example for why abortion should be legalize.

[Killuminati]

so your using a story about how your friend found out that his real parents rejected him, set him up for adoption, managed to get into a couple that actually cared about him and a few years down the road, found out that he was adopted, how his real parents really felt about him (and apparently rejected love the couple that adopted him) and proceeded to use that to do drugs to talk about how abortion should be legalized?

it sounds like your friend was an ass for rejecting couple that took him in and from you have posted, your shitting on your "friend's" grave by using him as an example for why abortion should be legalize.

oh yah, I forgot about that. Not only does he cry about his biological parents disowning him, but he totally forgets about the people who do care for him and love him. Basically a selfish fuck.

[CorvusStormcrow]

nevermind

[Rathynas]

oh yah, I forgot about that. Not only does he cry about his biological parents disowning him, but he totally forgets about the people who do care for him and love him. Basically a selfish fuck.

It's called psychology. People are easily blinded by emotion. Those people are better off being aborted.

[benxanson]

To deny someone else life based on studies which show that they might not do well is a pretty bad reason in my opinion. If that is the case, then sterilizing mentally retarded people would be justified as well, seeing how you are denying someone else life because they might not do well.

[Spankytwo]

And the mother has no right to tell her as-yet unborn child that "well, your life is gonna suck too much if you live. You get a nice injection and die before you take your first breath instead".

Remember before you were born? Yeah...neither do I.


So if I wasnt consciously aware at the time, why should it matter?

[Baralis]

Remember before you were born? Yeah...neither do I.


So if I wasnt consciously aware at the time, why should it matter?

It wouldn't to the child. But as I stated its the reason for the abortion that should be looked at imo. In most cases its people wanting an escape for being irresponsible. Dont we all wish everything in life was idiot proof? None of us would ever have to worry about our actions, someone else would pay our price.

[Rourke]

Murder is killing a conscious being, thats why killing people in vegetable form is not murder. Cause if you classifed murder as killing any organism then you could say I am aborting millions of babies everyday when I jack off.
People don't gain a conscious until a few years into life when they actually know they exsist. Of course that is my view. Do you remember the day you were born? Or on that day could you question anything? Its the same as if you were a sperm in your fathers nutsack.

Get real people :)

if you smoke enough weed, you only kill like 5.

[Choroneye]

This thread was at a loss before it began. Society has truly fallen when people seem to think it's wrong to tell others that MURDER is wrong. There is no right involved. No one has the right or choice to decide their fate. If sluts and whores get screwed, literally, then their lives can go on hold for a year. Tough shit.

[Xalan]

Here is a true story.

I had a good freind named john. He was a normal teenager in every respect. Had normal grades. played on the highschool basketball team. Was generally liked.

Then one day, he was snooping around in his parents room, like kids do from time to time. He found a document. Found out he was adopted. And he was 16 at the time he found out.

At taht point in time, his attitude changed. He confronted his parents. They told him he had been adopted. From that point on.
He needed to find out, where his parents were, if he had any brothers or sisters, and why his parents had given him up for adoption.

Well he found out he had a sister, sister wanted nothign to do with him.
Found out his parents were bad parents, and they wanted nothing to do with him.
By the time he was 18, he had gotten kicked out of the house, for doing drugs. Overdosed on cocaine, and was hanging around with really bad people. He died of an overdose at the age of 25.

So this kid goes from an average teenager to a drug addict and dead in the space of 7 years.

You still think abortions are not okay?

I believe in abortions for that simple reason. Kids who are adopted don't do well when their lives are suddenly changed by the fact that they know they are adopted.

died at 25. fuck...that was 14 years ago. what a shame.

fuck you anti abortionists. You have no right to tell others what they can do.

ya, go ahead and say if they had had an abortion, that he would be dead anyways. At least no suffering there. Because he didn't just hurt himself. He hurt everyone around him, that knew him. Imagine the parents that adopted him! They would have felt bad most of all. They did raise him from a baby.

Abortion affects one. Where as, not aborting can effect many. Tell me that's fair.

Strawman argument.

Look, its not the fault of the mother for not having an abortion. Adoption is always the answer. His adoptive parents made the mistake for not telling the child. But the kid is responsible for his own actions (a lot people of today don't seem to want to believe they are responsible for what they do).

[biggunsar]

oh yah, I forgot about that. Not only does he cry about his biological parents disowning him, but he totally forgets about the people who do care for him and love him. Basically a selfish fuck.

you really, and I mean this. REALLY need to grow up. I can tell your a kid, by your answers. Becuase you have not walked in ANY man's shoes yet. When you grow up, then we can talk.

[Tamural]

You see, having an abortion is much like going to the theaters.

Now, hear me out on this.

When one gets an abortion, they are brought up with "That child could be a genius."

Unfortunately, birthing an insignificant dumbass is more probable than birthing a pseudo-significant genius.

When one goes to the movies, they think "Wow, this movie is probably going to be really, really good!"

Unfortunately, going to a crappy, thoughtless, Hollywood movie is more probable than going to watch a movie that was as great as Serenity.

And on abortion: Why are Christians so against it, again? Sure, it's murder, but with a fetus we can save more lives and one less child that is unwanted is one less criminal or orphan off the street.

Besides: killing a child, young (baby for abortions), is an auto-pass into heaven without the stresses of life.

Not that I care, since I won't be the one getting the abortions or asking a significant other to get an abortion.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll be looking up times for Milk. Take care.

[Honest Bill]

you really, and I mean this. REALLY need to grow up. I can tell your a kid, by your answers. Becuase you have not walked in ANY man's shoes yet. When you grow up, then we can talk.


You're advocating abortion based on this charming anecdote, but you don't take into account, the people who raised him, perhaps he enriched their lives in some way. perhaps they enriched his, as you already remarked, he was fine until he learned the truth. Sounds as if he was a selfish, messed up guy. who had his priorities backwards.

[Tamural]

To deny someone else life based on studies which show that they might not do well is a pretty bad reason in my opinion. If that is the case, then sterilizing mentally retarded people would be justified as well, seeing how you are denying someone else life because they might not do well.

On this.

My cousin was born disabled (mentally and physically, I forgot what the disease is called, if I can remember I'll get back to you). He wasn't really supposed to live past three, but surprisingly he lived longer. His parents just put a DNR on him, because his organs are starting to fail and he's having trouble eating.

When he dies, I'll feel more sorry for my aunt and uncle.

Not because they lost a son. For the relief they will feel after.

I even know people who have down's syndrome children that I can see by just looking at parents that they don't want to deal with the kid anymore. I don't blame them.

Before the "hurr hurr, if you wurr a disabled purrsurr would you want to be offed?" Well, yes. Chances are the parents that birthed me would want to stick me in a public school with "normal" kids (I've been in a class with an autistic child. Kids are fucking assholes). I wouldn't want modest assholes talking about me at the dinner table to their families, and old ladies saying "oh, bless your soul"

Call me shallow. I don't care. I'm shallow, I know. Shallow, but honest.

[1998altima]

Besides: killing a child, young (baby for abortions), is an auto-pass into heaven without the stresses of life.

You know I've never thought of this. I'd like to see a good argument against it.

[Honest Bill]

You know I've never thought of this. I'd like to see a good argument against it.

Original sin

[1998altima]

Original sin

Care to explain further.

[Honest Bill]

Care to explain further.

They believe that due to Adam and Eve's actions, that every person is born into original sin. Thus only after their birth can they be baptised and receive their pass into heaven

[Lethn]

Here's my 'Political/Observer' stance on abortion:

It is purely between the parents of the child whether the hell they want an abortion or not, anyone who is trying interfere with that either has some serious issues of their own or are simply nosy dickheads that don't deserve children of their own.

I will also refer you to the privacy amendment of the constitution and laws in many countries.

The only people who want these laws are either usally Roman Catholics or idiots who feel the need for the government to butt into every aspect of someones' life choices and enforce their religious/cultural viewpoints on people.

[Melamoto]

This thread was at a loss before it began. Society has truly fallen when people seem to think it's wrong to tell others that MURDER is wrong. There is no right involved. No one has the right or choice to decide their fate. If sluts and whores get screwed, literally, then their lives can go on hold for a year. Tough shit.Seriously, murder is NOT the same as abortion! You think that you can call a mindless bundle of developing cells a living BEING, and you're wrong. It may be alive, bit has no thoughts, feelings, emotions, or dreams. The only thing about him is his DNA, which could be horribly crippling. Would you let somebody live a long and tortured life, or maybe a sorrow and hate filled short life, or would you let them die before they even know there's anything wrong? And Sluts and Whores CAN NOT GO ON HOLD FOR A YEAR, they're Sluts and Whores because they NEED TO BE. And besides, the population is growing too fast anyway, and people keep having babies as a result of young love, which is destroying the planet.
you really, and I mean this. REALLY need to grow up. I can tell your a kid, by your answers. Becuase you have not walked in ANY man's shoes yet. When you grow up, then we can talk.What basis do you have for that? It was his own fault, but only directly. The true cause of it was society, but it would take a long time to explain it, and this post is already getting long.

[Beefy]

I'm not following the logic. I understand that you are very upset about your friends death, but I don't understand the leap to "I wish he had never existed in the first place." Better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all.

[Beefy]

Regardng abortion more generally, medically/scientifically speaking, life begins at 22 weeks of birth. This is based on observable medical data of children as young as 22 weeks surviving birth and living to be healthy, fully formed beings. The scientific basis for this is that, if a being can live and survive outside it's host, it is a seperately identifiable living being. Based on this, it would make sense to ban abortion after the 22nd week, based again on observed medical/scientific evidence. Most other industrialized countries other than the US have already done this. It's time for us to step up to the plate and respect human life.

And to pre-empt one of the common arguments, I don't believe in the death penalty.