Latest Generations Lack of Coping Strategies

[antihero-zero]

OK, I just don't understand all the people who have been on these forums for 1 month who are outraged over the first delay of the official release date by only a single month. If you're that naive' about MMOs and are that upset over disappointing news, how the hell are those people going to tolerate getting their loot taken every time they make a mistake in a world full of forum trolls, PKs, and what is being called the best AI ever in any game? My guild has been discussing what has been said here 1000s of times before, namely that many people are going to experience video game culture shock when this goes live, having never played UO or AC.

There is this disgusting trend with the new generation where they've been told they are winners even if they lose in school and by their parents, and they haven't learned to develop the tools to succeed during adversity. I firmly believe most in this latest generation do not know how to cope with losing at anything with a modicum of grace. I'll give you an example that has always baffled me, and you guys tell me if this is just an American phenomenon or if the whole world is like this now.

I used to work at a night club and I witnessed a lot of street fights by drunken untrained people, almost always 21-25 in age, fighting large and well-trained bouncers. After the bouncers effortlessly handed their ass to them, tossing them to the ground or twisting them up and throwing them out the door, in literally a manner of seconds, the loser in the 'fight' would always, I mean literally like 195/200 fights I witnessed, get up and boast about their performance. It was like this weird social sleight-of-hand, where the loser sort of strutted around and bragged to everyone who had just witnessed the entire conflict play out.

Where the fuck do you guys think this kind of thing comes from? And do the EU and Aussies see this shit too?

[Rourke]

Basically, these latest crop of kids are the spawn of Gen X aren't they? I blame Bon Jovi, and Duran Duran.

[Nevron]

It's the bulk of people who have replaced huge portion of the social aspects of their lives with online gaming.

[Rourke]

It's the bulk of people who have replaced huge portion of the social aspects of their lives with online gaming.

Kids don't go fishing enough anymore. Seriously. Fishing is a great way to learn about failure, and patience and being rewarded for TRYING.

[jonyak]

OK, I just don't understand all the people who have been on these forums for 1 month who are outraged over the first delay of the official release date by only a single month. If you're that naive' about MMOs and are that upset over disappointing news, how the hell are those people going to tolerate getting their loot taken every time they make a mistake in a world full of forum trolls, PKs, and what is being called the best AI ever in any game? My guild has been discussing what has been said here 1000s of times before, namely that many people are going to experience video game culture shock when this goes live, having never played UO or AC.

There is this disgusting trend with the new generation where they've been told they are winners even if they lose in school and by their parents, and they haven't learned to develop the tools to succeed during adversity. I firmly believe most in this latest generation do not know how to cope with losing at anything with a modicum of grace. I'll give you an example that has always baffled me, and you guys tell me if this is just an American phenomenon or if the whole world is like this now.

I used to work at a night club and I witnessed a lot of street fights by drunken untrained people, almost always 21-25 in age, fighting large and well-trained bouncers. After the bouncers effortlessly handed their ass to them, tossing them to the ground or twisting them up and throwing them out the door, in literally a manner of seconds, the loser in the 'fight' would always, I mean literally like 195/200 fights I witnessed, get up and boast about their performance. It was like this weird social sleight-of-hand, where the loser sort of strutted around and bragged to everyone who had just witnessed the entire conflict play out.

Where the fuck do you guys think this kind of thing comes from? And do the EU and Aussies see this shit too?

How old are you?

[Morthor]

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I've never seen someone be dumb enough to try and attack a bouncer in my home city but in Spain I saw a few fights.. I don't think they were in any state to simply get up though. Nevermind boast about it.

But on the other hand, where I live it seems the security in the big clubs is ridiculously strict. One of the flatmates pulled out a cigarette and a lighter in a club one time (smoking is now banned in the UK inside public places dont know about the US) - as soon as he put it to his lips he was grabbed round the neck pretty visciously and thrown out. It was quite impressive really but obviously, totally unnecessary.

I agreew ith you though, people should man up.

[Miira]

Annoyed: yes, outraged: no. An argument could also be made for; What happened to honesty and keeping promises? People should be more upset than they are.

Its all irrelevant anyway, those still posting on the forums will still be around at launch and pay for the game, no matter how annoyed they are at Adventurine. Those who are fed up have already left.

[Capricious]

I'm still trying to make the connection between people complaining about a delay and your experiences while working as a bouncer.




Ah, got it. You just wanted to let everyone know you were a bouncer.

[Megumi]

OK, I just don't understand all the people who have been on these forums for 1 month who are outraged over the first delay of the official release date by only a single month. If you're that naive' about MMOs and are that upset over disappointing news, how the hell are those people going to tolerate getting their loot taken everytime they make a mistake in a world full of forum trolls, PKs, and what is being called the best AI ever in any game? My guild has been discussing what has been said here 1000s of times before, namely that many people are going to experience video game culture shock when this goes live, having never played UO or AC.

There is this disgusting trend with the new generation where they've been told they are winners even if they lose in school and by their parents, and they haven't learned to develop the tools to succeed during adversity. I firmly believe most in this latest generation do not know how to cope with losing at anything with a modicrum of grace. I'll give you an example that has always baffled me, and you guys tell me if this is just an American phenomenon or if the whole world is like this now.

I used to work at a night club and I witnessed a lot of street fights by drunken untrained people, almost always 21-25 in age, fighting large and well-trained bouncers. After the bouncers effortlessly handed their ass to them, tossing them to the ground or twisting them up and throwing them out the door, in literally a manner of seconds, the loser in the 'fight' would always, I mean literally like 195/200 fights I witnessed, get up and boast about their performance. It was like this weird social sleight-of-hand, where the loser sort of strutted around and bragged to everyone who had just witnessed the entire conflict play out.

Where the fuck do you guys think this kind of thing comes from? And do the EU and Aussies see this shit too?

We see a lot of it in England. Especially with the current teenagers.

In England it stems from a mix of being told their special and good enough, regardless of whatever they do and the fact that if an adult decks them, they can press charges and the adult gets in trouble while they walk. This is especially annoying when they've physically threatened/attempted to rob the adult or have been caught vandalizing their property. There's also a hideous amount of fail in our justice system when it comes to dealing with juvenile offenders along with an inability to publish the names of juvenile offenders in the news papers.

As far as their inability to deal with situations...that's what happens when society coddles them at every fucking turn.

[Ultor83]

With the bouncer thing, I've seen it a few times up here in Scotland. I always try and get a good seat for a view as its always good entertainment value. Its always so obvious that they've just got their ass handed to them on a plate but they swagger off like there was 20 bouncers, they had been jumped and they came out on top lol.

To your point in general about a culture about not knowing how to lose. I just have to look at the fact they had the thing about stopping young kids school sports days as they didn't feel it was fair on the losers... wtf.


From a gaming point of view its not helped that developers are making games easier and less challenging to appeal to larger amounts off people and then if its still to hard those people complain, thus they make games easier still. Its a cycle that results in constant winners but very little challenge or achievement actual attained in my eyes but in theirs they are amazing.

[Ezion]

The release date got pushed back? Damn, I was happy being oblivious. Guess I'll have another month to work on a project I've been developing, though.

[sylent]

Kids don't go fishing enough anymore. Seriously. Fishing is a great way to learn about failure, and patience and being rewarded for TRYING.


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[Rathynas]

Agree.

[holychicken]

I agree with your sentiment about kids not learning how to lose or the fact that they are not the best, but the reaction to the game being pushed back is different.

The explicitly said that they would not set a date unless they knew they could make it, left us in the dark for well over a month after the release announcement with little more than an official peep and then waited until a week before launch to announce delaying it.

Basically, it went from you get to play in a week to gl getting in in a week and, if you are in NA, we are setting you to tell you that you will be blocked from the official EU release in a month.

The reaction was justified. They botched this terribly.

[Desperado[1G]]

This has been happening for the better part of a decade. Anyone following the game, at any point, should know full well that their promises don't amount to shit.

People like the idea of Darkfall, and so that's where the unwarranted faith in the company comes from. They want to believe Aventurine can hold true to their word and make their ideal game, but then reality kicks them square in the face, and realize their faith was misplaced, so they act like they've been suddenly wronged.

This company has a lot of ground to make up before I start putting any weight to their words.

[Bosemann]

OK, I just don't understand all the people who have been on these forums for 1 month who are outraged over the first delay of the official release date by only a single month. If you're that naive' about MMOs and are that upset over disappointing news, how the hell are those people going to tolerate getting their loot taken every time they make a mistake in a world full of forum trolls, PKs, and what is being called the best AI ever in any game? My guild has been discussing what has been said here 1000s of times before, namely that many people are going to experience video game culture shock when this goes live, having never played UO or AC.

There is this disgusting trend with the new generation where they've been told they are winners even if they lose in school and by their parents, and they haven't learned to develop the tools to succeed during adversity. I firmly believe most in this latest generation do not know how to cope with losing at anything with a modicum of grace. I'll give you an example that has always baffled me, and you guys tell me if this is just an American phenomenon or if the whole world is like this now.

I used to work at a night club and I witnessed a lot of street fights by drunken untrained people, almost always 21-25 in age, fighting large and well-trained bouncers. After the bouncers effortlessly handed their ass to them, tossing them to the ground or twisting them up and throwing them out the door, in literally a manner of seconds, the loser in the 'fight' would always, I mean literally like 195/200 fights I witnessed, get up and boast about their performance. It was like this weird social sleight-of-hand, where the loser sort of strutted around and bragged to everyone who had just witnessed the entire conflict play out.

Where the fuck do you guys think this kind of thing comes from? And do the EU and Aussies see this shit too?

I don't think you're accurately assessing the situation. Join Date is not the determining factor for how you view the news. Just stop and actually look at the people posting.

And trying to compare how people talk on a forum (people act differently when its impersonal) , when most of the time you don't even know their age, to the so called "failures" of the generation that's just grown up is ludicrous.

[The Cougar]

I didn't know people were crying about this. Well, I suppose I did know, but I haven't actually been to GD to witness it yet.


I have a friend that worked as a bouncer.

[Marbo]

I don't know about any crying either, I am just excited that it might be out within the year.

[antihero-zero]

How old are you?

I'm 30.

I'm still trying to make the connection between people complaining about a delay and your experiences while working as a bouncer. Ah, got it. You just wanted to let everyone know you were a bouncer.

Very impressive trolling, but not only did I not work as a bouncer, I never stated I did either. Boy, reading comprehension sure if hard when you're dumb, huh?

To your point in general about a culture about not knowing how to lose. I just have to look at the fact they had the thing about stopping young kids school sports days as they didn't feel it was fair on the losers... wtf.

I'm not familiar with this sports in school reference. What did they recently change about sports in school?

Basically, it went from you get to play in a week to gl getting in in a week and, if you are in NA, we are setting you to tell you that you will be blocked from the official EU release in a month.

Blocked from the EU play? Haha, I rather doubt that very much. They would lose a tremendous amount of revenue and all because they were unwilling to add a few extra servers. That would be one of the dumbest moves they could ever make from a business standpoint.

[Warhawk]

Basically, these latest crop of kids are the spawn of Gen X aren't they? I blame Bon Jovi, and Duran Duran.

I blame parents who instantly gratify their kid's wants because they cant 'deal' with the whining they hear if they dont.

I employ young people every year, and it's amazing how they can't handle a problem that isnt resolved in a instant or without some effort/thinking.

[antihero-zero]

I employ young people every year, and it's amazing how they can't handle a problem that isnt resolved in a instant or without some effort/thinking.

If you don't mind me asking, what do you employ them to do?

And trying to compare how people talk on a forum (people act differently when its impersonal) , when most of the time you don't even know their age, to the so called "failures" of the generation that's just grown up is ludicrous.

Perhaps I didn't make this clear enough, I had a newegg package arrive and shot off to deal with setting up new gear instead of properly clarifying my point. I didn't mean to imply that only the young people with recent join dates were the only ones over-dramatizing the news of the delay, but certainly some are. I just happen to believe there is a cultural divide in the most recent generation, especially that most of the younger generations aren't learning to cope with loss as well as my generation did. The people I witnessed in my story that would get beaten up and then boast about it are sort of the epitome of this failure to cope with loss, and assuming my experiences aren't unique to America, some of these types are going to have a very hard time at Darkfall when they don't come out on top.

Sadly, as we know from other games too, few will gracefully leave to find something that suits their tastes, and instead they'll hang around and bitch about the very mechanics that will make this a sandbox and PvP-viable. I was just reminded of this when I read some of the overreactions in the delay threads here today, with many people who joined this month expressing their anger and some stating that they now wouldn't ever play because of the delay.

[jumpinsnakes]

OK, I just don't understand all the people who have been on these forums for 1 month who are outraged over the first delay of the official release date by only a single month. If you're that naive' about MMOs and are that upset over disappointing news, how the hell are those people going to tolerate getting their loot taken every time they make a mistake in a world full of forum trolls, PKs, and what is being called the best AI ever in any game? My guild has been discussing what has been said here 1000s of times before, namely that many people are going to experience video game culture shock when this goes live, having never played UO or AC.

There is this disgusting trend with the new generation where they've been told they are winners even if they lose in school and by their parents, and they haven't learned to develop the tools to succeed during adversity. I firmly believe most in this latest generation do not know how to cope with losing at anything with a modicum of grace. I'll give you an example that has always baffled me, and you guys tell me if this is just an American phenomenon or if the whole world is like this now.

I used to work at a night club and I witnessed a lot of street fights by drunken untrained people, almost always 21-25 in age, fighting large and well-trained bouncers. After the bouncers effortlessly handed their ass to them, tossing them to the ground or twisting them up and throwing them out the door, in literally a manner of seconds, the loser in the 'fight' would always, I mean literally like 195/200 fights I witnessed, get up and boast about their performance. It was like this weird social sleight-of-hand, where the loser sort of strutted around and bragged to everyone who had just witnessed the entire conflict play out.

Where the fuck do you guys think this kind of thing comes from? And do the EU and Aussies see this shit too?

LoL people who get fucked up in a fight and don't have any respect afterwards for the person who owned them always try to look like it wasn't that bad. This has been going on since human's have been fighting.

Theres no social stigma here. An example of what you guys are talking about is all the kids who finish college and move back in with their parents for a long period of time.

[holychicken]

Blocked from the EU play? Haha, I rather doubt that very much. They would lose a tremendous amount of revenue and all because they were unwilling to add a few extra servers. That would be one of the dumbest moves they could ever make from a business standpoint.
They already made a boneheaded move and that was claiming the game was done, saying they would never announce a release date if they weren't ready to release and then delaying the game a WEEK before they are supposed to release it.

And what better way to scale back the number of players trying to get in at release than blocking the 50% of players who are trying to connect from overseas?

Don't be surprised if it happens. Read the release again carefully, they are clearly indicating that they are currently deciding how to integrate NA.

I suspect NA gets fucked out of "trial time" (before the feb 25th) or we don't get access to the EU servers on release. I have not heard a reasonable and optimistic (for NA players) interpretation of the release.

[1998altima]

They already made a boneheaded move and that was claiming the game was done, saying they would never announce a release date if they weren't ready to release and then delaying the game a WEEK before they are supposed to release it.


That's basically why I'm pissed. Not exactly outraged though. If they had kept saying they 'were testing the game, it will be ready soon'. I would have been fine, but they stated a specific date and they fucked it up.

[Warhawk]

If you don't mind me asking, what do you employ them to do?

It depends on what the contract work is, but generally just general labor. I contract all sorts of work...small construction, landscape, demolition work ( gutting buildings ).

Many of these people are college students looking for part time or seasonal work. I dont know how they will manage in actual careers.

[antihero-zero]

LoL people who get fucked up in a fight and don't have any respect afterwards for the person who owned them always try to look like it wasn't that bad. This has been going on since human's have been fighting.

Theres no social stigma here. An example of what you guys are talking about is all the kids who finish college and move back in with their parents for a long period of time.

Has it always been the case? You might be right, but I grew up in a rough neighborhood and there was a lot of fighting at my high school, so I had seen a lot of violence prior to watching those assholes brag about losing. Yes, there is often some saving face that people attempt to maintain, and you might expect someone who is embarrassed to make a joke or attack the person as he walks away... but strut around and put on a show for all the onlookers, pretending you had just won? I never saw this until a few years ago and I assume it's a generational thing.

As for the moving back in after college, that has a lot to do with how our economy has changed from my parent's generation. The world of a single income middle-class family man and his house wife and children is dead and gone. You'd need like four full-time jobs at minimum wage to keep a family above water these days, it's absurdly more difficult now.

[Rourke]

I blame parents who instantly gratify their kid's wants because they cant 'deal' with the whining they hear if they dont.

I employ young people every year, and it's amazing how they can't handle a problem that isnt resolved in a instant or without some effort/thinking.


Same with our company...we do a lot of hand-holding.

[Agge]

Yeah, sounds like my generation and younger alright. Much like your example I ended up in a fight with a guy that happend to piss me of on the wrong day. Later that day and a few days after I heard rumores about him beating the shit out of me, a close friend asked me what happend and asked if it was true, I said that he could belive whatever the fuck he wanted to.

Point is, that guy never dared to even approach me after that incident, even though he was supposebly some real fucking tough guy.

I have a hard time seeing people soo full of themself to be able to take a hit to their self-esteem when they think they are above everyone else (a great example would be Lenth).

But hey, theres always WoW.

[Salardc]

This is also perpetuated by "everyone's a winner". Their are trophies for everyone and everyone's a winner just for participating. Noone is a "loser", just second winner. I remember when I was young second place was first loser and you worked harder to accomplish more. The real world doesn't have the "everyone's a winner" protocol, so I think children are being diserviced in this regard. This is apparant by the tantrums seen on the boards today.

[Korverone]

My grandmother is 88. She has been thru wars, her children dieing and all sorts of distressing problems in life and not until the last few years do they want her on physic meds. Now she is 88 she may have a need for them. How ever these kids these days go to a therapist to talk about their break up and only get put on Prozac or something similar. They are given pills so the industry can make $. So while the drug industry gets rich the next generation has no coping skills. I can’t wait to play this game just because I know there will be so many broken keyboards and kicked computers. Maybe it makes me lesser of a person but I think its ridiculous to let a game or what people to on it actually make you angry. I must say for all my UO XP the thing that game thought me was the futility of letting someone piss you off in these games. To me it’s the only way you really lose anymore and I do get a kick out of it when these kids get so pissed of they could kill. I don't think they know what they are getting into.

[TheDor]

So you're comparing the developers lieing and misleading us, to losing some pixels in the game. Brilliant!

[Agge]

This is also perpetuated by "everyone's a winner". Their are trophies for everyone and everyone's a winner just for participating. Noone is a "loser", just second winner. I remember when I was young second place was first loser and you worked harder to accomplish more. The real world doesn't have the "everyone's a winner" protocol, so I think children are being diserviced in this regard. This is apparant by the tantrums seen on the boards today.

I couldn't agree more.

So you're comparing the developers lieing and misleading us, to losing some pixels in the game. Brilliant!

Or maybe they just miss-predicted?

[TheDor]

Or maybe they just miss-predicted?

Dev journal #25:
So why don't we announce a date already? It's because there's no way we'll miss a release date and we're not going to just set a date as a goal, and either postpone or be forced to release something unfinished. We resolve to stick with our release date because we know how people tend to plan around this as far as organization, time and hardware goes when they're looking to make a commitment to an MMORPG, especially a competitive one like Darkfall.

[antihero-zero]

Dev journal #25:

Where in that quote does it say they can predict the future and will therefore be lying about it if it doesn't happen exactly as stated? Yes, they fucked up, but not everything in making this MMO is in Aventurine's control. They didn't account for many of the companies that they needed to coordinate with taking an extended holiday leave. Since they are in the last phases of development, many of these companies are probably new partnerships and they simply didn't know what to expect. There is a big difference between lying to your customers to deceive them so you can make a quick buck, and neglecting to account for all the variables and being wrong. What you're saying is that you assume they intentionally deceived you and that they are lying about those circumstances now, which I think is silly considering they don't even have anyone's money yet so I don't see their motive.

What they've told us is that this game is very much almost completely ready to ship, and they've stated so a few times since the end of last year. Now if they were to have said they were certain about their Jan release date and then came out and pushed it back 6 months, obviously they would have really fucked up. A 1 month delay isn't the end of the world, and in this climate if people are still taking work vacations to occur with MMO launchs, they are idiots who haven't learned anything from the last 10 years of gaming. Essentially, the release date is ALWAYS pushed back, as much as it sucks.

They're a new company, they're going to get some things wrong, it happens. Remember, they don't have any of your money and nobody has paid for a preorder, so if they're late in their launch you don't have a lot of ammo to get upset at them for it.

[Haeso]

Annoyed: yes, outraged: no. An argument could also be made for; What happened to honesty and keeping promises? People should be more upset than they are.

Its all irrelevant anyway, those still posting on the forums will still be around at launch and pay for the game, no matter how annoyed they are at Adventurine. Those who are fed up have already left.

And will be back. Anyone who refuses to play this game once it releases just because it's late is an idiot lol. If they want to wait for reviews that's fine, but if the reviews are good and they refuse to play, just because of a missed date? That's hilarious.

[Timthelord]

I hate fishing.

[Vanno]

You are developing a general theory based upon your observations at a night club? Sample bias much?

I hate fishing.
And this. The only fishing I'm interested in uses dollars for bait and people for fish.

[NapalmEnema]

Everyone is a winner.
Instant gratification or tears ensue.
Don't hurt my feelings or anyone else's feelings.

These are the prime directives of modern society.

We breed mediocrity, please stand in line for your ribbon proclaiming you are a winner even though you came in dead last and were beaten by a cripple and two retards.

Thanks for playing.

[Vanno]

Everyone is a winner.
Instant gratification or tears ensue.
Don't hurt my feelings or anyone else's feelings.

These are the prime directives of modern society.

We breed mediocrity, please stand in line for your ribbon proclaiming you are a winner even though you came in dead last and were beaten by a cripple and two retards.

Thanks for playing.

While I acknowledge this as hyperbole, it is damn funny.

[omnigol]

Dev journal #25:

Come on man. Ever tried to organize some kind of project or task over a long period of time with multiple people? Making an infallible release date is impossible. They aren't even depending solely on themselves, they're having to work with outside companies for the release. Besides it's a game not some medical service that adversely affects your health. Like a musicians album I couldn't care less if it gets delayed, but whether it's actually worth my time once it's out.

[1998altima]

I don't know... I guess I just like the earlier days when the Devs just said soon™. Twas' a simpler time and I would always believed Darkfall was coming. But since they announced an official date and have now changed it. What's to say they won't do it again? If they are really fucked, they might as well go back to saying soon™, I'd be happier.

[mebraingot]

how is this off the topic of darkfall

[TheDor]

Come on man. Ever tried to organize some kind of project or task over a long period of time with multiple people?

No, I haven't. Apparantly neither has Aventurine.

[Haeso]

how is this off the topic of darkfall

This thread is dangerously on topic.

[antihero-zero]

You are developing a general theory based upon your observations at a night club? Sample bias much?

Uh, did I say I did a university study on this? No. But when you're witnessing 195/200 fights over a year and everyone who goes there does the same shit, be it either on cowboy night, or 'alternative' music night, or hip hop night, all with very different crowds arriving, it makes you think there must be something to it. I felt it was probably a generational thing because I never saw that growing up, not once. Now there was plenty of cowardice and poor 'sportsmanship' in other ways, but flamboyant boasting to a crowd who had just witnessed you lose at something wasn't on the menu.

I'm not entirely certain of where it comes from, but the presentation of your performance is now more important than your actual performance to almost everyone in the US. Humility is not well-valued here.

I don't know... I guess I just like the earlier days when the Devs just said soon™. Twas' a simpler time and I would always believed Darkfall was coming. But since they announced an official date and have now changed it. What's to say they won't do it again? If they are really fucked, they might as well go back to saying soon™, I'd be happier.

What, are you new? You want certainty, stop playing MMOs.

[Carl Ragadamn]

This thread is dangerously on topic.

We get away with a few on topic threads, mostly because the mods dont want most of us to post in GD.

[[Leon]]

OK, I just don't understand all the people who have been on these forums for 1 month who are outraged over the first delay of the official release date by only a single month. If you're that naive' about MMOs and are that upset over disappointing news, how the hell are those people going to tolerate getting their loot taken every time they make a mistake in a world full of forum trolls, PKs, and what is being called the best AI ever in any game? My guild has been discussing what has been said here 1000s of times before, namely that many people are going to experience video game culture shock when this goes live, having never played UO or AC.

There is this disgusting trend with the new generation where they've been told they are winners even if they lose in school and by their parents, and they haven't learned to develop the tools to succeed during adversity. I firmly believe most in this latest generation do not know how to cope with losing at anything with a modicum of grace. I'll give you an example that has always baffled me, and you guys tell me if this is just an American phenomenon or if the whole world is like this now.

I used to work at a night club and I witnessed a lot of street fights by drunken untrained people, almost always 21-25 in age, fighting large and well-trained bouncers. After the bouncers effortlessly handed their ass to them, tossing them to the ground or twisting them up and throwing them out the door, in literally a manner of seconds, the loser in the 'fight' would always, I mean literally like 195/200 fights I witnessed, get up and boast about their performance. It was like this weird social sleight-of-hand, where the loser sort of strutted around and bragged to everyone who had just witnessed the entire conflict play out.

Where the fuck do you guys think this kind of thing comes from? And do the EU and Aussies see this shit too?

Someone talking about success and copeing...whom is a bouncer....seriously perhaps you should pick up a book, read maybe get a job which involves some intelligence.

[LordTenacious]

;2384114']Someone talking about success and copeing...whom is a bouncer....seriously perhaps you should pick up a book, read maybe get a job which involves some intelligence.

Once again, forumfall shows itself to be fantastic in the area of reading comprehension.

[Rourke]

Once again, forumfall shows itself to be fantastic in the area of reading comprehension.


Are you pointing out the fact that the OP had the word USED in the last paragraph?

talking about you, Leon..IF that is your REAL NAME.

;2384114']Someone talking about success and copeing...whom is a bouncer....seriously perhaps you should pick up a book, read maybe get a job which involves some intelligence.

[LordTenacious]

Actually I was pointing this out.

I witnessed a lot of street fights by drunken untrained people, almost always 21-25 in age, fighting large and well-trained bouncers.

Hmmmm.

[Carl Ragadamn]

Once again, forumfall shows itself to be fantastic in the area of reading comprehension.

I am often surprised at how often you still get surprised.

[Temet nosce]

Since your post dulled me to indifference rapidly I'm going to assume it was referring to the general spinelessness, and the pride kids take in being spineless these days. In which case I agree. If you were talking about something else, don't tell me. I'm not interested.

[Pcheez]

Actually I was pointing this out.



Hmmmm.

Do not point out flaws in replies, it crushes e-thug self esteem.

Do you want to be a dreamwrecker ? Do you ?

[LordTenacious]

I am often surprised at how often you still get surprised.

I am stupid enough to keep my hope that we will all learn one day.

I should probably just hit myself in the head with a hammer instead.

[LordTenacious]

Do not point out flaws in replies, it crushes e-thug self esteem.

Do you want to be a dreamwrecker ? Do you ?

Oh God I didn't know.

Forgive me Leon! FORGIVE ME! Everything I said was a lie.

[Rourke]

Actually I was pointing this out.



Hmmmm.

I went full retard didn't I? :(

[Rourke]

Do not point out flaws in replies, it crushes e-thug self esteem.

Do you want to be a dreamwrecker ? Do you ?

I agreed with Lord, then quoted the word "used" in reference to the fact that I also mis-understood the OP, which makes me a double-douche.

[DrGreenThumb]

I blame Bon Jovi, and Duran Duran.

Those 2 names just sent a terrifying shiver down my back...

[Pcheez]

I went full retard didn't I? :(

Diacf, thats my fucking line.

[Pcheez]

Those 2 names just sent a terrifying shiver down my back...

They sent one down mine to, which resulted in a rush of blood to my cock.

I now have an unwelcome (or is it?) erection.

How do i solve this ?

[DrGreenThumb]

They sent one down mine to, which resulted in a rush of blood to my cock.

I now have an unwelcome (or is it?) erection.

How do i solve this ?

Jeez... ok ok... first things first, and this is very time important... get a shower, a cold one then seek medical advice!!!

I kinda had an opposite reaction, of grabbing something heavy and trying to knock myself the fuck out, i failed then plan b came into fruitation... run away!

[Carl Ragadamn]

I am stupid enough to keep my hope that we will all learn one day.

I should probably just hit myself in the head with a hammer instead.

I think the only cure is some time being "educated" by Surly. Which may feel similar to being hit with a hammer...

[LordTenacious]

...But I poop from there.

[RemeN]

I blame parents who instantly gratify their kid's wants because they cant 'deal' with the whining they hear if they dont.

I employ young people every year, and it's amazing how they can't handle a problem that isnt resolved in a instant or without some effort/thinking.

Hit the nail on the head. Seriously, this is evident with my niece and nephews. If they don't get their own way, they cry. If they lose, they throw a hissy fit. If they get told off, they cry. And what's worse? My sister gives in and lets them, they actually dislike me watching them because I don't. Show's how fucking much our new generation values, winning and nothing else. Now, of course, winning is a good thing to get motivated for, but once you start losing in an ungracious manner.. Well, you need to learn how to.

In all fairness, I used to get pissed off at losing in FPS games. But hey, what can you do when you were used to being amazingly good (3:1/4:1 K/D Ratio's) and went down to barely equal :P

[Rourke]

They sent one down mine to, which resulted in a rush of blood to my cock.

I now have an unwelcome (or is it?) erection.

How do i solve this ?


There is only one solution sir. watch this and call me in the morning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbhXmSBlS_U

[Pcheez]

There is only one solution sir. watch this and call me in the morning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbhXmSBlS_U

I would rather be making you breakfast.

[Rourke]

I would rather be making you breakfast.

Wow. That kinda freaks me right the fuck out man.

[Pcheez]

Wow. That kinda freaks me right the fuck out man.

That was the entire point.

I cant cook for shit, and i like tacos.