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[LoD] EE
01-13-2009, 03:41 AM
Californians look for the exit (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090112/ap_on_re_us/fleeing_california_3)



LOS ANGELES – Mike Reilly spent his lifetime chasing the California dream. This year he's going to look for it in Colorado.

With a house purchase near Denver in the works, the 38-year-old engineering contractor plans to move his family 1,200 miles away from his home state's lemon groves, sunshine and beaches. For him, years of rising taxes, dead-end schools, unchecked illegal immigration and clogged traffic have robbed the Golden State of its allure.

Is there something left of the California dream?

"If you are a Hollywood actor," Reilly says, "but not for us."

Since the days of the Gold Rush, California has represented the Promised Land, an image celebrated in the songs of the Beach Boys and embodied by Silicon Valley's instant millionaires and the young men and women who achieve stardom in Hollywood.

But for many California families last year, tomorrow started somewhere else.

The number of people leaving California for another state outstripped the number moving in from another state during the year ending on July 1, 2008. California lost a net total of 144,000 people during that period — more than any other state, according to census estimates. That is about equal to the population of Syracuse, N.Y.

The state with the next-highest net loss through migration between states was New York, which lost just over 126,000 residents.

California's loss is extremely small in a state of 38 million. And, in fact, the state's population continues to increase overall because of births and immigration, legal and illegal. But it is the fourth consecutive year that more residents decamped from California for other states than arrived here from within the U.S.

A losing streak that long hasn't happened in California since the recession of the early 1990s, when departures outstripped arrivals from other states by 362,000 in 1994 alone.

In part because of the boom in population in other Western states, California could lose a congressional seat for the first time in its history.

Why are so many looking for an exit?

Among other things: California's unemployment rate hit 8.4 percent in November, the third-highest in the nation, and it is expected to get worse. A record 236,000 foreclosures are projected for 2008, more than the prior nine years combined, according to research firm MDA DataQuick. Personal income was about flat last year.

With state government facing a $41.6 billion budget hole over 18 months, residents are bracing for higher taxes, cuts in education and postponed tax rebates. A multibillion-dollar plan to remake downtown Los Angeles has stalled, and office vacancy rates there and in San Diego and San Jose surpass the 10.2 percent national average.

Median housing prices have nose-dived one-third from a 2006 peak, but many homes are still out of reach for middle-class families. Some small towns are on the brink of bankruptcy. Normally recession-proof Hollywood has been hit by layoffs.

"You see wages go down and the cost of living go up," Reilly says. His property taxes will be $1,300 in Colorado, down from $4,300 on his three-bedroom house in Nipomo, about 80 miles up the coast from Santa Barbara.

California's obituary has been written before — "California: The Endangered Dream" was the title of a 1991 Time magazine cover story. The Golden State and its huge economy — by itself, the eighth-largest in the world — have shown resilience, weathering the aerospace bust, the dot-com crash and an energy crunch in recent years.

But this time, the news just keeps getting worse.

A state board halted lending for about 2,000 public works projects in California worth more than $16 billion because the state could not afford them. A report by Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., last month said the state lost 100,000 jobs in the last year and the erosion of home prices eliminated over $1 trillion in wealth.

"I don't think the California dream, per se, is over. It has become and will continue to become grittier," says New America Foundation senior fellow Gregory Rodriguez. "Now, perhaps, we have to reassess the California of our imagination."

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is among those who say the state needs to create itself anew, rebuilding roads, schools and transit.

"We've lived off the investments our parents made in the '50s and '60s for a long time," says Tim Hodson, director of the Center for California Studies at California State University, Sacramento. "We're somewhat in the position of a Rust Belt state in the 1970s."

Financial adviser Barry Hartz lived in California for 60 years and once ran for state Assembly before relocating with his wife last year to Colorado Springs, Colo., where his son's family had moved.

"The saddest thing I saw was the escalation of home prices to the point our kids, when they got married, could not live in the community where they lived and grew up," Hartz says. "Some people call that progress."

Spineless_DoO
01-13-2009, 03:49 AM
Everyone I have ever known personaly that went to Cali is not in Cali anymore. Its pretty funny actualy. You can find a decent job but the problem is your cost of living within an hour of that decent job is going to eat all that extra money you are making. The entire state is fail tbh. I mean ffs they elected a walking shitbag if there ever was one.

Bloody blade
01-13-2009, 03:59 AM
Though i am to young to vote and all that stuff, i love Cali. How many of you live within riding bikes distance from the beach? How many of you live in very comfortable temperatures that don't vary to much? How many of you eat fresh seafood that was only caught 1-2 days before hand? Where i live the school system is great, and the quality of living is fantastic. Fuck you.

I Eat Children
01-13-2009, 04:03 AM
Though i am to young to vote and all that stuff, i love Cali. How many of you live within riding bikes distance from the beach? How many of you live in very comfortable temperatures that don't vary to much? How many of you eat fresh seafood that was only caught 1-2 days before hand? Where i live the school system is great, and the quality of living is fantastic. Fuck you.

Of course the living is hreat, but the question is. Is it worth it?

The dirty cities, crazy people everywhere, illegals, and high cost of living just turn it down, that is if you live in Southern Cali anyway. Northern Cali is a lot better and more down to roots.

[LoD] EE
01-13-2009, 04:09 AM
Everyone I have ever known personaly that went to Cali is not in Cali anymore. Its pretty funny actualy. You can find a decent job but the problem is your cost of living within an hour of that decent job is going to eat all that extra money you are making. The entire state is fail tbh. I mean ffs they elected a walking shitbag if there ever was one.

I live in CA for 33 years, I left there last Feb.

What you say is correct. I was making a measly $13 a hour but working 60-80 hours a week and doing side work as well. I was pulling a combined $60,000 a year but the cost of living sucked.

$1200 mo for a tiny ass 900 sq ft Duplex.
$350mo for insurance on two cars.
Registration for one car was $56, for the other was $45 and the truck was $250.

Now take Misery.

$400 mo for a 1200 sq ft house
$106 mo for the better coverage on insurance
Registration for the cars will be about $20 and the truck was $44

In CA could wake up, get dressed, get my coffee and breakfast and drive the 4 miles to work at 4:30am in about 15 minutes. The same drive on the way home could take a hour.

The only good things about Misery is, gas is cheap, they have E-85 but the one things that sucks, No god damned work. I have been living off of unemployment and my savings for almost a year and that was only possible because of moving out here.

[LoD] EE
01-13-2009, 04:11 AM
Though i am to young to vote and all that stuff, i love Cali. How many of you live within riding bikes distance from the beach? How many of you live in very comfortable temperatures that don't vary to much? How many of you eat fresh seafood that was only caught 1-2 days before hand? Where i live the school system is great, and the quality of living is fantastic. Fuck you.

CA beaches suck ( Huntington, Balboa etc ). Some nasty ass people live off the beach and even nastier visit. Too many fatties now days.

The weather rocked though. I lived in the IE ( Redlands/Highland ) and I would really love to get back to the 60 degree winters, its about 20 degrees out right now and is going to drop into the negatives tonight haha.