The American SS. Welcome to the Obamanation

[Xalan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecDxMQcsLg
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_010609/content/01125113.guest.html
http://change.gov/americaserves/
http://www.bizzyblog.com/ChangeDotGovService110808.html

Welcome to the new Obama administration. Welcome to Obamas new Amercia.
The man himself is starting his own private army. Your children and yes even you (18-25)will be finger printed, DNA sampled and psychologically profiled.
What will you get for this, well you will get a shiny new view of what America should be, and a brand new national ID card.

Those of you with your hokey views of having freedom and civil liberties beware.

Your petty constitution and you amendments mean nothing to the great Obama.

/sarcasm off

The civil service pre Obama is not the civil service that is being suggested by Obama. Never before has this country faced the impending change of what civil service means. Never before in this country have civillians been told they MUST serve 50 hours while in middle school or high school and 3 months while in college and an untold amount of hours if you are a retiree. You need to go read Obama's website and get a grip on what is happening here. http://www.change.gov/americaserves/

If you are a teenager and you don't serve you won't get your diploma. If you are a college student and you don't serve you won't get your loans and or the ability to register. If you are a retiree and you don't serve you won't get social security or medicare.

America is now entering complete and total Socialism/Communism/Marxism

What punishment lies for those who refuse.

I wonder when those who oppose Obama will start vanishing.

Change... sweet, sweet change.

[Jo0wZ]

Yes, that's why US voted for him, they want change you nasty republican.

Everything you said is a good thing, hillbilly.

[Xzi]

ZOMG ZOMG *Tinfoil*

[Xzi]

U guize wanna know sumtin else? Liek I herd Obama eets teh souls of newborns. Troof.

[Desperado[1G]]

ZOMG ZOMG *Tinfoil*

oh the irony

[Xalan]

Yes, that's why US voted for him, they want change you nasty republican.

Everything you said is a good thing, hillbilly.


So your leader forcing you to serve, even limited, in his own private little army, is a good thing?

I wonder how many Germans said that before WW2

[Xzi]

So your leader forcing you to serve, even limited, in his own private little army, is a good thing?

I wonder how many Germans said that before WW2
I'll believe your stupid BS when I'm getting fingerprinted. Our state doesn't even have the resources to keep health inspections going, let alone be able to fingerprint everyone.

Not to mention that none of the links you posted verify anything you're saying. Attempting to use Rush Limbaugh as a source is just pathetic.

[Jo0wZ]

So your leader forcing you to serve, even limited, in his own private little army, is a good thing?

I wonder how many Germans said that before WW2

To serve is a good thing, It builds discipline.
The youth of today is way to spoiled, also if Hitler wasn't anti-semitic and start the war thing he would be a good leader.

[Desperado[1G]]

wow

[LordTenacious]

Whether you agree with it or not, comparing this to the SS proves how fucking stupid you are.

[Xalan]

To serve is a good thing, It builds discipline.
The youth of today is way to spoiled, also if Hitler wasn't anti-semitic he would be a good leader.

Fascist much.

[Zuku]

ZOMG ZOMG *Tinfoil*

qft

[Xalan]

Whether you agree with it or not, comparing this to the SS proves how fucking stupid you are.

Not comparing it to the SS proves how ignorant you are.

[Desperado[1G]]

This is just like star wars, when the dark side (obama administration) orders a clone army to fight the trade federation. At first everyone is relieved to have an army to defend them, but darth sidious (obama) uses it to obtain absolute power.

In any case, I call Mace Windu. Except i dont use a pink saber I use a blue one (pink is gay)

[LordTenacious]

Also, where did it say anything about fingerprinting and all that shit in his official plan? Just asking.

I mean, obviously it's there, right? You wouldn't happen to just be another alarmist blowing smoke, right?

[Jo0wZ]

Fascist much.

I'm not facist, people nowdays are way fucked up, they have so many things and then we get these kind of people:
http://tinyurl.com/axg338


http://tinyurl.com/33flk7

;2336025']This is just like star wars, when the dark side (obama administration) orders a clone army to fight the trade federation. At first everyone is relieved to have an army to defend them, but darth sidious (obama) uses it to obtain absolute power.

In any case, I call Mace Windu. Except i dont use a pink saber I use a blue one (pink is gay)

It was purple idiot

[Xalan]

Also, where did it say anything about fingerprinting and all that shit in his official plan? Just asking.

I mean, obviously it's there, right? You wouldn't happen to just be another alarmist blowing smoke, right?


http://blog.heritage.org/2008/06/09/obama-among-supporters-of-national-fingerprint-registry/

[Desperado[1G]]

I'm not facist, people nowdays are way fucked up, they have so many things and then we get these kind of people:
http://tinyurl.com/axg338


http://tinyurl.com/33flk7



It was purple idiot

http://www.foroswebgratis.com/fotos/2/1/0/0/7/136041mace%20windu.jpg

that is fucking pink

[Xzi]

;2336095']http://www.foroswebgratis.com/fotos/2/1/0/0/7/136041mace%20windu.jpg

that is fucking pink
Colorblind? That's purple, with a slight pink undertone.

[1998altima]

Fascist much.

Fascism FUCK YEAH!
Do what I say because I'm your leader!
Fascism FUCK YEAH!
Hitler!
FUCK YEAH!
Dictatorship!
FUCK YEAH!
Mussolini!
FUCK YEAH!
Tearizerz!
FUCK YEAH!
Obama!
FUCK NO!

Ok let's suspend reality and claim everything you say is true Xalan. What are you going to do about it?

[DocGonzo]

Also, where did it say anything about fingerprinting and all that shit in his official plan? Just asking.

I mean, obviously it's there, right? You wouldn't happen to just be another alarmist blowing smoke, right?

will you have my cycberbabies?

we just got done with 8 years of neo-fascism, was announced today GITMO will be closed right after inauguration... a decent start in the correct direction

Barry ain't even in office yet, W and Dick are still spinning lies...and some fanboi dittoheads, who were the biggest cheerleaders and water carriers for W et al, suddenly are screaming the sky is falling?

not even mentioning Godwin or nothing...

[Zuku]

;2336095']http://www.foroswebgratis.com/fotos/2/1/0/0/7/136041mace%20windu.jpg

that is fucking pink

Purple, imo.

But I would fuck Pink:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut49BoP4vj4&feature=channel_page:rolleyes:

[jonyak]

Not comparing it to the SS proves how ignorant you are.

you do realise what fascism is right?

and you do know what socialism/communism/marxism is right??

if you did you would realise how much of an idiot you are.

[Xalan]

we just got done with 8 years of neo-fascism, was announced today GITMO will be closed right after inauguration... a decent start in the correct direction


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24900407-5013948,00.html

Obama does not plan to close Gitmo, not in the first 100 days anyway.

[1998altima]

Xalan let me guess, you believe Obama is gonna "take yer gunz" too? Amirite?

[LordTenacious]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24900407-5013948,00.html

Obama does not plan to close Gitmo, not in the first 100 days anyway.

I think the most important part of that link was that Obama drinks sweet tea.

A leader that drinks sweet tea is a leader I can get behind.

[Desperado[1G]]

Purple, imo.

But I would fuck Pink:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut49BoP4vj4&feature=channel_page:rolleyes:

It is closer to pink than it is to purple, therefore I declare his lightsaber to be pink.

If you girls want to get all technical on me, we can call it lavender (it's still a really gay colored saber though)

[Zuku]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24900407-5013948,00.html

Obama does not plan to close Gitmo, not in the first 100 days anyway.

From the article:


"I don't want to be ambiguous about this. We are going to close Guantanamo and we are going to make sure that the procedures we set up are ones that abide by our constitution," he said.

Part of the problem for the Obama team is the same as that which has confronted the Bush administration -- finding countries to take the 60 detainees no longer regarded as threat, but who face persecution if repatriated to their home countries. "

Just another mess that fascist Bush is leaving behind for Obama.

[Zuku]

;2336221']It is closer to pink than it is to purple, therefore I declare his lightsaber to be pink.

If you girls want to get all technical on me, we can call it lavender (it's still a really gay colored saber though)

Are you hitting on me?

[Desperado[1G]]

that depends, is it working?

[LordTenacious]

Just another mess that fascist Bush is leaving behind for Obama.

Well that person is the most fascist fascist that ever fascist lived because fascist I said fascist so. fascist facist fascist fascist fascist fascist fascist fascist

Could you guys at least do me a fucking favor and learn what a fascist is before throwing the word around? God damn.

[Kusghuul]

I'm not facist, people nowdays are way fucked up, they have so many things and then we get these kind of people:
http://tinyurl.com/axg338


http://tinyurl.com/33flk7


That's just weaklings to be stomped on by zee Wehrmacht.

[Desperado[1G]]

Well that person is the most fascist fascist that ever fascist lived because fascist I said fascist so. fascist facist fascist fascist fascist fascist fascist fascist

Could you guys at least do me a fucking favor and learn what a fascist is before throwing the word around? God damn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoqSDvMMzE8

that is a fascist

[Xalan]

Well that person is the most fascist fascist that ever fascist lived because fascist I said fascist so. fascist facist fascist fascist fascist fascist fascist fascist

Could you guys at least do me a fucking favor and learn what a fascist is before throwing the word around? God damn.

It's system of government marked by centralized of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship.

Happy?

Read up on the Obama administrations plans. Seems that we are heading that way.

[jonyak]

It's system of government marked by centralized of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship.

Happy?


way to wiki.

[Someone]

God fucking damnit! It was the SA that was the fucking brownshirts, not the SS. The SS were the guys in black uniforms that killed off the SA that couldn't be trusted. Learn your fucking history or look like an ignorant dumbfuck that shouldn't be listened to.

There now that we have taken care of the important stuff. Two things. First, I don't give a shit, boo fuckity hoo for you americans, fucking deal with it, either it turns out right or you become an authorithan bunch of shitheads and invade and we kill the shit out of you until you leave. Point two, again I don't give a flying pigshit, he wants oversight over the military, good for him, I guess he doesn't feel entirely secure with what seems like a deeply rebublican biased military and the republican hatred for him.

[Caban]

ah, the Heritage Foundation.

There is a source who has never made anything up.

Those guys invented the modern neocon... they are about as credible on Obama as PETA is on Taco Bell.

[Durindana]

I'll believe your stupid BS when I'm getting fingerprinted. Our state doesn't even have the resources to keep health inspections going, let alone be able to fingerprint everyone.

Not to mention that none of the links you posted verify anything you're saying. Attempting to use Rush Limbaugh as a source is just pathetic.

lolthis. The only link to actual source material has fuckall to do with your yapping. l2think

[Thorsin]

Yes, that's why US voted for him, they want change you nasty republican.

Everything you said is a good thing, hillbilly.

dude a good think...... im not republican or democrat but i can see when shit is about to go down the whole obama is a dumbass:he lacks xp, his "O" is thesame as hitler used for his symbol before he got his power, a public amry full funded is more expensive then what bush ever did:idea: , hes a socialist(that always works), 40% of his voters voted for him cause hes black 1/2 of that didnt know anything else about him besides "i think hes a nice smart guy"

also a private amry is a lil to expensive for us 52 nuke subs and 15 nuke powered aircraft carryers is all we need

ill kill him myself if shit goes bad :P

[Rourke]

Yes, that's why US voted for him, they want change you nasty republican.

Everything you said is a good thing, hillbilly.


HALF did yuppie. HALF. 51%.

[Rourke]

Check this out. Ahhh....CNN...lol. Love our media.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/12/grandson.of.slaves/index.html

[Paralda]

How the hell is Community Service ANY different than a homework assignment or a project? My school has required it for graduation for 20 years. Get the fuck over it.

[Desperado[1G]]

How the hell is Community Service ANY different than a homework assignment or a project? My school has required it for graduation for 20 years. Get the fuck over it.

Homework and projects deal with the academic they are assigned to.

Forcing kids to pick up trash along the side of the road (while not a terribly bad thing), does seem like it's crossing a line.

[Spineless_DoO]

Yes, that's why US voted for him, they want change you nasty republican.

Everything you said is a good thing, hillbilly.

LOL? Keep republicans out of it. Now if you want to throw stones at neocons thats fine. Problem is they are dems at heart.

The US voted for Obama because next to nobody gives a flying fuck anymore. The primary was the important vote. It was already to late after that phase. These days its all about the "in" thing. Obama is nothing more then a nifty pair of pants everyone feels they must purchace. His shiny layer is already wearing off as his voters find out more and more about him over time.

[Xalan]

How the hell is Community Service ANY different than a homework assignment or a project? My school has required it for graduation for 20 years. Get the fuck over it.

It's a lot different when schools do it.

When the government forces it's citizens into labor, well that's something compleatly different, and scarry.

[Vaalsha]

What a pile of crap, and as usual desparado is bathing in it with his neocon self serving bigoted ideals. Get an education.

O ya and Xalan nearly all HS require public service to graduate now anyway. It is nothing new.

[Desperado[1G]]

hahaha

[Spineless_DoO]

How the hell is Community Service ANY different than a homework assignment or a project? My school has required it for graduation for 20 years. Get the fuck over it.

Its slavery thats why. Its against the law. The federal gov does not have the privilage what so ever. Its against the constitution. We can go on... Oh above all things it has nothing to do with schooling. Whats next?

[Strangia]

Its slavery thats why. Its against the law. The federal gov does not have the privilage what so ever. Its against the constitution. We can go on... Oh above all things it has nothing to do with schooling. Whats next?

How is it slavery? And where in the constitution does it say that? I get the feeling you have never actually read the constitution.....

[Marrik]

;2336095']http://www.foroswebgratis.com/fotos/2/1/0/0/7/136041mace%20windu.jpg

that is fucking pink

no, its definitely purple

[Spineless_DoO]

What a pile of crap, and as usual desparado is bathing in it with his neocon self serving bigoted ideals. Get an education.

O ya and Xalan nearly all HS require public service to graduate now anyway. It is nothing new.

Not in NJ. Not in NY. Not in TX. Not in Maryland. What you are talking about is a VERY tiny portion of school systems in the USA. Above all things its done on a local level. It not done completely against the law and dictated to local government by the federal gov who has no right nor power to do so. If local/state gov has the support of the people they are free to try and debate it. However if this ever ended up in a higher court it would fail as its pretty basic stuff providing the justices have actualy read the constitution.

[LordTenacious]

Its slavery thats why.

Rofl you guys are so full of shit I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Hear that boys? Anything you don't want to do is now slavery.

I don't want to brush my teeth. If I do, I have been enslaved by Crest.

[Desperado[1G]]

no, its definitely purple

lavender

[Spineless_DoO]

How is it slavery? And where in the constitution does it say that? I get the feeling you have never actually read the constitution.....

Dictionary is your friend.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slave

You have alot of reading to do. This is a pretty good starting point we give to the little kids. It misses most of the principle and just states some of the stuff that every single american knows already.


http://www.usconstitution.net/constkids4.html

[Strangia]

Not in NJ. Not in NY. Not in TX. Not in Maryland. What you are talking about is a VERY tiny portion of school systems in the USA. Above all things its done on a local level. It not done completely against the law and dictated to local government by the federal gov who has no right nor power to do so. If local/state gov has the support of the people they are free to try and debate it. However if this ever ended up in a higher court it would fail as its pretty basic stuff providing the justices have actualy read the constitution.

Oh? really? So by your argument, the draft can NEVER happen, right? Because the federal government can't make people do things against their will, right?

I don't like my driver's license, so I'm not going to use it, because it's slavery for them to make me use it. And I bet if the government read the constitution, they would see it my way.

[Spineless_DoO]

Rofl you guys are so full of shit I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Hear that boys? Anything you don't want to do is now slavery.

I don't want to brush my teeth. If I do, I have been enslaved by Crest.

By the very defonition of the word it is slavery and is outside of the powers of the federal gov to impose on anyone under those circumstances. Your not one of those people who thinks they can rewrite the dictionary because it they dont like what it says are you? I dont right the law. I just follow it.

[Haeso]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecDxMQcsLg
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_010609/content/01125113.guest.html
http://change.gov/americaserves/
http://www.bizzyblog.com/ChangeDotGovService110808.html

Welcome to the new Obama administration. Welcome to Obamas new Amercia.
The man himself is starting his own private army. Your children and yes even you (18-25)will be finger printed, DNA sampled and psychologically profiled.
What will you get for this, well you will get a shiny new view of what America should be, and a brand new national ID card.

Those of you with your hokey views of having freedom and civil liberties beware.

Your petty constitution and you amendments mean nothing to the great Obama.

/sarcasm off

The civil service pre Obama is not the civil service that is being suggested by Obama. Never before has this country faced the impending change of what civil service means. Never before in this country have civillians been told they MUST serve 50 hours while in middle school or high school and 3 months while in college and an untold amount of hours if you are a retiree. You need to go read Obama's website and get a grip on what is happening here. http://www.change.gov/americaserves/

If you are a teenager and you don't serve you won't get your diploma. If you are a college student and you don't serve you won't get your loans and or the ability to register. If you are a retiree and you don't serve you won't get social security or medicare.

America is now entering complete and total Socialism/Communism/Marxism

What punishment lies for those who refuse.

I wonder when those who oppose Obama will start vanishing.

Change... sweet, sweet change.

All I saw in the last link was 4k/100 hours, sweet.

[Dwhap]

Not comparing it to the SS proves how ignorant you are.

Don't you have something better to do with your life then to walk around worrying that the world is going to end? You need to lay off the wacky weed and come back down to reality..

Paranoia is treatable if caught early...

[Jo0wZ]

HALF did yuppie. HALF. 51%.

Rednecks and fat Christian women don't count.

[Spineless_DoO]

Oh? really? So by your argument, the draft can NEVER happen, right? Because the federal government can't make people do things against their will, right?

I don't like my driver's license, so I'm not going to use it, because it's slavery for them to make me use it. And I bet if the government read the constitution, they would see it my way.

You are welcome to learn the difference between the privilages of the federal gov and the state on you own time. I dont get paid to teach. I would be happy to PM you my paypal information. For about 50$ an hour I would gladly take the time to teach you what was in your 2nd grade history book.

[Vaalsha]

Actually its required in nearly all the good private schools in new york. It is required as part of the curriculum.

[Sharuk]

will you have my cycberbabies?

we just got done with 8 years of neo-fascism, was announced today GITMO will be closed right after inauguration... a decent start in the correct direction

Barry ain't even in office yet, W and Dick are still spinning lies...and some fanboi dittoheads, who were the biggest cheerleaders and water carriers for W et al, suddenly are screaming the sky is falling?

not even mentioning Godwin or nothing...

Liberal Fanboy much

You have got to stop watching CNN, it corrupts the mind

any why the US voted for Obama

First all those 18 year old were like omg he's balck zomg zomg a black guy lets vote for him!!11!

All the lazy people know he will take care of him(or you know screw people like me and give money to them)

Most people dont know the issues and are idiots and like to say BUSH IS BAD! when somthing is going wrong( Like Katrina,Mayors,States and idiots who stayed in New Orleans fault)

Socialism is the flavor of the decade

Youth are being told lies(Global Warming) and sucked into a liberal way of thinking, you know save the frogs or flies or somthing gay and pointless, or tell them polar bears are endangered just for profit and they need saving(Last Year was the coldest winter on record in countless places and Al Gore is making loads of money of retards buying Carbon Offsets)

Extreme Liberalism it sounds great but it will never work, Socialism will only work ina perfect world, this world is not perfect

[Mr. Bloke]

I think you are missunderestimating him

also i haven't seen people throwing shoes at him yet or seen him commit crimes against humanity but of course the years is young

[tsalin]

the service must flow

he who controls the service controls the universe

[Caban]

wheeeeeeeeeeeee

[Mr. Bloke]

HAHAHAHA the black guy won!!!! EAT IT BITCHES *dances*

[Strangia]

You are welcome to learn the difference between the privilages of the federal gov and the state on you own time. I dont get paid to teach. I would be happy to PM you my paypal information. For about 50$ an hour I would gladly take the time to teach you what was in your 2nd grade history book.

o rly? So, the Military Selective Services act is completely unconstitutional. Alright, you can go on believing both that compulsory community service is slavery, and that the constitution was ever strictly followed past Thomas Jefferson. We will be here in the real world.

[Sharuk]

Almost everything is unconstituntional

If its not granted in the constitution, the Gov cant do it

But they do

Income Tax For example

[Seriousbisnis]

I like threads about stuff thats not going to happen.

[Xalan]

o rly? So, the Military Selective Services act is completely unconstitutional. Alright, you can go on believing both that compulsory community service is slavery, and that the constitution was ever strictly followed past Thomas Jefferson. We will be here in the real world.

Well the 13th amendment states:

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

the key words being "involuntary servitude". Rulings on this have stated that involuntary servitude relates to slavery and only slavery, but then would it be constitutional to force someone to work for me for 20 cents a day?

The 14th amendment goes on to state:

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

So yes?

[Strangia]

Almost everything is unconstituntional

If its not granted in the constitution, the Gov cant do it

But they do

Income Tax For example

Depends on who you ask there. Technically, the government can do whatever it wants under the "Necessary and Proper Clause". And even then, it depends on how you interpret it. That was one of the biggest debates in the early american gov, whether the constitution was just a set of "suggestions" or whether it was a strict set of rules.

[Sharuk]

Depends on who you ask there. Technically, the government can do whatever it wants under the "Necessary and Proper Clause". And even then, it depends on how you interpret it. That was one of the biggest debates in the early american gov, whether the constitution was just a set of "suggestions" or whether it was a strict set of rules.

Depends on who side the Supreme court is on, which sucks

Really imo things like Income tax Should only be able to be levied by the States, as that is their right, anything not given to the Fed is given to the states, but sadly your right, they can do anything they want, they just have to sweet talk/Bribe/etc etc


Goverment has too much power atm

[Seriousbisnis]

Everytime a new guy comes into office, people say these kind of things everywhere. And in almost every case, we turned out to be just fine.


99.9% of the bad things said about the pres is usually 100% pure BS.

[Agrathan]

God fucking damnit! It was the SA that was the fucking brownshirts, not the SS. The SS were the guys in black uniforms that killed off the SA that couldn't be trusted. Learn your fucking history or look like an ignorant dumbfuck that shouldn't be listened to.

There now that we have taken care of the important stuff. Two things. First, I don't give a shit, boo fuckity hoo for you americans, fucking deal with it, either it turns out right or you become an authorithan bunch of shitheads and invade and we kill the shit out of you until you leave. Point two, again I don't give a flying pigshit, he wants oversight over the military, good for him, I guess he doesn't feel entirely secure with what seems like a deeply rebublican biased military and the republican hatred for him.

loose your medication?

[Xalan]

Everytime a new guy comes into office, people say these kind of things everywhere. And in almost every case, we turned out to be just fine.


99.9% of the bad things said about the pres is usually 100% pure BS.

Yup, because Bush turned out just fine.

[monsterman4k]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecDxMQcsLg
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_010609/content/01125113.guest.html
http://change.gov/americaserves/
http://www.bizzyblog.com/ChangeDotGovService110808.html

Welcome to the new Obama administration. Welcome to Obamas new Amercia.
The man himself is starting his own private army. Your children and yes even you (18-25)will be finger printed, DNA sampled and psychologically profiled.
What will you get for this, well you will get a shiny new view of what America should be, and a brand new national ID card.

Don't forget the RFID chips which people are now implanting in their children and themselves because of rampant "terrorism". It's only a matter of time before the citizens of the U.S become their government's unconscious slaves. :D The best part about the stranglehold of human kind that the governments of the world are obtaining on their citizens is that it isn't being forced, the citizens are either demanding it or letting it pass by without a second thought.

"Please Mr. President, do whatever you have to do to protect me from the violence stricken world that I view through my télé. All I want is to be left alone, just let me have my three bedroom suburban home, my steel-belted radials, and my home entertainment centre and you can impose any absurd, basic-right abolishing law you want."

[PrimalSign]

Liberal Fanboy much

You have got to stop watching CNN, it corrupts the mind

Picking a fight with the Doc?

You are so fucked.

[Seriousbisnis]

Yup, because Bush turned out just fine.

Hes just another bad president. America has had bad presidents before, you know? We've been in stupid ass wars before, you know? Our economy has sucked royal cock before, you know?

[Sharuk]

We just need a Pres who cares about the country then power


:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

Wow like thats ever going to happen,in these days anyway, i mean Bush made mistakes butsome people took it too far imo, you know calling him the devil, uh not being proud of their country just because their party didnt win

I will always be proud to live in america, even though Obama won

Unlike the scores of peopel i saw in the AZ Daily Star saying how since Obama won they are finally proud to be an american and will put their american flag back up in their yard...wtf??

really if you think that way you dont deserve what you've been given in America, That way of thinking disgusts me, We have our problems, we have all kinds of problems, but the core values of the USA are still there, we cannot allow our morals and values to be corrupted and turn into any other EU country(no offense)

Yall understand what im trying to say here, you should always be proud of the USA, be proud of all the good things we have done, dont let the media tell you were are the worst country in the world Being proud of America and being proud of its leader's are two completly diffrent things

And besides we are what we make the US, we are the leader's we have the power, if people just got off their coach and stood up for what they beleive in and cared

The US is in a hole atm, but Obama, Mccain, Clinton Bush, they cant do anything to help us, only we can

[Seriousbisnis]

We just need a Pres who cares about the country then power


:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

Wow liek thats ever going to happen

Ron Paul imo.

[monsterman4k]

Yes, that's why US voted for him, they want change you nasty republican.

Everything you said is a good thing, hillbilly.

Here's exactly what I'm talking about. Ridicule from a fellow citizen for protesting against the government's encroachment on our lives.

[PrimalSign]

Ron Paul imo.

I wish.

Ain't gonna happen, sadly.

[Seriousbisnis]

I wish.

Ain't gonna happen, sadly.

Yeah, not alot of people with common sense in the USA anymore.

[Sharuk]

Ron Paul imo.

He wasnt bad at all, i liked Mitt better,But ya Ron would of been a 200X better Pres then Mccain OR Obama

[Vanno]

While I won't be hasty in calling this slavery, the uncompensated labor that our government constantly benefits from really needs to be reigned in. There are plenty of bright eyed young college grads being absolutely exploited by our government. Meanwhile, the government is the first to criticize unfair labor practices; well, I'd be hard pressed to find any practice more unfair than uncompensated labor. Mandating it, which seems like the ultimate destination, is not something I will support, and hopefully there are a few sane (though this forum seems sorely lacking) individuals that will see through this ruse and stand against it too.

the service must flow

he who controls the service controls the universe

Yep

[FireBladeXL]

We haven't had a great president for the past forty years. They're all tools, get over it, it's how it works in every government when a country is rich enough to get the interest of the real world leaders. Suck it up, if war truly comes to our homeland and our rights do get infringed on, do something, protest and be heard. Don't sit on your ass bitching to a forum community if this is foul to you. I do agree with it all, the sole fact that everyone seems to love this guy really scares me. If they come try to take my guns then they better take cover, I won't give over my freedom and rights that easy. For you people that think it's a good idea, lets think about if we did want to start a revolution, how it'd work out with no firearms. Don't sit there and say, "Uh, well, it's been done before" because they didn't have tanks the last time there was a revolution. Taking our guns away is like taking any last chance we truly have to disagree with our country.

[Kietharr]

Forced community service isn't really community service, it's a sentence. The whole point of volunteering and community service is that you're not doing it for any sort of self benefit, other than bragging rights. Give 4,000 dollar tax credits for it and you're essentially making it a second job. Make it a requirement for a high/middle school diploma and it's essentially forced labor.

Seriously, I think we are talking about a 13th amendment violation here. Middle school students can not drop out, but they can't graduate unless they do community service. This isn't even taking into account what a fucking headache this will be for the already over worked and under paid teachers.

What is it with Obama and tax credits anyways? Is it just his way of saying "I'll only rape the taxes of people who don't want to live the lifestyle I want them to live"?

[Sharuk]

We haven't had a great president for the past forty years. They're all tools, get over it, it's how it works in every government when a country is rich enough to get the interest of the real world leaders. Suck it up, if war truly comes to our homeland and our rights do get infringed on, do something, protest and be heard. Don't sit on your ass bitching to a forum community if this is foul to you. I do agree with it all, the sole fact that everyone seems to love this guy really scares me. If they come try to take my guns then they better take cover, I won't give over my freedom and rights that easy. For you people that think it's a good idea, lets think about if we did want to start a revolution, how it'd work out with no firearms. Don't sit there and say, "Uh, well, it's been done before" because they didn't have tanks the last time there was a revolution. Taking our guns away is like taking any last chance we truly have to disagree with our country.


And you are Right, ive always said, when they come for my guns, or any of my rights, its time for a revolution, i wont give those up without a fight

Hopefully if times like those come, people will finally wake up and see that things have to change

But if we head down this path for too long(socialism) people wil lget sick and I foresee a Civil war, call me crazy but it could turn voilent easily

[1998altima]

Ghandi won without guns.

[crispyfried]

Rednecks and fat Christian women don't count.

yes they do.....they just have to take their shoes off if counting above 10

[Seriousbisnis]

Ghandi won without guns.


I don't think this country is capable of that.'

[Apex Vertigo]

Oh my god guiz!!!@!@!@ Is non-even-president-yet Obama already corrupted by Satan w/ world domination in his sightz?!@!?@!@ What have we done!?!!!?!?!?!?!

Oh wait, you are a retard, nevermind.

[JevilOne]

Don't forget the RFID chips which people are now implanting in their children and themselves because of rampant "terrorism". It's only a matter of time before the citizens of the U.S become their government's unconscious slaves. :D The best part about the stranglehold of human kind that the governments of the world are obtaining on their citizens is that it isn't being forced, the citizens are either demanding it or letting it pass by without a second thought.

"Please Mr. President, do whatever you have to do to protect me from the violence stricken world that I view through my télé. All I want is to be left alone, just let me have my three bedroom suburban home, my steel-belted radials, and my home entertainment centre and you can impose any absurd, basic-right abolishing law you want."

Hmmm and where on the body would these RFID chips be implanted into people?

[monsterman4k]

While I won't be hasty in calling this slavery, the uncompensated labor that our government constantly benefits from really needs to be reigned in. There are plenty of bright eyed young college grads being absolutely exploited by our government. Meanwhile, the government is the first to criticize unfair labor practices; well, I'd be hard pressed to find any practice more unfair than uncompensated labor. Mandating it, which seems like the ultimate destination, is not something I will support, and hopefully there are a few sane (though this forum seems sorely lacking) individuals that will see through this ruse and stand against it too.



Yep

Well, you literally are the government's slave three months out of the year (unless you don't pay income tax). The best part is, the 25% slavery imposed on you is:
1. Completely Unnecessary considering the majority of the tax goes directly to pay the interest on our money(yes the Fed Reserve LOANS the money it prints to the government with interest immediately attached)

2. the 16th amendment was never properly ratified

3. the 16th amendment directly violates the constitution

4. there is no law besides the 16th amendment that requires you to pay income tax.

[monsterman4k]

Hmmm and where on the body would these RFID chips be implanted into people?

They are currently in all new U.S passports. But the ones people are getting for their children are injected underneath the skin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RFID_hand_2.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RFID_hand_1.jpg

[Dhig]

Hmmm and where on the body would these RFID chips be implanted into people?

The butt :)

I find this scare tactic thing funny.
It seems like an old American thing to scare people instead of enlighten them.

[JevilOne]

They are currently in all new U.S passports. But the ones people are getting for their children are injected underneath the skin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RFID_hand_2.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RFID_hand_1.jpg


In the hand eh? Hmmm seems I have heard of this somewhere else. So would this RFID chip also be used to buy things?

[monsterman4k]

Oh my god guiz!!!@!@!@ Is non-even-president-yet Obama already corrupted by Satan w/ world domination in his sightz?!@!?@!@ What have we done!?!!!?!?!?!?!

Oh wait, you are a retard, nevermind.

Yes, it is obvious that I am the retard, considering I don't use a symbol every other letter. And it doesn't matter who's elected, because in reality the president isn't the Commander in Chief of the country, the men that financed his campaign are.

[Everto]

guys! this can never happen because the government never lies! they're always right!

[monsterman4k]

In the hand eh? Hmmm seems I have heard of this somewhere else. So would this RFID chip also be used to buy things?

Honestly, I have no idea. Their main use is to track the location of the implantee, passport holder, etc. :p They are in credit cards, so perhaps they would, in the future, be used for financial transactions.

[Needles]

I don't understand where it says they will force you to volunteer in this: http://change.gov/americaserves/

To me it sounds like they will encourage volunteering (AKA helping people and doing something worthwhile for someone less fortunate) but not force you. Unless you interpret "call on Americans" meaning "I'm forcing Americans to volunteer"

OH YEA LET ME QUOTE THE FIRST 5 WORDS "When you choose to serve"

[dwightl]

If you want to know what's going on Xalan get your head out of Rush Limbaugh's ass!

[Vanno]

Well, you literally are the government's slave three months out of the year (unless you don't pay income tax). The best part is, the 25% slavery imposed on you is:
1. Completely Unnecessary considering the majority of the tax goes directly to pay the interest on our money(yes the Fed Reserve LOANS the money it prints to the government with interest immediately attached)

2. the 16th amendment was never properly ratified

3. the 16th amendment directly violates the constitution

4. there is no law besides the 16th amendment that requires you to pay income tax.

You are preaching to the choir, income tax is entirely unnecessary, especially since pretty much all governments have the sole power of minting currency. The government balance sheet, essentially, operates in a completely different reality than the rest of us. It is beyond me why it is necessitous to make more scarce to us what the government theoretically possess in an infinite amount.

[monsterman4k]

Oh my god guiz!!!@!@!@ Is non-even-president-yet Obama already corrupted by Satan w/ world domination in his sightz?!@!?@!@ What have we done!?!!!?!?!?!?!

Oh wait, you are a retard, nevermind.

Judging by your position on world domination I guess you haven't heard of the NAU?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union

[JevilOne]

Honestly, I have no idea. Their main use is to track the location of the implantee, passport holder, etc. :p They are in credit cards, so perhaps they would, in the future, be used for financial transactions.

So a chip implanted into the hand that might be used to buy or sell. I swear it seems I have heard of this somewhere before. Like I have heard it all my life.

[chodie4u]

So you go read a book to some kids for an hour 2 times a week and you get $4000 for college. It's not mandatory, chill out. The Obama-Biden administration's volunteer initiatives are still taking shape

[Needles]

Oh and don't they already make you do something like 200 hours of community service before you can graduate high school? They are very lenient on what counts as community service, but as I recall it was a requirement before I could graduate. Although I'm pretty sure everyone finished it by the time they hit high school anyway just because of field trips (going to state parks and doing environmental stuff etc. counts). So, god forbid he requires 50 hours...

"They will develop national guidelines for service- learning and will give schools better tools both to develop programs and to document student experience."

This just reinforces it, the stuff you will be required to do will most likely go straight through your school and take the form of a "volunteer day" or something where most of the kids in school go out and plant trees or clean something up etc.

[monsterman4k]

You are preaching to the choir, income tax is entirely unnecessary, especially since pretty much all governments have the sole power of minting currency. The government balance sheet, essentially, operates in a completely different reality than the rest of us. It is beyond me why it is necessitous to make more scarce to us what the government theoretically possess in an infinite amount.

Because abundance is the enemy of bankers, and in the end, bankers are the rulers of this, and most if not all countries with a central bank.

[Sharuk]

"So you go read a book to some kids for an hour 2 times a week and you get $4000 for college. It's not mandatory, chill out.
Quote:
The Obama-Biden administration's volunteer initiatives are still taking shape"



Why would the Gov giving out money if you read to a kid for two hours, that is pretty stupid

They dont even have any money, we are trillons in debt, a waste of money imo, if you are gonna read too kids you should do it not for the reward but because your a nice person like that

[Xalan]

Its not about doing community service.

Its about being forced to do it by your government.

[monsterman4k]

So a chip implanted into the hand that might be used to buy or sell. I swear it seems I have heard of this somewhere before. Like I have heard it all my life.

There's probably one implanted in your ear that whispers "Obey the Government" to you every eight minutes.

[Sharuk]

There's probably one implanted in your ear that whispers "Obey the Government" to you every eight minutes.

That reminds me of the Book "1984"

[Vanno]

Because abundance is the enemy of bankers, and in the end, bankers are the rulers of this, and most if not all countries with a central bank.

Abundance is the enemy of the entire Economic orthodoxy, unfortunately.

[chodie4u]

"So you go read a book to some kids for an hour 2 times a week and you get $4000 for college. It's not mandatory, chill out.
Quote:
The Obama-Biden administration's volunteer initiatives are still taking shape"



Why would the Gov giving out money if you read to a kid for two hours, that is pretty stupid

They dont even have any money, we are trillons in debt, a waste of money imo, if you are gonna read too kids you should do it not for the reward but because your a nice person like that

You of all people should love the fact they are encouraging people to read books to youngsters. It obviously would have helped you had this program been in effect when you were learning grammar and syntax.

[Sharuk]

You of all people should love the fact they are encouraging people to read books to youngsters. It obviously would have helped you had this program been in effect when you were learning grammar and syntax.

Sure reading to young kids is great!

But reading for money?

Thats not great, we should want to do it without the money, you see what im saying here?

It takes the good right out of it, you should do a good deed just to do somthing good, not for money

Oh and Great job at personal attacks

[1998altima]

Sure reading to young kids is great!

But reading for money?

Thats not great, we should want to do it without the money, you see what im saying here?

It takes the good right out of it, you should do a good deed just to do somthing good, not for money

Oh and Great job at personal attacks

Humans are greedy you can't change that.

[monsterman4k]

Humans are greedy you can't change that.

In my opinion, humans are only greedy because scarcity is forced upon them. Provide abundance and you would probably surprised at how caring they would be.

[Sharuk]

Humans are greedy you can't change that.

Some are but not all

[JevilOne]

Oh I remember where I heard about this RFID before. It was in a really old book written a long time ago. Just can't think of the name of it right now.

[Xalan]

Oh I remember where I heard about this RFID before. It was in a really old book written a long time ago. Just can't think of the name of it right now.

Yea, I get what you are getting at.

[Darstar]

History tends to repeat itself. Go back to the american 20's, 30's and you see how close american nationlisim nearly took the country down hitler's path. It may just be usa's time to complete the next cycle.

[hardboiled]

So your leader forcing you to serve, even limited, in his own private little army, is a good thing?

I wonder how many Germans said that before WW2

Conscription happens all over the world. Though admittedly it is the most evil thing the ever so evil government can do. No acceptable justification for it.

[Yonkec]

Sorry but I would rather be drafted than sold into slavery by some fucktard buracrat. Atleast that is for something that benefits me and those I care about in a small way.

I guess its prison for me if they implement it.

[Pcheez]

You speak as if there was something wrong with the SS.

Fuck you.

[PirateGlen]

Almost everything is unconstituntional

If its not granted in the constitution, the Gov cant do it

But they do

Income Tax For example

16th amendment was specifically made for the income tax. :confused:

[Sirmolle]

I'm not facist, people nowdays are way fucked up, they have so many things and then we get these kind of people:
http://tinyurl.com/axg338

"Fascism is an authoritarian nationalist ideology focused on solving economic, political, and social problems that its supporters see as causing national decline or decadence."

Way to prove you're a fascist.

[Wonderboy2402]

Well considering how many first year college students go apeshit and squander their 14,000 dollars of their parent money... to party. I think 3 months of civil service / guard duty is appropriate for discipline.

And practically all i read in those links is voluntary, what is the problem?
And there is a ton of programs like peacecorp and classroom stuff that he is putting froward.

Tin Foil hat indeed.

[Steeler]

whether you agree with it or not, comparing this to the ss proves how fucking stupid you are.

+678,907,350,000

[spade547]

Im affraid the original poster is right. George Bush went 180 degrees from his base. And that set up the out with the republicans in with the democrats. Obama is a product of this game, look outside of the left right paradime. The two parties are ment to prop eachother up.

In the near future, you are going to see things radically start changing....for the worse. If you want to know whats really going on; the big picture, I think the best place to find it is at www.infowars.com . But beware, the truth is scarier than fiction.

-spade

[LordTenacious]

infowars rofl.

Do you know how insane Alex Jones is? I don't claim to have that answer because he's a kind of crazy only matched by the likes of Michael Savage.

[Darstar]

infowars rofl.

Do you know how insane Alex Jones is? I don't claim to have that answer because he's a kind of crazy only matched by the likes of Michael Savage.

Michael Savage is ahead of his time in most regards. History tends to repeat itself.

[LordTenacious]

Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned Michael Savage since you fuck ups probably view him as a god.

Screw it.

[spade547]

infowars rofl.

Do you know how insane Alex Jones is? I don't claim to have that answer because he's a kind of crazy only matched by the likes of Michael Savage.


I dare you to challenge the information he presents.

[Apex Vertigo]

Yes, it is obvious that I am the retard, considering I don't use a symbol every other letter. And it doesn't matter who's elected, because in reality the president isn't the Commander in Chief of the country, the men that financed his campaign are.

I don't see a reason to give your outlandish post any respectful response when it is merely another "we are all doomed" post. He is not even in office yet and you are already saying he's planning an American SS sponsored fascist regime.

Seriously, just give up on the tinfoil BS, it was kind of funny at first but now it's just getting embarrassing.

EDIT: And yes, I've heard of the NAU and I think it's laughable that you are getting your panties in a twist about it. I would bet you are a believer in the "Amero" youtube vids too, huh?

[LordTenacious]

I dare you to challenge the information he presents.

I don't even feel the need to try to dispute these "facts" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrWQR9lCu50). "You couldn't make this stuff up". Indeed, mate, indeed.

I could keep on going and going and going and going, including line by line debunkings of all the shitty films associated with him but fuck it. I'm not going to convince you and you aren't going to convince me.

[spade547]

I don't even feel the need to try to dispute these "facts" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrWQR9lCu50). "You couldn't make this stuff up". Indeed, mate, indeed.

I could keep on going and going and going and going, including line by line debunkings of all the shitty films associated with him but fuck it. I'm not going to convince you and you aren't going to convince me.

and that is the difference between stupidity, and ignorance.

[Pcheez]

I, for one, welcome our new SS overlords.

I dont see why all the gloom and doom, you should only fear this if you are on the bad side of the law or too lazy to serve your country which has given you much (as opposed to mine which hasnt given me shit).

[Ziegler]

Actually its required in nearly all the good private schools in new york. It is required as part of the curriculum.

Private schools....that's...um....not public/government.
Just like the Boy Scouts requiring community service.
Ghandi won without guns.

'Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.

[Weeking]

It's going to lead to a lot od drop-outs and people studying or moving abroad. Way to fix the economy! Gobama!

[holychicken]

It is incredible. This exact debate has come up at least 4 times on this forum. Every single time, it is some tard who posts links but, at best, apparently didn't even read them or, at worst, has terrible reading comprehension problems.

[Ion_StormH]

Eh, yes. Well, and ID card obviously can't do much harm because they'll have that info anyways.

But fingerprints and DNA is over the top ...

[Pcheez]

Eh, yes. Well, and ID card obviously can't do much harm because they'll have that info anyways.

But fingerprints and DNA is over the top ...

Why is fingerprints and DNA over the top ?

Afraid of something ?

[-Everest-]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecDxMQcsLg
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_010609/content/01125113.guest.html
http://change.gov/americaserves/
http://www.bizzyblog.com/ChangeDotGovService110808.html

Welcome to the new Obama administration. Welcome to Obamas new Amercia.
The man himself is starting his own private army. Your children and yes even you (18-25)will be finger printed, DNA sampled and psychologically profiled.
What will you get for this, well you will get a shiny new view of what America should be, and a brand new national ID card.

Those of you with your hokey views of having freedom and civil liberties beware.

Your petty constitution and you amendments mean nothing to the great Obama.

/sarcasm off

The civil service pre Obama is not the civil service that is being suggested by Obama. Never before has this country faced the impending change of what civil service means. Never before in this country have civillians been told they MUST serve 50 hours while in middle school or high school and 3 months while in college and an untold amount of hours if you are a retiree. You need to go read Obama's website and get a grip on what is happening here. http://www.change.gov/americaserves/

If you are a teenager and you don't serve you won't get your diploma. If you are a college student and you don't serve you won't get your loans and or the ability to register. If you are a retiree and you don't serve you won't get social security or medicare.

America is now entering complete and total Socialism/Communism/Marxism

What punishment lies for those who refuse.

I wonder when those who oppose Obama will start vanishing.

Change... sweet, sweet change.

fat, ugly, obvious troll is obvious

[holychicken]

Why is fingerprints and DNA over the top ?

Afraid of something ?
Yes. And it is call the government.

[Skraylok]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecDxMQcsLg
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_010609/content/01125113.guest.html
http://change.gov/americaserves/
http://www.bizzyblog.com/ChangeDotGovService110808.html

Welcome to the new Obama administration. Welcome to Obamas new Amercia.
The man himself is starting his own private army. Your children and yes even you (18-25)will be finger printed, DNA sampled and psychologically profiled.
What will you get for this, well you will get a shiny new view of what America should be, and a brand new national ID card.

Those of you with your hokey views of having freedom and civil liberties beware.

Your petty constitution and you amendments mean nothing to the great Obama.

/sarcasm off

The civil service pre Obama is not the civil service that is being suggested by Obama. Never before has this country faced the impending change of what civil service means. Never before in this country have civillians been told they MUST serve 50 hours while in middle school or high school and 3 months while in college and an untold amount of hours if you are a retiree. You need to go read Obama's website and get a grip on what is happening here. http://www.change.gov/americaserves/

If you are a teenager and you don't serve you won't get your diploma. If you are a college student and you don't serve you won't get your loans and or the ability to register. If you are a retiree and you don't serve you won't get social security or medicare.

America is now entering complete and total Socialism/Communism/Marxism

What punishment lies for those who refuse.

I wonder when those who oppose Obama will start vanishing.

Change... sweet, sweet change.

lewl. Anybody who takes Rush Limbaugh as a credible source needs to l2 think... None of those socialist movements will get passed by the checks and Balance system... Just because he proposes them, doesnt mean they will be enacted.

The president is powerless to do anything except veto bills. The country is run by Congress and the Senate... not the president.

[Ion_StormH]

Why is fingerprints and DNA over the top ?

Afraid of something ?

Yep, that the government won't keep it for themselves but sell it/misuse it/somehow mix it up and I'm the idiot having to proof my identity in the end.

No joke, this shit is in the news here in Europe all the time, in the UK, Germany and in other nations.

It's not that I so much fear some totalitarian regime, I just don't think they are able to keep my personal information just that - personal. :lmao:

lewl. Anybody who takes Rush Limbaugh as a credible source needs to l2 think... None of those socialist movements will get passed by the checks and Balance system... Just because he proposes them, doesnt mean they will be enacted.

The president is powerless to do anything except veto bills. The country is run by Congress and the Senate... not the president.

The US president is God on Earth. The US executive has got so much powers that of all western nations, only the French President can even think of competing with him.

IIRC, there was some way the US president is able to simply write any interpretation of a law after it has been passed. And by that I mean any, i.e. writing somethin completely unrelated under a seemingly harmless bill, but which becomes law by passing said bill too.

In addition to that, the US defence minister doesn't control the military, but the President does. Again, more (even checked) power in one man's hands.

[Ziegler]

IIRC, there was some way the US president is able to simply write any interpretation of a law after it has been passed. And by that I mean any, i.e. writing somethin completely unrelated under a seemingly harmless bill, but which becomes law by passing said bill too.

In addition to that, the US defence minister doesn't control the military, but the President does. Again, more (even checked) power in one man's hands.

The first one...is done by senators and representatives. The president has to ask one of them to add the amendment to the bill. He cant put the amendment to bill himself or even edit it (line item veto ruled unconstitutional)


And he cant declare war with that military. The Congress has to declare war...he just gets to wage it.

[Weeking]

And he cant declare war with that military. The Congress has to declare war...he just gets to wage it.

That's easily circumvented by waging undeclared wars like "war" on terrorism, "war" on drugs, peace keeping missions, sanctions or staying in war technically for a long time after hostilities have ended like USA is with North Korea still.

[Jezrith]

Yes, that's why US voted for him, they want change you nasty republican.

Everything you said is a good thing, hillbilly.

/facepalm

[Gunther TheBlack]

Not comparing it to the SS proves how ignorant you are.

You don't have a clue at all it seems.


Pathetic.

[Ziegler]

That's easily circumvented by waging undeclared wars like "war" on terrorism, "war" on drugs, peace keeping missions, sanctions or staying in war technically for a long time after hostilities have ended like USA is with North Korea still.

Not aware of any US troops stationed in North Korea. Got a base or two in South Korea, and with their permission. Those countries can tell us to leave at any time you know. It's not like we are forcing our presence there.

I am around 40 and am hard pressed to recall any armed conflict with North korea in my life time. Got a link for these ongoing hostilities.

Grew up in the War on Drugs hey day of the 80's....Nancy's DARE program and only Users lose drugs....Dont recall the military being in on that one...unless of course you mean that whole columbian drug cartel thing. Yeah...totaly bad thing there :rolleyes:

The president only wishes he had half the power you think he does.

[Harsher]

dude a good think...... im not republican or democrat but i can see when shit is about to go down the whole obama is a dumbass:he lacks xp, his "O" is thesame as hitler used for his symbol before he got his power, a public amry full funded is more expensive then what bush ever did:idea: , hes a socialist(that always works), 40% of his voters voted for him cause hes black 1/2 of that didnt know anything else about him besides "i think hes a nice smart guy"

also a private amry is a lil to expensive for us 52 nuke subs and 15 nuke powered aircraft carryers is all we need

ill kill him myself if shit goes bad :P

nice statistics...you make those up all by yourself?

[Sabbathius]

It would be ironic if a president who never did time in the military were to institute such a program. When it comes to pass, just remember that Canada and Mexico are there for you, just make sure to leave before the borders are blockaded.

[Sabbathius]

Not aware of any US troops stationed in North Korea. Got a base or two in South Korea, and with their permission. Those countries can tell us to leave at any time you know. It's not like we are forcing our presence there.

Not exactly accurate. Refusing a base or ordering a base scrapped will most likely result in economic sanctions from US itself and any other countries it can pressure into it.

[jonyak]

Not aware of any US troops stationed in North Korea. Got a base or two in South Korea, and with their permission. Those countries can tell us to leave at any time you know. It's not like we are forcing our presence there.

I am around 40 and am hard pressed to recall any armed conflict with North korea in my life time. Got a link for these ongoing hostilities.

Grew up in the War on Drugs hey day of the 80's....Nancy's DARE program and only Users lose drugs....Dont recall the military being in on that one...unless of course you mean that whole columbian drug cartel thing. Yeah...totaly bad thing there :rolleyes:

The president only wishes he had half the power you think he does.

Was the US not involved in the korean war?

ok it ended in 53' so you weren't born yet.

[Osirus]

You are preaching to the choir, income tax is entirely unnecessary, especially since pretty much all governments have the sole power of minting currency. The government balance sheet, essentially, operates in a completely different reality than the rest of us. It is beyond me why it is necessitous to make more scarce to us what the government theoretically possess in an infinite amount.


wiki says that the 16th was ratified in 1913, guess when the federal reserve(a private entity) act was signed? 1913.

who really controls the moneys?

[Ziegler]

Was the US not involved in the korean war?

ok it ended in 53' so you weren't born yet.

nope...but I would presume to qualify for ...you know....ONGOING hostilities...that ongoing would be something a little less time expansive as 40 years....I'd give gaza and israel as an example of ongoing hostilities...not sure that the Korean penisula quite falls into that context.

[StainlessSteelRat]

lewl. Anybody who takes Rush Limbaugh as a credible source needs to l2 think... None of those socialist movements will get passed by the checks and Balance system... Just because he proposes them, doesnt mean they will be enacted.

The president is powerless to do anything except veto bills. The country is run by Congress and the Senate... not the president.

Wow, just wow. Does it vote?

[monsterman4k]

wiki says that the 16th was ratified in 1913, guess when the federal reserve(a private entity) act was signed? 1913.

who really controls the moneys?

The Fed. Reserve act was written up by bankers, not lawmakers, then passed to their marionette in the congress (senator Nelson Aldrich). Two days before Christmas when most of senate was at home for the holidays, Aldrich pushed the bill through congress. FDR, in exchange for massive campaign support from the bankers, had already agreed to sign the bill and did in 1913.

The bankers control the money and thus, the government. Most people aren't aware but, the bankers purposely caused the great depression to bankrupt rival banks(and corporations) for the purpose of buying them out for an extreme discount.

The funny thing, is that the MAIN reason for the succession of the American colonists from Great Britain according to Ben Franklin, was to escape a corrupt central banking system. Yet politicians betray their fore fathers just for a little campaign support.

Oh and guess what...The bankers are responsible for entering us into almost every war the U.S has ever fought in.

World War I: the bankers purposely sent the Lusitania into German controlled waters with ammunition stored on board. The German Embassy even put an advertisment in the New York Times, warning passengers that "a passenger ship traveling through the war zone is liable to destruction. However, passengers still boarded, and were still disgusted when it was(not surprisingly) destroyed.

World War II: A surprise attack by Japanese kamikaze pilots? Nope, it was know of weeks in advance and outright provoked. The U.S halted trade with Japan and openly supplied their enemies with weaponry and military aid. Which of course, is against war rules. Before pearl harbor around 15% of citizens were for the war. After pearl harbor one million men volunteered for the war.

Oh and on a side note. Without the aid of Rockefeller's Standard Oil, Nazi Germany's airforce wouldn't have been able to bomb London or operate at all.

Vietnam: The Gulf of Tonkin Incedent? Never actually happened. It was a lie used to sway national opinion for the war.

Why was Vietnam so hard to win? Probably because the Viet Cong were so crafty yeah? Nope it is more economically viable for bankers to keep the country in a war, rather than win it.

Vietnam's rules of engagement
•Vietnamese anti-aircraft systems were not allowed to be bombed until they were fully operational.
•Soldiers were not allowed to pursue enemies across the border of Vietnam.
•Critical targets could not be engaged without high approval.

These rules were released to the enemy to help sustain the war.

[StainlessSteelRat]

WW signed the FRA, not FDR.

[monsterman4k]

woops, indeed he did, too early for me to be making posts about history :p

[Apex Vertigo]

woops, indeed he did, too early for me to be making posts about history :p

Might just be too early in your life to be posting about history seeing as you take every possible conspiracy theory and pass them along as fact.

Gulf of Tonkein didn't exist? Come on now... don't be silly. It's not even about it existing, it's about how it was misused to give the President more power over the military in South East Asia. L2Conspiracy.

[Porthius]

Thread was Godwin'd on the first damn page. Discussion is long over.

[Apex Vertigo]

Thread was Godwin'd on the first damn page. Discussion is long over.

Yet the mockery continues. Some of us just enjoy telling others they are wrong... is that so wrong?

[Osirus]

The Fed. Reserve act was written up by bankers, not lawmakers, then passed to their marionette in the congress (senator Nelson Aldrich). Two days before Christmas when most of senate was at home for the holidays, Aldrich pushed the bill through congress. FDR, in exchange for massive campaign support from the bankers, had already agreed to sign the bill and did in 1913.

The bankers control the money and thus, the government. Most people aren't aware but, the bankers purposely caused the great depression to bankrupt rival banks(and corporations) for the purpose of buying them out for an extreme discount.

The funny thing, is that the MAIN reason for the succession of the American colonists from Great Britain according to Ben Franklin, was to escape a corrupt central banking system. Yet politicians betray their fore fathers just for a little campaign support.

Oh and guess what...The bankers are responsible for entering us into almost every war the U.S has ever fought in.

World War I: the bankers purposely sent the Lusitania into German controlled waters with ammunition stored on board. The German Embassy even put an advertisment in the New York Times, warning passengers that "a passenger ship traveling through the war zone is liable to destruction. However, passengers still boarded, and were still disgusted when it was(not surprisingly) destroyed.

World War II: A surprise attack by Japanese kamikaze pilots? Nope, it was know of weeks in advance and outright provoked. The U.S halted trade with Japan and openly supplied their enemies with weaponry and military aid. Which of course, is against war rules. Before pearl harbor around 15% of citizens were for the war. After pearl harbor one million men volunteered for the war.

Oh and on a side note. Without the aid of Rockefeller's Standard Oil, Nazi Germany's airforce wouldn't have been able to bomb London or operate at all.

Vietnam: The Gulf of Tonkin Incedent? Never actually happened. It was a lie used to sway national opinion for the war.

Why was Vietnam so hard to win? Probably because the Viet Cong were so crafty yeah? Nope it is more economically viable for bankers to keep the country in a war, rather than win it.

Vietnam's rules of engagement
•Vietnamese anti-aircraft systems were not allowed to be bombed until they were fully operational.
•Soldiers were not allowed to pursue enemies across the border of Vietnam.
•Critical targets could not be engaged without high approval.

These rules were released to the enemy to help sustain the war.

thanks for the history lesson(sincerely) ... and if what you and Apex write is true regarding WWI & II and Tonkein ... wonder what's gone on to initiate/perpetuate the current war.:rolleyes:

I was trying to draw a correlation(conspiracy? perhaps) between the 16th amendment and the FRA coming into play in the same year

[Apex Vertigo]

thanks for the history lesson(sincerely) ... and if what you and Apex write is true regarding WWI & II and Tonkein ... wonder what's gone on to initiate/perpetuate the current war.:rolleyes:

I was trying to draw a correlation(conspiracy? perhaps) between the 16th amendment and the FRA coming into play in the same year

Umm, I wasn't supporting anything conspiracy nut up there was saying. His whole Gulf of Tonkin not existing statement is completely out of his ass, the Gulf of Tonkin incident was abused by LBJ to give him more military control over the SE Asia region during the Vietnam crisis, basically giving him power to skip over Congress to in-act military action. The only conspiracy he could be referring to was the 2nd attack in the incident which has already been ousted as being false, but the 1st attack did happen.

EDIT: Should clarify that, the Congress passed the Resolution after the incident for the President to do this, it was LBJ's justification for escalating the conflict without the Congress having to declare full blown war.

[Razel]

The Fed. Reserve act was written up by bankers, not lawmakers, then passed to their marionette in the congress (senator Nelson Aldrich). Two days before Christmas when most of senate was at home for the holidays, Aldrich pushed the bill through congress. FDR, in exchange for massive campaign support from the bankers, had already agreed to sign the bill and did in 1913.

The bankers control the money and thus, the government. Most people aren't aware but, the bankers purposely caused the great depression to bankrupt rival banks(and corporations) for the purpose of buying them out for an extreme discount.

The funny thing, is that the MAIN reason for the succession of the American colonists from Great Britain according to Ben Franklin, was to escape a corrupt central banking system. Yet politicians betray their fore fathers just for a little campaign support.

Oh and guess what...The bankers are responsible for entering us into almost every war the U.S has ever fought in.

World War I: the bankers purposely sent the Lusitania into German controlled waters with ammunition stored on board. The German Embassy even put an advertisment in the New York Times, warning passengers that "a passenger ship traveling through the war zone is liable to destruction. However, passengers still boarded, and were still disgusted when it was(not surprisingly) destroyed.

World War II: A surprise attack by Japanese kamikaze pilots? Nope, it was know of weeks in advance and outright provoked. The U.S halted trade with Japan and openly supplied their enemies with weaponry and military aid. Which of course, is against war rules. Before pearl harbor around 15% of citizens were for the war. After pearl harbor one million men volunteered for the war.

Oh and on a side note. Without the aid of Rockefeller's Standard Oil, Nazi Germany's airforce wouldn't have been able to bomb London or operate at all.

Vietnam: The Gulf of Tonkin Incedent? Never actually happened. It was a lie used to sway national opinion for the war.

Why was Vietnam so hard to win? Probably because the Viet Cong were so crafty yeah? Nope it is more economically viable for bankers to keep the country in a war, rather than win it.

Vietnam's rules of engagement
•Vietnamese anti-aircraft systems were not allowed to be bombed until they were fully operational.
•Soldiers were not allowed to pursue enemies across the border of Vietnam.
•Critical targets could not be engaged without high approval.

These rules were released to the enemy to help sustain the war.

all true but cattle dont care much about which grass they feed on, they get whats given to them and follow the herd off a cliff.

[Tonikola]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecDxMQcsLg
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_010609/content/01125113.guest.html
http://change.gov/americaserves/
http://www.bizzyblog.com/ChangeDotGovService110808.html

Welcome to the new Obama administration. Welcome to Obamas new Amercia.
The man himself is starting his own private army. Your children and yes even you (18-25)will be finger printed, DNA sampled and psychologically profiled.
What will you get for this, well you will get a shiny new view of what America should be, and a brand new national ID card.

Those of you with your hokey views of having freedom and civil liberties beware.

Your petty constitution and you amendments mean nothing to the great Obama.

/sarcasm off

The civil service pre Obama is not the civil service that is being suggested by Obama. Never before has this country faced the impending change of what civil service means. Never before in this country have civillians been told they MUST serve 50 hours while in middle school or high school and 3 months while in college and an untold amount of hours if you are a retiree. You need to go read Obama's website and get a grip on what is happening here. http://www.change.gov/americaserves/

If you are a teenager and you don't serve you won't get your diploma. If you are a college student and you don't serve you won't get your loans and or the ability to register. If you are a retiree and you don't serve you won't get social security or medicare.

America is now entering complete and total Socialism/Communism/Marxism

What punishment lies for those who refuse.

I wonder when those who oppose Obama will start vanishing.

Change... sweet, sweet change.


Way to all out lie on every single thing in your post. Really doing your republican party proud. If we had any chance of that stuff happening it was with Bush.

[Apex Vertigo]

I should also add that in 2005 the NSA report already explained the 2nd attack was a false report but there is no reason other than paranoia to believe the 1st attack was also false. Provoked? Almost certain, but no reason to believe it just didn't happen even when the N.Vietnamese commented on the attack.

[Osirus]

Umm, I wasn't supporting anything conspiracy nut up there was saying. His whole Gulf of Tonkin not existing statement is completely out of his ass, the Gulf of Tonkin incident was abused by LBJ to give him more military control over the SE Asia region during the Vietnam crisis, basically giving him power to skip over Congress to in-act military action. The only conspiracy he could be referring to was the 2nd attack in the incident which has already been ousted as being false, but the 1st attack did happen.

EDIT: Should clarify that, the Congress passed the Resolution after the incident for the President to do this, it was LBJ's justification for escalating the conflict without the Congress having to declare full blown war.

I wasn't suggesting you were endorsing a conspiracy theory, rather you acknowledged how an incident was used to grant more power to the potus. which lead to my "wonder what's gone on to initiate/perpetuate the current war" remark.

[StainlessSteelRat]

Way to all out lie on every single thing in your post. Really doing your republican party proud. If we had any chance of that stuff happening it was with Bush.

I'm curious. What in the links is false? And what in the OPs post is false?

There's obviously some speculation on his part w/ regards to fingerprinting and DNA but is it far-fetched? We currently fingerprint the military. Would fingerprinting a civil defense force be so off the wall? DNA is probably cost prohibitive but may not remain so in the future. So, that is pure speculation. But based on the statements of the people involved which are in the above links, why is the OP being treated as a conspiracy theorist?

It's all straight from the horse's proverbial mouth. Or is that youtube vid a fake? If the Limbaugh link had false quotes, it would be all over the internet how he faked his website. I mean, it's possible they are faked but not likely considering how many people would love the opportunity to rain on his parade.

Let's assume the OP's interpretation of the information is skewed by his political affiliation. What is your interpretation of Obama's own words and website? His Chief of Staff's own words?

[LordTenacious]

lewl. Anybody who takes Rush Limbaugh as a credible source needs to l2 think

Considering people link to infowars and the fucking huffington post on here as credible sources.....

[Paralda]

;2336781']Homework and projects deal with the academic they are assigned to.

Forcing kids to pick up trash along the side of the road (while not a terribly bad thing), does seem like it's crossing a line.

There's nothing wrong with it. The curriculum also includes that you take Physical Education, which requires you to run laps and do pushups, and that's not crossing the line.

Besides, doing "community service" is often a very broad thing, and students are allowed to choose what they do for it. It's not like everyone's going to get into some big Obama van, wear blue jumpsuits, and pick up trash on the side of the road.


ALSO, some people seem to be misunderstanding... the community service and the Corps are completely different. All of the Corps are voluntary, just like the Peace Corps. The community service, however, is just another added requirement for graduation. Most colleges want that much community service for admission anyways. So, stop thinking this is some crazy mandatory thing that you must serve in, and that it's some kind of Civilian Defense BS. It's just a government run group of volunteers who want to help out. I'm all for it.

[Paralda]

The Fed. Reserve act was written up by bankers, not lawmakers, then passed to their marionette in the congress (senator Nelson Aldrich). Two days before Christmas when most of senate was at home for the holidays, Aldrich pushed the bill through congress. FDR, in exchange for massive campaign support from the bankers, had already agreed to sign the bill and did in 1913.


FDR wasn't president in 1913, Woodrow Wilson was. Learn2history.

[StainlessSteelRat]

So, stop thinking this is some crazy mandatory thing that you must serve in, and that it's some kind of Civilian Defense BS.

Click the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecDxMQcsLg

Seriously, why rebut if you don't even know what the OP is refering to?

[PrimalSign]

Click the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecDxMQcsLg

Holy fucking shit...

[Anaklusmos]

HAHAHA our country can't even get the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea through congress and you think were going to turn into a police state? believe it when i see it

and as far as everyone talking about these socialist programs, theres another joke, we lost how many millions of dollars in our awesome new bailout plan that went to bank executive bonus'...

we are about as responisble with our money as Russia is with their missles :lmao:

[TheLeprachaun]

Fascist much.

Well he's right in a way. Hitler did make Germany a better country. He just went a little wacko. :)

[PirateGlen]

The Fed. Reserve act was written up by bankers, not lawmakers, then passed to their marionette in the congress (senator Nelson Aldrich). Two days before Christmas when most of senate was at home for the holidays, Aldrich pushed the bill through congress. FDR, in exchange for massive campaign support from the bankers, had already agreed to sign the bill and did in 1913.



This post is a monumental amount of billshit. It's always funny when conspiracy nuts buy into it. Unfortunately these boards have quite a few of those.

[StainlessSteelRat]

This post is a monumental amount of billshit. It's always funny when conspiracy nuts buy into it. Unfortunately these boards have quite a few of those.

I'm not going to link anything b/c I'm sure you will claim bias but you should do some reading as I have yet to find anything supporting your opinion here. I would be interested if you found a link and posted it.

[PirateGlen]

I'm not going to link anything b/c I'm sure you will claim bias but you should do some reading as I have yet to find anything supporting your opinion here. I would be interested if you found a link and posted it.

http://www.bos.frb.org/about/pubs/begin.pdf

The banks and most Republicans opposed the version that was enacted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Act

Here wikipedia shows how "most" of the senate was on vacation.
Both wikipedia and the following show how the senators who missed their votes were paired up and were tied anyways.
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/3616/flaherty2.html

Here's the NYT article following the signing:
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9B04E3DB173DE633A25757C2A9649D94 6296D6CF

Bottomline: most bankers didn't like it at the time. The Aldrich plan, which put more power into the hands of private bankers was never passed.

[Krush]

The idea of having to some 'service' while going to college is retarded, going to college is supposed to keep you from having to deal with any service. At least as far as drafts are concerned people going to college can get out of it, the idea is we are smart and they don't want the smart people getting killed.

I'm opposed to any mandated service bs.

[Kuri]

I'm safe from that bullshit,.. (http://incredimazing.com/static/media/2008/08/11/9bf9732d748708f/DontKnowAboutDiabeetus.jpg)

[Bamboopanda]

Wake me up when you all start another revolution. Till then go back to eating your damned mcdonalds and watching idiot idol. Not even going to bother to care until then now, fucking waste of a country.

[pongo]

Honestly people? Did any of you even fucking read the OP's links?


Did the OP even read his links?

The Obama-Biden administration's volunteer initiatives are still taking shape...

When you choose to serve...
Right from http://change.gov/americaserves/

The community service IS NOT FUCKING MANDATORY. AND you get $4,000 towards college.






AND MACE WINDU'S LIGHTSABER IS FUCKING PURPLE.


FUCK.

[Xalan]

When the majority is wrong and the minority is right, the majority will see the minority as insane.

Wake up, we are in for a really disturbing American future if something is not done.

[LordTenacious]

I guess that puts cannibals, rapists, and murderers in the right because the majority of people think they are insane.

[Haeso]

When the majority is wrong and the minority is right, the majority will see the minority as insane.

Wake up, we are in for a really disturbing American future if something is not done.

How about I just keep on ignoring politics and government like I've been doing. Shit, I make enough money where I could just move to Europe if it gets fucked up here. Not worried.

[Xalan]

I guess that puts cannibals, rapists, and murderers in the right because the majority of people think they are insane.

Nah, because murderers and rapists are wrong. No matter what.

Like Mace Windu's lightsaber, it's lavender. Anyone who can't seen that is wrong, or colour blind. No matter what the majority says.

[LordTenacious]

Nah, because murderers and rapists are wrong. No matter what.

Not according to that quote you posted.

[Xalan]

Not according to that quote you posted.

Way to misread a post.

If you tell your friend not to stick a fork in the light socket or he will get shocked. But everyone else in the room tells you you're wrong and tells him that he won't get shocked and to go ahead with it. You are still right, your friend will get shocked, no matter what everyone else in the room says.

[Spinewire]

;2336095']http://www.foroswebgratis.com/fotos/2/1/0/0/7/136041mace%20windu.jpg

that is fucking pink
go get your eyes tested

http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/pink.png
Way to misread a post.



If you tell your friend not to stick a fork in the light socket or he will get shocked. But everyone else in the room tells you you're wrong and tells him that he won't get shocked and to go ahead with it. You are still right, your friend will get shocked, no matter what everyone else in the room says.

it's more likely you did not realise he was holding a plastic fork

[Xalan]

;2336095']http://www.foroswebgratis.com/fotos/2/1/0/0/7/136041mace%20windu.jpg

that is pink

http://www.reprosupplies.co.uk/images/products/LA160A4IQLA12.jpg

lavender

[Silverhandorder]

Honestly people? Did any of you even fucking read the OP's links?


Did the OP even read his links?


Right from http://change.gov/americaserves/

The community service IS NOT FUCKING MANDATORY. AND you get $4,000 towards college.






AND MACE WINDU'S LIGHTSABER IS FUCKING PURPLE.


FUCK.
First I would be fucking dammed if this is not proof how government should not be allowed to handle money period. For 100 hours of service they get paid 4k$. That is 40$/h.

Second SATs are also "not mandatory" until you realize that government will do anything in their power to make sure there are incentives to their programs. Whether they start by giving benefits or bribing institutions does not mean you will not be screwed.

[LordTenacious]

Way to misread a post.

Misread? Heavens no. If you would realize what I am doing and apply it to what some of these chumps are doing in this thread, it will all become clear young padawan.

[Malishan]

Rofl you guys are so full of shit I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Hear that boys? Anything you don't want to do is now slavery.

I don't want to brush my teeth. If I do, I have been enslaved by Crest.

Fucking dimwit. I pay my taxes, I work all my life, and when I retire you tell me I have to work to get the services I've already paid for 10x over? If social security is broke it's because the government has given it away to non-working, non taxpaying foreign nationals and wasted it on corruption, bureaucracy and stupidity.

At what point do taxes and now possibly mandatory service become too much? When is enough enough? Because other socialist countries pay more in taxes does that mean we should be paying more? To finance more corruption and waste? Thats what mandatory service is - more taxes, just in another form. And yes, it IS slavery.

[LordTenacious]

One question. What are you going to do about it? Lemme guess. "Spread the word".

[dpoulson]

Fucking dimwit. I pay my taxes, I work all my life, and when I retire you tell me I have to work to get the services I've already paid for 10x over? If social security is broke it's because the government has given it away to non-working, non taxpaying foreign nationals and wasted it on corruption, bureaucracy and stupidity.


I believe the idea of SS is out-of-date as is currently. It use to work because there were a small number of retirees and a large work force. Now that the baby boomers are approaching retirement age, this no longer holds true.

The real solution would be to remove the retirement plans of the senators whom voted for their own special retirement packages and put them in the same plan as everyone else. This would possibly provide the motivation for some much needed improvements in SS.

[acrb101]

I don't mind it. Helps catch and foil people who do bad illegal things and terrorists and all that. If it's true of course. It's not Socialism/Marxism at all. We still have our Constitution, and all the amendments.

They're just precautions. Would you rather do that, or have someone your close to get killed/hurt/injured?

[nathanpinard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecDxMQcsLg
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_010609/content/01125113.guest.html
http://change.gov/americaserves/
http://www.bizzyblog.com/ChangeDotGovService110808.html

Welcome to the new Obama administration. Welcome to Obamas new Amercia.
The man himself is starting his own private army. Your children and yes even you (18-25)will be finger printed, DNA sampled and psychologically profiled.
What will you get for this, well you will get a shiny new view of what America should be, and a brand new national ID card.

Those of you with your hokey views of having freedom and civil liberties beware.

Your petty constitution and you amendments mean nothing to the great Obama.

/sarcasm off

The civil service pre Obama is not the civil service that is being suggested by Obama. Never before has this country faced the impending change of what civil service means. Never before in this country have civillians been told they MUST serve 50 hours while in middle school or high school and 3 months while in college and an untold amount of hours if you are a retiree. You need to go read Obama's website and get a grip on what is happening here. http://www.change.gov/americaserves/

If you are a teenager and you don't serve you won't get your diploma. If you are a college student and you don't serve you won't get your loans and or the ability to register. If you are a retiree and you don't serve you won't get social security or medicare.

America is now entering complete and total Socialism/Communism/Marxism

What punishment lies for those who refuse.

I wonder when those who oppose Obama will start vanishing.

Change... sweet, sweet change.

Where does it say it's mandatory? It does not anywhere say you won't get x if you don't do y.

[Xalan]

I don't mind it. Helps catch and foil people who do bad illegal things and terrorists and all that. If it's true of course. It's not Socialism/Marxism at all. We still have our Constitution, and all the amendments.

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

~Benjamin Franklin

[Sharuk]

Ok now lets stop with the conspiracy theories, it wont go anywhere, how about we talk about the real issues?

Like
Social Security(its failing)
Congress(8% Approval FTW!)

And many others

[Xalan]

Ok now lets stop with the conspiracy theories, it wont go anywhere, how about we talk about the real issues?

Like
Social Security(its failing)
Congress(8% Approval FTW!)

And many others


It will be an issue when you are forced to serve our "glorious leader'

Remember your history. Hitler and the Soviet Union implemented similar programs.

[pongo]

Like Mace Windu's lightsaber, it's lavender. Anyone who can't seen that is wrong, or colour blind. No matter what the majority says.

I lol'ed at that.


Pssstttt: (It's because you're wrong)

[reknown]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2006/2344160764_927e861862.jpg

I just thought the picture was ironically relevant to this discussion.

Maybe you should stop to think that its not the government that's failing, yet it's the American people. I take no sides to this argument because either way its doomed to the shitter. No side wins, no side is happy.

And in response to nearly everything monsterman4k has posted to this thread. Plagiarism is a crime. http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ Hopefully they don't mind you took their words and used them as your own. Such a shame that you have no intellectual responses of your own.

[saltwaterteffy]

ZOMG ZOMG *Tinfoil*

must....get....more.....FOILLLL!!!!

[Paralda]

Honestly people? Did any of you even fucking read the OP's links?


Did the OP even read his links?


Right from http://change.gov/americaserves/

The community service IS NOT FUCKING MANDATORY. AND you get $4,000 towards college.






AND MACE WINDU'S LIGHTSABER IS FUCKING PURPLE.


FUCK.


This.

[Paralda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecDxMQcsLg
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_010609/content/01125113.guest.html
http://change.gov/americaserves/
http://www.bizzyblog.com/ChangeDotGovService110808.html

Welcome to the new Obama administration. Welcome to Obamas new Amercia.
The man himself is starting his own private army. Your children and yes even you (18-25)will be finger printed, DNA sampled and psychologically profiled.
What will you get for this, well you will get a shiny new view of what America should be, and a brand new national ID card.

All bullshit and speculation.


Those of you with your hokey views of having freedom and civil liberties beware.

Your petty constitution and you amendments mean nothing to the great Obama.

More bullshit.


The civil service pre Obama is not the civil service that is being suggested by Obama. Never before has this country faced the impending change of what civil service means. Never before in this country have civillians been told they MUST serve 50 hours while in middle school or high school

My school requires 75 for graduation, and most of the other schools in the area do as well. So, that's a completely unfounded statement.

and 3 months while in college and an untold amount of hours if you are a retiree. You need to go read Obama's website and get a grip on what is happening here. http://www.change.gov/americaserves/

Okay, his own website says the college "service" is mandatory and gives you money for college. The "Corps" thing he has going is separate from "community service". I don't think you actually understand what community service is. You choose what you do, and you get forms signed, then you go to your guidance councilour, they confirm that you did whatever (and it can be virtually anything, as long as it helps the community in some way), then you're done. It's actually a lot of fun.

I think that you believe there will be a big roundup of kids every third Wednesday to get into the Obama van, wearing Obama jumpsuits, and picking up trash on the side of the road. That's untrue, and won't happen. The "Corps", which are just specialized forms of the Peace Corps are completely volunteer, and just a government organized volunteer group.


If you are a teenager and you don't serve you won't get your diploma. If you are a college student and you don't serve you won't get your loans and or the ability to register. If you are a retiree and you don't serve you won't get social security or medicare.

That's COMPLETE bullshit. If you're a teenager and you don't do your community service, it's the same as if you don't do your senior project, or don't write an essay. It's a school assignment. If you don't do it, you fail. Is Obama evil for making our kids run laps in PE?

The rest of that statement is just wrong. Read the link you posted (not the Rush Limbaugh propaganda shit), it's all volunteer.


America is now entering complete and total Socialism/Communism/Marxism


How can you compare something to fascism and then communism?


What punishment lies for those who refuse.


NOTHING. IT'S VOLUNTEER WORK YOU PARANOID FUCK.


I wonder when those who oppose Obama will start vanishing.

Change... sweet, sweet change.

... /facepalm

[psychosiszz]

Really where in history did the SS do this?
Will Obama start killing jews too!? Really I hate it when people try and match others as nazi's its a pathetic way to get attention.

[jonyak]

Fucking dimwit. I pay my taxes, I work all my life, and when I retire you tell me I have to work to get the services I've already paid for 10x over? If social security is broke it's because the government has given it away to non-working, non taxpaying foreign nationals and wasted it on corruption, bureaucracy and stupidity.

At what point do taxes and now possibly mandatory service become too much? When is enough enough? Because other socialist countries pay more in taxes does that mean we should be paying more? To finance more corruption and waste? Thats what mandatory service is - more taxes, just in another form. And yes, it IS slavery.

I am so sick of you slavery morons whining about this all the fucking time.

IF YOU DON"T LIKE IT. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

[Grimwinter]

I thought all you "good ole boy" Republican types had been itching to get slavery back in play for years anyway?

On another note, am I the only one that thinks Obama got voted in partly because of the success of "24"? I know it seems weird but having a noble, honourable black man as the President ingrained in the public consciousness via a popular show could have had something to do with it right?

(Sorry, that just popped into my head there!)

[Haeso]

I thought all you "good ole boy" Republican types had been itching to get slavery back in play for years anyway?

On another note, am I the only one that thinks Obama got voted in partly because of the success of "24"? I know it seems weird but having a noble, honourable black man as the President ingrained in the public consciousness via a popular show could have had something to do with it right?

(Sorry, that just popped into my head there!)

Fuck that shit show.

[Grimwinter]

Fuck that shit show.

I'll take that as a "no" then.

[StainlessSteelRat]

http://www.bos.frb.org/about/pubs/begin.pdf

The banks and most Republicans opposed the version that was enacted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Act

Here wikipedia shows how "most" of the senate was on vacation.
Both wikipedia and the following show how the senators who missed their votes were paired up and were tied anyways.
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/3616/flaherty2.html

Here's the NYT article following the signing:
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9B04E3DB173DE633A25757C2A9649D94 6296D6CF

Bottomline: most bankers didn't like it at the time. The Aldrich plan, which put more power into the hands of private bankers was never passed.

OK, I should have been clearer. I was refering to the writing of the legislation more than the '2 days before xmas push through'. Regardless, bankers did write the legislation. It was revised by Congress in many ways but not significantly enough.

The creation of a board of governors who were appointed by the gov't did not keep control of the Fed in public hands as is claimed/intimated in many articles. That was fluff to get the bill passed. In addition, the gov't gave up its right to print money and turned it over to private interests. Gov't oversight of the Fed is cursory at best.

So, were the bankers as happy? Probably not, but what did get passed was good enough. That the final legislation as modified enough to buy support does not erase the influence of the original source. It was written by bankers for banks and it was eventually passed.

EDIT - thanks for the links btw.

@Paralda -
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paralda View Post
So, stop thinking this is some crazy mandatory thing that you must serve in, and that it's some kind of Civilian Defense BS.
Click the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecDxMQcsLg

Seriously, why rebut if you don't even know what the OP is refering to?

Still no word on this Paralda? Just re-quoting the OP and saying its bullshit? Again, I'll ask: what in the links posted by the OP is faked?

And for those of you quoting the "volunteer" bit, that is a quote of Obama musing about public service and is not a direct description of what he intends to set up. What he intends to set up is not really clear and not defined. This is what makes this issue important. They threw that quote in to misdirect you when the actual programs are NOT necessarily voluntary. Now you will have to wait and see. It's very ambiguous.

[Ziegler]

I thought all you "good ole boy" Republican types had been itching to get slavery back in play for years anyway?

On another note, am I the only one that thinks Obama got voted in partly because of the success of "24"? I know it seems weird but having a noble, honourable black man as the President ingrained in the public consciousness via a popular show could have had something to do with it right?

(Sorry, that just popped into my head there!)

No...it was because 98% of the black population voted for the black man running for president because they're not racist....only the less than 50% of white people that voted for McCain voted for him because all white people are racist.........

[Truart]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Germany

Just to show you how the Germans handle consription today. I am German and I refused to join the army so I do honorary service at the THW (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THW) which hasnt interrupted my education at all. There are 2-3 days of duty a month for me which isnt that bad. ;)

[Jo0wZ]

Stop quoting me, or I will burn you all.

[Haeso]

Stop quoting me, or I will burn you all.

Do it do it do it.

[Xalan]

Stop quoting me, or I will burn you all.

Who's quoting you?

[Nexus]

To serve is a good thing, It builds discipline.
The youth of today is way to spoiled, also if Hitler wasn't anti-semitic and start the war thing he would be a good leader.
It is not a good thing when forced. If people want to serve, that's fine by me, go and join the army, I don't have to respect you if your fighting a war I don't agree with and it's completely your decision to do so.

Conscription is a horrible idea though.

[1998altima]

No...it was because 98% of the black population voted for the black man running for president because they're not racist....only the less than 50% of white people that voted for McCain voted for him because all white people are racist.........

Yes, I agree the worst thing about Obama is that he's black. You can't say shit against him or else you are a 'racist'. But the real reason McCain lost can be summed up by Chris Rock, "George Bush did such a bad job as president he made it hard for a white man to run for office."

[Skree]

It will be an issue when you are forced to serve our "glorious leader'

Remember your history. Hitler and the Soviet Union implemented similar programs.Both had totalitarian dictators. Completely unrelated to Marxism/Socialism/Communism.

Hitler was a fascist not a communist, the 2 are completely incompatible. Stalin was a totalitarian dictator, not a communist. His politics is more correctly called "Stalinism".

Seriously try at least reading the definitions of big words before you show your stupidity to the entire forum. And please stop displaying your complete ignorance of history, while telling other people to remember it.

I know it's a completely unreasonable idea, but you might try reading some Marx before you start using words like Marxism.

What you see rising here in the US is Corporatism and Fascism. Obama is just the latest poster-boy for that.

Now if your as stupid as you sound you should call me a communist so I can laugh at you IRL. :lmao:

Skree

[Vessol]

OMG! Requiring stupid ass high school students and college students to do community service! How horrible!

/facepalm

Go back to wrapping your body with tinfoil, fucking retarded OP.

[Vessol]

It will be an issue when you are forced to serve our "glorious leader'

Remember your history. Hitler and the Soviet Union implemented similar programs.

Similar programs? They required their citizens to participate in normal community service?
Oh shit, we already make criminals on parole do that! You sheeple! You blind sheeple!

[acrb101]

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

~Benjamin Franklin

What liberties am I giving up when I am getting finger printed, DNA sampled and psychologically profiled? The liberty of getting away with crimes?

Doing these is taking away NOTHING.

[Sabbathius]

What liberties am I giving up when I am getting finger printed, DNA sampled and psychologically profiled? The liberty of getting away with crimes?

Doing these is taking away NOTHING.

Finger prints are yours. Only you have them. Nobody else in the world has fingerprints like yours. You give them up, they're no longer yours.

DNA is yours. Same as fingerprints.

Psychological profiling is you answering questions. Which is voluntary. If it is not voluntary, then it is coercion. For example, "you won't get the job unless you do a phych evaluation with our doctor" is coercion.

See, if the legal system was flawless, you could say "I'm only giving away the liberty of getting away with crimes". As it is now, it is not perfect. People have been convicted, jailed or executed, only to be exonerated decades later. When you give them fingerprints/DNA, you give away your personal data. If someone brushed against you on the subway, and you left your DNA on them, but someone who killed them didn't, and the police find a corpse with YOUR DNA, however small amounts, under the victim's fingernails, and they have no other suspects, guess who is getting charged with murder based on circumstantial evidence? That's right, you are. Without your DNA sample, as it is now, they have to first identify you as a suspect, then ask you for DNA sample, which you can refuse, which forces them to provide a judge with enough probable cause to subpoena you to give a DNA sample.

But you would give them this weapon against you for free? Simple child of nature you are. I suppose you believe justice system is completely accurate and your government only has your best interests at heart?

[Ziegler]

I suppose you believe justice system is completely accurate and your government only has your best interests at heart?

wha....you mean they dont? :confused:

[acrb101]

Finger prints are yours. Only you have them. Nobody else in the world has fingerprints like yours. You give them up, they're no longer yours.

DNA is yours. Same as fingerprints.

Psychological profiling is you answering questions. Which is voluntary. If it is not voluntary, then it is coercion. For example, "you won't get the job unless you do a phych evaluation with our doctor" is coercion.

See, if the legal system was flawless, you could say "I'm only giving away the liberty of getting away with crimes". As it is now, it is not perfect. People have been convicted, jailed or executed, only to be exonerated decades later. When you give them fingerprints/DNA, you give away your personal data. If someone brushed against you on the subway, and you left your DNA on them, but someone who killed them didn't, and the police find a corpse with YOUR DNA, however small amounts, under the victim's fingernails, and they have no other suspects, guess who is getting charged with murder based on circumstantial evidence? That's right, you are. Without your DNA sample, as it is now, they have to first identify you as a suspect, then ask you for DNA sample, which you can refuse, which forces them to provide a judge with enough probable cause to subpoena you to give a DNA sample.

But you would give them this weapon against you for free? Simple child of nature you are. I suppose you believe justice system is completely accurate and your government only has your best interests at heart?

No, the justice system is not completely accurate. If I do something bad, I damn well deserved to get caught. They should have a database of DNA, so whenever a horribly crime is committed, they can much more easily catch the perpetrator. If your close relative/friend was murdered, would you still say that Law Enforcement should not be able to use your DNA to rule you out, or arrest you if you were guilty.

Using your little set up. A small trace, if any, DNA that rubbed off of you and was now on that person would probably be a very low match, and is not enough to convict on.


Crazy people deserve help, not to work in jobs. This is the one I least agree with, but I agree with part of it.

All they have to do is run your DNA/Fingerprints and you will pop up. If you're a terrorist, you're caught. If you've been kidnapped, your found, if you're a fugitive, your going back to jail, if you've committed a crime, you're going to get caught. In my opinion, giving up my fingerprints and DNA so that another September 11th wont happen is OK. The good greatly outweighs the bad.

[1998altima]

No, the justice system is not completely accurate. If I do something bad, I damn well deserved to get caught. They should have a database of DNA, so whenever a horribly crime is committed, they can much more easily catch the perpetrator. If your close relative/friend was murdered, would you still say that Law Enforcement should not be able to use your DNA to rule you out, or arrest you if you were guilty.

Using your little set up. A small trace, if any, DNA that rubbed off of you and was now on that person would probably be a very low match, and is not enough to convict on.


Crazy people deserve help, not to work in jobs. This is the one I least agree with, but I agree with part of it.

All they have to do is run your DNA/Fingerprints and you will pop up. If you're a terrorist, you're caught. If you've been kidnapped, your found, if you're a fugitive, your going back to jail, if you've committed a crime, you're going to get caught. In my opinion, giving up my fingerprints and DNA so that another September 11th wont happen is OK. The good greatly outweighs the bad.

Do you know how fucked up fingerprinting is? How is another Sept. 11 not going to happen if we have fingerprinting? Will the entire world be fingerprinted?

Let's say we were all fingerprinted. How would that have stopped Sept. 11?

[acrb101]

Do you know how fucked up fingerprinting is? How is another Sept. 11 not going to happen if we have fingerprinting? Will the entire world be fingerprinted?

Let's say we were all fingerprinted. How would that have stopped Sept. 11?

I didn't say it would, I said it could. And I wasn't only talking about the finger printing, I was also considering the DNA. Since everyone in the country HAS to be fingerprinted, the ones who aren't will pop up on that computer screen that somethings wrong. Of course, ways to bypass this will be found, but it will make it harder.

I still argue that this does not destroy any of your own liberties.

[Ziegler]

I still argue that this does not destroy any of your own liberties.

Until such a day as they decide to outlaw handguns...and then use your fingerprints and DNA to track you down and focibly take your guns.

It's called personal freedom. I should not have to give the government a damned thing without a warrant. (as if it is that hard for a government official to get a piece of paper from another government official to violate a citizens rights).....

We have cloning now...how hard would it be for someone to clone your DNA and frame you? Without your DNA on file, you dont get caught up in it.

And no...if my parents or kids were killed today, it would not make me think that everyone in the world needs to have their DNA or fingerprints on file. It would make me think that I should be allowed to have a few days alone with the victim if I manage to catch them. (and trust me, after I get done with them for a week or two, they'll be the victim)

[Paralda]

Until such a day as they decide to outlaw handguns...and then use your fingerprints and DNA to track you down and focibly take your guns.

It's called personal freedom. I should not have to give the government a damned thing without a warrant. (as if it is that hard for a government official to get a piece of paper from another government official to violate a citizens rights).....

We have cloning now...how hard would it be for someone to clone your DNA and frame you? Without your DNA on file, you dont get caught up in it.

And no...if my parents or kids were killed today, it would not make me think that everyone in the world needs to have their DNA or fingerprints on file. It would make me think that I should be allowed to have a few days alone with the victim if I manage to catch them. (and trust me, after I get done with them for a week or two, they'll be the victim)

/tinfoil

[Ziegler]

/tinfoil

right....I'm a tinfoil when you see things like the patriot act or other such things that arent so publicized.

Let me put it to you this way...you know someone personally, in the military, that spent some years in military intelligence....and they dont trust the government to have that kind of information....call me tinfoil all you want...I'm on their side.

[StainlessSteelRat]

Using your little set up. A small trace, if any, DNA that rubbed off of you and was now on that person would probably be a very low match, and is not enough to convict on.

Feel free to bet your life/liberty on that, but don't bet mine. Head on down to the local fbi and give them samples for their database.

[Deleted]

What the hell is up with all this tinfoiling shit. Some kind new hipster word?

Interwebz aree geetin weerd

[camiox]

good thing I'm moving out of the country soon.