Athiests are stupid.

[Jo0wZ]

Just as any religious idiot, if you think about it, it does not differ from any other religion because you firmly believe there is no god(lack of), you might think you are a rationalist but you are not.

the only true answer is, that we don't know.
Can you truthfully look me in the eyes and say there is Santa Claus? No.
But can you truthfully look me in the eyes and tell with 100% that Santa does not exist. No. Why? Do you have any proof he does not exist?

The only logical answer is that you just don't know.
We must stop giving a fuck about this, and live our life's to our full potential.

We can only hope that in the end there is a god, and tells us not to worry about our sins and forgive humanity for what it has become.

Hope people, our main motivation to make our life's better.

[NapalmEnema]

Athiests are awesome because they wear mascara and make cool statements that are anti-Jesus.

[Apex Vertigo]

That's the stance a lot of atheist take, but I claim to be atheist just in spite of the hard core theist, because I consider "religion" to be utter bullshit and I'm not ready to concede that they could possibly be right based on anything other than complete unfathomable luck.

[Demonwulf]

Christianity isnt the only religion, y'know :eek:

[Jo0wZ]

That's the stance a lot of atheist take, but I claim to be atheist just in spite of the hard core theist, because I consider "religion" to be utter bullshit and I'm not ready to concede that they could possibly be right based on anything other than complete unfathomable luck.

If there is one thing I learned in my lifetime, there is no luck.

[Harsher]

Just as any religious idiot, if you think about it, it does not differ from any other religion because you firmly believe there is no god(lack of), you might think you are a rationalist but you are not.

the only true answer is, that we don't know.
Can you truthfully look me in the eyes and say there is Santa Claus? No.
But can you truthfully look me in the eyes and tell with 100% that Santa does not exist. No. Why? Do you have any proof he does not exist?

The only logical answer is that you just don't know.
We must stop giving a fuck about this, and live our life's to our full potential.

We can only hope that in the end there is a god, and tells us not to worry about our sins and forgive humanity for what it has become.

Hope people, our main motivation to make our life's better.

obvious troll.
I think anyone with that much stupid wouldn't be able to type out all that text.

[Vessol]

I LIKE WHERE THIS THREAD IS GOING!

(Oh I do)

[Jo0wZ]

obvious troll.
I think anyone with that much stupid wouldn't be able to type out all that text.

How can you be sure that I'm a troll, maybe it's my intention, maybe I'm just retarded. the fact is: You don't know. That is the moral of this story.

[akrippler]

If atheists are stupid then most religious people are nothing but weak-minded.

This is the ONLY reason I consider myself an atheist because I have taken time to think about it and the most logical conclusion I have come to is that there is a far better chance that we evolved from animals rather than magically appeared.

[Koveras]

The only logical answer is that you just don't know.
We must stop giving a fuck about this, and live our life's to our full potential.


I was already doing this, jackass!
Thanks for another useless religion thread.

[FivosRazor1]

I don't believe in any religion because religions are bullshit.And what if there is a god???I don't have to do what he says.He would be an asshole if he existed anyway

[Drudley]

Just as any religious idiot, if you think about it, it does not differ from any other religion because you firmly believe there is no god(lack of), you might think you are a rationalist but you are not.

the only true answer is, that we don't know.
Can you truthfully look me in the eyes and say there is Santa Claus? No.
But can you truthfully look me in the eyes and tell with 100% that Santa does not exist. No. Why? Do you have any proof he does not exist?

The only logical answer is that you just don't know.
We must stop giving a fuck about this, and live our life's to our full potential.

We can only hope that in the end there is a god, and tells us not to worry about our sins and forgive humanity for what it has become.

Hope people, our main motivation to make our life's better.


Atheism = lack of belief in a god.

So what you are saying is if you don't have belief in every single thing, stupid concept, fantasy or idea, then you are not rational.

So, to be rational you must believe in ghosts, santa, fairies, alien obductions and the fact that there's an invisible pink unicorn behind you at all times.


You must be living in a crazy world.

[holychicken]

And you are an idiot for not believing in the toothfairy, Santa Claus, and the boogey man.

[Henu989]

1.)
Atheism and Theism is the answer to the question "Do you believe?"
No the question "Do you know?"

2.)
Of course every atheist is agnostic on some level, but you really shouldn't be dealing with absolute certainity because there is no such thing.

However on every practical and realistic level, you can say that the is no Santa Claus, God or Darkfall.

[1998altima]

The one thing most religions get right is The Golden Rule. The rest of the stuff they claim is meh.

We would not need religion if everyone lived by The Golden Rule.

Now for my song. Ehem.

Atheists FUCK YEAH!
Coming to tell you that religion is wrong!
Atheists FUCK YEAH!
Science!
FUCK YEAH!
Skeptics!
FUCK YEAH!
I'm Right!
FUCK YEAH!
Your Wrong!
FUCK YEAH!

[Ludo]

We live, we die, now fuck off with your wannabe positive thinking.

[Porthius]

Athiest feel justification in their answer, that there is no god, through science and observation, just as most religious people use faith and holy texts like the bible as their justification.
So yeah, you could say it's silly, but I guess if someone told me there was an invisible man standing next to me that I couldn't see, hear, or touch and he had magical powers, I would probably tell him to piss off rather than take his word for it, so I kinda feel for the athiests. It's a matter of perspective.
Agnosticism is probably the most logical standpoint though, because yeah we don't really know for sure. I suppose if an all powerful being really didn't want proof of its existence it could make it so.

[Dhig]

Just as any religious idiot, if you think about it, it does not differ from any other religion because you firmly believe there is no god(lack of), you might think you are a rationalist but you are not.

the only true answer is, that we don't know.
Can you truthfully look me in the eyes and say there is Santa Claus? No.
But can you truthfully look me in the eyes and tell with 100% that Santa does not exist. No. Why? Do you have any proof he does not exist?

The only logical answer is that you just don't know.
We must stop giving a fuck about this, and live our life's to our full potential.

We can only hope that in the end there is a god, and tells us not to worry about our sins and forgive humanity for what it has become.

Hope people, our main motivation to make our life's better.

Most atheist arent hardcore atheist but atheist agnostics.
Meaning they deny that there is god/s til there are evidence.

I am atheist agnostic and I deny that god/s exist.
Prove me wrong and I will believe it is true.

Religious idiots are also atheist. They belong to the hardcore atheist because they deny the possibility of other religions.
So yes, I agree that atheists are idiots. Not atheist agnostics though.

[Harsher]

How can you be sure that I'm a troll, maybe it's my intention, maybe I'm just retarded. the fact is: You don't know. That is the moral of this story.

okay..just like you don't know there's not invisible unicorns, yet you still claim to "not believe in invisible unicorns", atheists don't believe there is a god, because there is no reason to believe there is a god. You don't start with a conclusion - you start with evidence, go where it takes you, and make conclusions off of it.

You don't believe there is a dancing invisible all powerful gerbil on your head right now, there for your ignorant because you should be agnostic to the possibility there is one there?

atheists don't claim to "know" anything. they just give equal odds to the existence god, as they do any other outrageous claim.

[Erroneous]

What if I told you that I could put in a good word with God and make sure that your sins are forgiven and you get to join him in the kingdom of heaven, but only if you give me $100. You probably wouldn't believe me, but you can't say for certain that I am lying. So lets say that there is one chance in ten trillion that I am actually being honest and can guarantee you a pleasant afterlife, fulfilling the main motivation of your life as you describe it. Logically the $100 would be a worthwhile investment, since even an infinitesimal probability of me securing you infinite joy is of greater value than $100 (or any arbitrary value I asked for).

Church works kind of the same way only instead of paying them (most still do) you give up a few hours each week. Maybe you think they are a little more likely to hold the key to heaven, but reasonable people could disagree on that.

The point is that multiple people can be logically acting differently and calling themselves different things based on the probabilities and values they assign here.

[DocGonzo]

The one thing most religions get right is The Golden Rule. The rest of the stuff they claim is meh.

We would not need religion if everyone lived by The Golden Rule.

Now for my song. Ehem.

Atheists FUCK YEAH!
Coming to tell you that religion is wrong!
Atheists FUCK YEAH!
Science!
FUCK YEAH!
Skeptics!
FUCK YEAH!
I'm Right!
FUCK YEAH!
Your Wrong!
FUCK YEAH!

umm...Confucious wrote the "golden rule" long before a certain carpenter was born in a manger...had nothing to do with religion, was all about being a good civil servant

i'm just sayin'...

[Dhig]

atheists don't claim to "know" anything. they just give equal odds to the existence god, as they do any other outrageous claim.

Not true. Atheist is lack of belief of abstract beings. The statement is right because you cant prove abstract.
They would still deny it if there were evidence though.

[Zakkery]

Your average atheist doesn't need to prove that God doesn't exist, they simply followed the logical train of thought that there is no solid proof for a god existing, therefore, i don't think there is one. If there was some tangible evidence to prove the existence of a god, i think a lot of atheists would convert. Fact is, there isnt any.

[Goty]

I was wondering when our daily Theist/Atheist thread would crop up.

[Harsher]

Not true. Atheist is lack of belief of abstract beings. The statement is right because you cant prove abstract.
They would still deny it if there were evidence though.

Still deny it if there was evidence? No. if religion had enough evidence it wouldn't require faith, it'd be a fact.

[Leathe]

Religion should be kept personal, imo. Applies to any belief, even the belief in not believing in a deity.

Something to think about (again): What if a deity made the laws of physics and made the Big Bang happen?
*Throws a pie of philosophy*

[1998altima]

umm...Confucious wrote the "golden rule" long before a certain carpenter was born in a manger...had nothing to do with religion, was all about being a good civil servant

i'm just sayin'...

Well to let you know I wasn't talking about Christianity creating the golden rule. I find it funny that most religions have some form of the golden rule in their sacred texts.

Anyways my point is that we don't need religions if everyone lived by the golden rule.

[Jo0wZ]

okay..just like you don't know there's not invisible unicorns, yet you still claim to "not believe in invisible unicorns", atheists don't believe there is a god, because there is no reason to believe there is a god. You don't start with a conclusion - you start with evidence, go where it takes you, and make conclusions off of it.

You don't believe there is a dancing invisible all powerful gerbil on your head right now, there for your ignorant because you should be agnostic to the possibility there is one there?

atheists don't claim to "know" anything. they just give equal odds to the existence god, as they do any other outrageous claim.

So you are saying you are close-minded?

[ExiliuM]

Just as any religious idiot, if you think about it, it does not differ from any other religion because you firmly believe there is no god(lack of), you might think you are a rationalist but you are not.

the only true answer is, that we don't know.
Can you truthfully look me in the eyes and say there is Santa Claus? No.
But can you truthfully look me in the eyes and tell with 100% that Santa does not exist. No. Why? Do you have any proof he does not exist?

The only logical answer is that you just don't know.
We must stop giving a fuck about this, and live our life's to our full potential.

We can only hope that in the end there is a god, and tells us not to worry about our sins and forgive humanity for what it has become.

Hope people, our main motivation to make our life's better.

I don't believe in god. But I don't waste my time trying to prove he doesn't exist.

So fuck you.

[The Cougar]

1.)
Atheism and Theism is the answer to the question "Do you believe?"
No the question "Do you know?"

2.)
Of course every atheist is agnostic on some level, but you really shouldn't be dealing with absolute certainity because there is no such thing.

However on every practical and realistic level, you can say that the is no Santa Claus, God or Darkfall.
Yes. Though the term "agnostic" technically is to us wrong here.

[Aragoni]

Religion should be kept personal, imo. Applies to any belief, even the belief in not believing in a deity.

Something to think about (again): What if a deity made the laws of physics and made the Big Bang happen?
*Throws a pie of philosophy*

My thoughts exactly. I used to classify myself as an Atheist but by after a big discussion on Forumfall (true story) I call myself Agnostic!

[Vessol]

THE GOLDEN RULE

The man with the GOLD rules.

/THE GOLDEN RULE

[Jo0wZ]

Your average atheist doesn't need to prove that God doesn't exist, they simply followed the logical train of thought that there is no solid proof for a god existing, therefore, i don't think there is one. If there was some tangible evidence to prove the existence of a god, i think a lot of atheists would convert. Fact is, there isnt any.

something abstract: explain Deja Vu.

[Jesus]

Atheists don't have to prove there is no god, the burden of proof is on the believer.
For the disbeliever to prove himself right, he has to prove that there is no god in all the infinitude of the universe; for the believer to prove himself, he simply has to prove that there is a god in one place.
If someone who didn't believe in Santa had the burden of proof, there would be no way for him to prove it, so we would all have to believe in Santa.

[Aragoni]

Atheists don't have to prove there is no god, the burden of proof is on the believer.
For the disbeliever to prove himself right, he has to prove that there is no god in all the infinitude of the universe, for the believer to prove himself, he simply has to prove that there is a god in one place.
If the someone who didn't believe in Santa had the burden of proof, there would be no way for him to prove it, so we would all have to believe in Santa.

And this is Jesus speaking!

[Vessol]

something abstract: explain Deja Vu.

Have fun
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5194382.stm
http://books.google.com/books?id=5flMtjmezeYC&dq=the+deja+vu+experience+alan+brown&pg=PP1&ots=ugU8LkXHOA&sig=-MPgMH6oJTkN4kchoJMKzVgcBwk&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-49,GGLD:en&q=the+deja+vu+experience+alan+brown&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail
http://www.neurologychannel.com/seizures/types.shtml
http://science.howstuffworks.com/question657.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/14/science/14deja.html?ex=1252900800&en=331d6db9dff26282&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland

[Morbis]

If a thiest can prove to me in a scientific manner the existance of a God, that is a repeatable test that can be checked by multiple different sources, then I will convert. Untill then I believe its the thiests duty to try and prove Gods existance, not an Athiests to prove he doesnt when the only proof are texts written by man.

I would also accept the repeated smiting of multiple people in an obviously unnatural way; you know, repeated lightning bolts to the face.

[Zakkery]

something abstract: explain Deja Vu.

I don't need to explain it to believe in it, because i've experienced it, i have no clue as to how it happens, but i know it does. The same does not apply to religion, there is no proof, hence i dont believe it.

[holychicken]

something abstract: explain Deja Vu.
LMAO! Are you seriously using deja vu as evidence of god? Classic.

[psychosiszz]

Well Religion just seems to be a reason to separate people. Look through out history the amount of people who have been killed due to it.
How peaceful the world would be without Religion. It makes no sense why should I believe in some garbage made up by a probably insane crack pot thosands of years ago. Religion as always been a means to control a nations populas, even now in the middleeast we can see that in affect. Though in western countrys that control has pretty much ended.

[Odium]

Atheists don't have to prove there is no god, the burden of proof is on the believer.
For the disbeliever to prove himself right, he has to prove that there is no god in all the infinitude of the universe; for the believer to prove himself, he simply has to prove that there is a god in one place.
If someone who didn't believe in Santa had the burden of proof, there would be no way for him to prove it, so we would all have to believe in Santa.

I'm not even religious and I'll call that bullshit. The burden of proof is on whoever is trying to convince the other that he's right. If some religious nutjob comes up to me and starts trying to save me, then the burden of proof is on him. Likewise, if I go up to some religious person with the intent on getting him to turn away from his faith, the burden of proof is on me.

[Aragoni]

Though in western countrys that control has pretty much ended.

United States of America begs to differ!

[Teutates]

Just as any religious idiot, if you think about it, it does not differ from any other religion because you firmly believe there is no god(lack of), you might think you are a rationalist but you are not.

the only true answer is, that we don't know.
Can you truthfully look me in the eyes and say there is Santa Claus? No.
But can you truthfully look me in the eyes and tell with 100% that Santa does not exist. No. Why? Do you have any proof he does not exist?

The only logical answer is that you just don't know.
We must stop giving a fuck about this, and live our life's to our full potential.

We can only hope that in the end there is a god, and tells us not to worry about our sins and forgive humanity for what it has become.

Hope people, our main motivation to make our life's better.

I can look you in the eyes and say "There is no Santa". Sorry for ruining your childish dreams.

[Layedballer]

Just as with santa claus, or any other imaginary thing(unicorns, flying pigs etc) you can use probability and logic to reason that there is probably no santa, unicorns, god etc...

[Jo0wZ]

Have fun
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5194382.stm
http://books.google.com/books?id=5flMtjmezeYC&dq=the+deja+vu+experience+alan+brown&pg=PP1&ots=ugU8LkXHOA&sig=-MPgMH6oJTkN4kchoJMKzVgcBwk&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-49,GGLD:en&q=the+deja+vu+experience+alan+brown&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail
http://www.neurologychannel.com/seizures/types.shtml
http://science.howstuffworks.com/question657.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/14/science/14deja.html?ex=1252900800&en=331d6db9dff26282&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland

all speculation, theories, no facts, biased.
Seriously, Deja Vu occurs to me on a daily basis, I dream about a fraction of a moment, I wake up I still have the moment in my head, I continue my day and every time it happens.

In one of the news it said they used hypnosis to analyze this....now explain hypnosis to me as many people don't believe it's true.

[lemmingsoup]

I haven't read the thread so someone might have pointed it out already, but some of you are confused on the actual definition of atheism and agnosticism.

Basically an agnostic considers there to be no way of attaining knowledge of god, not only saying that they don't know but that it is impossible to do so. All agnostics must be atheists.

Atheists simply do not believe in a god, they can be uncertain, they can have a hunch, so long as they do not believe they are not theists. Most atheists are agnostic (it is not a matter of degrees, if you don't think it is possible to be certain whether or not god exists you are an agnostic). However, it is possible to be an atheist and absolutely certain that god does not exist. This is a rare situation however, far less common than religious people who are certain that god does exist and that it is as their dogma teaches them.

[holychicken]

all speculation, theories, no facts, biased.
Seriously, Deja Vu occurs to me on a daily basis, I dream about a fraction of a moment, I wake up I still have the moment in my head, I continue my day and every time it happens.

In one of the news it said they used hypnosis to analyze this....now explain hypnosis to me as many people don't believe it's true.
I love it. Your weak point gets thrown back in your face and you just deny it.

You are a typical head-in-the-sand religious nutter.

[Jo0wZ]

LMAO! Are you seriously using deja vu as evidence of god? Classic.

No dude, you are missing the point.

[Vessol]

all speculation, theories, no facts, biased.


Yes.

So is gravity, and every other scientific theory.

Go back to your hole, troll.

Seriously.

[Targuil]

Am I an idiot just because I don't want to pay frigging 200 bucks a year to church for nothing?

[akrippler]

all speculation, theories, no facts, biased.
Seriously, Deja Vu occurs to me on a daily basis, I dream about a fraction of a moment, I wake up I still have the moment in my head, I continue my day and every time it happens.

In one of the news it said they used hypnosis to analyze this....now explain hypnosis to me as many people don't believe it's true.

I think people see hypnosis as way too much of a spiritual thing when in reality its a scientific thing, your tricking somones brain, getting somone to recall past expeirences previously lost in the mind is something I think is possible through hypnosis. Making somone dance around and cluck like a chicken I personally think is nothing more than a show.

[Jo0wZ]

I love it. Your weak point gets thrown back in your face and you just deny it.

You are a typical head-in-the-sand religious nutter.

I'm not religious idiot, while would I accept some biased info that is not true, I have every right to say it isn't and my experience on it.


If I told you you wear orange/purple shoes every day, would you accept it as the truth?

[Aragoni]

Am I an idiot just because I don't want to pay frigging 200 bucks a year to church for nothing?

I pay money to the church. Not because I like Christianity, I just don't like the thought of the churches to be abandoned. They're beautiful IMO.
Plus if I'd die I wouldn't have the right to get a funeral and my parents would have a living hell.

[holychicken]

No dude, you are missing the point.
What's your point, then? Is it that believing in something for which there is no evidence is the same as not believing in something for which there is no evidence?

[Jo0wZ]

Am I an idiot just because I don't want to pay frigging 200 bucks a year to church for nothing?

Okay, don't bring the American Church propaganda in here.

[ExiliuM]

Yes.

So is gravity, and every other scientific theory.

Go back to your hole, troll.

Seriously.

Since when is gravity a theory?

[holychicken]

I'm not religious idiot, while would I accept some biased info that is not true, I have every right to say it isn't and my experience on it.
What are you babbling about? Sorry, my understanding of religious nutter is rather limited.

[Layedballer]

Since when is gravity a theory?

Since we do not know if gravity is a constant in all corners of the universe we can not confirm it is fact, therefore it will remain a theory

[Odium]

Since when is gravity a theory?

Since always?

[Jo0wZ]

Throughout the thread, you guy's try to convince me there is no god.

I made my point. We just don't know.

[Ankh]

wut?

Did the OP state that we don't know if there's a Santa?

Of course there's a Santa.

[Anaklusmos]

Oh boy here we go with a religious thread...

Anyway either way you look at it Atheist, monotheist, agnostic, polytheist. There is absolutely no way to disprove the existence of any type of belief. If I was under the assumption that little gnomes ran around behind peoples backs when they couldn't see them, no one could in 100% confidence falsify the claim without significant data that could never be acquired. lol I mean the whole argument is completely irrelevent, smurfs don't even have reproductive organs under those..little..white pants..the whole thing is illogical, i mean whats the point of living if you dont have a dick?

haha anyway all I am saying is:

Atheists: You don't have to believe in a god who cares, live your life, but it also doesn't give you the justification to deny people's beliefs who do believe in god. We should all kind of follow the common belief of decency and brotherhood.

Non-atheists: You have the whole every painting has a painter theory, intelligent design. Here is the thing though, who cares who believes in your god or not. If you truly are devout to the right god then when you die you will go to heaven or valhalla (hehe), and the people who didn't believe wont go anywhere. Basically taking part in bringing other religions or non-relgions down can be seen as an act of non-compassion thus making your status worse with your god. Just stick to your beliefs and when your time comes you'll be better off without judging :).

Besides we all know that the only real religion is Jediism anyway...:lmao:

[Signus]

Just as any religious idiot, if you think about it, it does not differ from any other religion because you firmly believe there is no god(lack of), you might think you are a rationalist but you are not.

the only true answer is, that we don't know.
Can you truthfully look me in the eyes and say there is Santa Claus? No.
But can you truthfully look me in the eyes and tell with 100% that Santa does not exist. No. Why? Do you have any proof he does not exist?

The only logical answer is that you just don't know.
We must stop giving a fuck about this, and live our life's to our full potential.

We can only hope that in the end there is a god, and tells us not to worry about our sins and forgive humanity for what it has become.

Hope people, our main motivation to make our life's better.

Almost all the self appointed logical atheists on these forums are all hypocrites, and I'd go far as to call them morons, because they don't realize/admit they are.

Their excuse? "But....we're right."

[holychicken]

Throughout the thread, you guy's try to convince me there is no god.

I made my point. We just don't know.
I am not trying to convince you of anything, I am just pointing out how ridiculous your logic is.

Basically, what you are saying is that if I have no evidence that the crazy guy next to me on the subway is not actually being hunted by the CIA, I am just as crazy as he is if I don't believe it is happening. That's just pure nonsense.

There is absolutely nothing similar between believing in something for which there is no proof and not believing in something for which there is no proof.

[Master25]

Just as any religious idiot, if you think about it, it does not differ from any other religion because you firmly believe there is no god(lack of), you might think you are a rationalist but you are not.

the only true answer is, that we don't know.
Can you truthfully look me in the eyes and say there is Santa Claus? No.
But can you truthfully look me in the eyes and tell with 100% that Santa does not exist. No. Why? Do you have any proof he does not exist?

The only logical answer is that you just don't know.
We must stop giving a fuck about this, and live our life's to our full potential.

We can only hope that in the end there is a god, and tells us not to worry about our sins and forgive humanity for what it has become.

Hope people, our main motivation to make our life's better.

This is what makes Holland good, we have common sense.
Instead of saying there is a god we never saw or never heard off, or instead of saying god doesn't exist when we don't have proof, we just keep it real, and say: WE DON'T CARE, WE DON'T KNOW.

I don't believe in any kind of god, I don't think he does exist.
But who am I to say that?
Is there any proof he doesn't exist? or is there any proof he does?
No.

There are alot of things we don't know about our universe, and you can't deny it.

[Lazyd]

Why do agnostics continue to spew bullshit?

Kill yourself plz.

[shadowy]

Throughout the thread, you guy's try to convince me there is no god.

I made my point. We just don't know.

I suppose it's remotely possible there's a being that's vastly superior to us, even omnipotent but it doesn't make couple thousand year old fairy tales any more thruthful.

[Targuil]

Okay, don't bring the American Church propaganda in here.
I Live closer than you think. I just cant see why I should pay.

[PrimalSign]

But can you truthfully look me in the eyes and tell with 100% that Santa does not exist. No. Why? Do you have any proof he does not exist?

You do realize that even the much hated Richard Dawkins believes there is always the remote possibility of there being some supernatural being(s), right?

[Fluffington]

Just as any religious idiot, if you think about it, it does not differ from any other religion because you firmly believe there is no god(lack of), you might think you are a rationalist but you are not.

the only true answer is, that we don't know.
Can you truthfully look me in the eyes and say there is Santa Claus? No.
But can you truthfully look me in the eyes and tell with 100% that Santa does not exist. No. Why? Do you have any proof he does not exist?

The only logical answer is that you just don't know.
We must stop giving a fuck about this, and live our life's to our full potential.

We can only hope that in the end there is a god, and tells us not to worry about our sins and forgive humanity for what it has become.

Hope people, our main motivation to make our life's better.

The moon is made of chocolate! Oh belief. Yes, you cannot prove many things in life but logic points us in a clear direction. Athiesm is a lack of belief, there is always the chance of being wrong.

So about the moon, I say it is made of chocolate, you've never been and nor can you, yourself prove otherwise. Now you must admit there is a chance for such a stupid thing, even if I say it was a lie. Why? I presented a possibility you cannot refute. This is the life blood conspiracy theorists.

Simply, an unrealistic belief is all religion is to an athiest. As an athiest I truly believe there is no god, or I have no belief in any kind of sorcerer who conjured the universe. I am willing to admit there is an infinately small chance of such a thing existing, but I do not believe so. I would say the chances of god existing are about the same as the moon being made of chocolate, your argument supports this.

[Joebh]

God made this post.

[Aragoni]

God made this post.

If God creates such lame +1 posts it's time to hang him.

[Signus]

The best part of it all, is that whenever this stupid little argument breaks out, the radical atheists act as if there is absolutely 0 evidence, which is just incorrect. There is plenty of evidence, they just don't care to use it because it goes against their belief. Let's sing the bigot hypocrite song now yay!

[Jo0wZ]

I am not trying to convince you of anything, I am just pointing out how ridiculous your logic is.

Basically, what you are saying is that if I have no evidence that the crazy guy next to me on the subway is not actually being hunted by the CIA, I am just as crazy as he is if I don't believe it is happening. That's just pure nonsense.

There is absolutely nothing similar between believing in something for which there is no proof and not believing in something for which there is no proof.

Yes, because then you are a rationalist. Also you are saying Agnosticism is ridiculous?

[Aragoni]

There is plenty of evidence

Such as?

[Jo0wZ]

The moon is made of chocolate! Oh belief. Yes, you cannot prove many things in life but logic points us in a clear direction. Athiesm is a lack of belief, there is always the chance of being wrong.

So about the moon, I say it is made of chocolate, you've never been and nor can you, yourself prove otherwise. Now you must admit there is a chance for such a stupid thing, even if I say it was a lie. Why? I presented a possibility you cannot refute. This is the life blood conspiracy theorists.

Simply, an unrealistic belief is all religion is to an athiest. As an athiest I truly believe there is no god, or I have no belief in any kind of sorcerer who conjured the universe. I am willing to admit there is an infinately small chance of such a thing existing, but I do not believe so. I would say the chances of god existing are about the same as the moon being made of chocolate, your argument supports this.

The moon is not made out of chocolate idiot, we got moon rock samples, you religious nut-job.

[Anaklusmos]

hey for everyone else who is sick of this thread...

I got one ready????

If you cloned yourself and had sex with it
would you be gay?
or on the cutting edge of masturbation?

[Jo0wZ]

hey for everyone else who is sick of this thread...

I got one ready????

If you cloned yourself and had sex with it
would you be gay?
or on the cutting edge of masturbation?

Depends if the cloned self has a conscious mind or the duplicate entry of your own.
nevermind...
also skip this, it's quite gay as masturbation is stimulating yourself(your own body).

[Layedballer]

hey for everyone else who is sick of this thread...

I got one ready????

If you cloned yourself and had sex with it
would you be gay?
or on the cutting edge of masturbation?

Fuck off n00b

[Anaklusmos]

Fuck off n00b

aww leet speak how cute...i used to think that way cool once too!

[akrippler]

The moon is not made out of chocolate idiot, we got moon rock samples, you religious nut-job.

Says who? Have you seen theese moon rocks yourself? Did you watch them collect and bring it back so you are 100% sure its the same rock they collected from the moon? How do you know they didnt eat all the chocolate on the ride back and replaced it with some crap rocks they grabbed before launch.

[Jesus]

I'm not even religious and I'll call that bullshit. The burden of proof is on whoever is trying to convince the other that he's right. If some religious nutjob comes up to me and starts trying to save me, then the burden of proof is on him. Likewise, if I go up to some religious person with the intent on getting him to turn away from his faith, the burden of proof is on me.

The problem with that is that both parties could be trying to convince each-other. Which is most often the case actually.
What then?

[Anaklusmos]

OHHH CRAP its over now...Jesus has arrived

[Jo0wZ]

You do realize that even the much hated Richard Dawkins believes there is always the remote possibility of there being some supernatural being(s), right?

Yes, I know he's on a scale of (creationist)1 to 7(atheist) a 6,5.

By the way did you know that Einstein said this?

Einstein - The more I study science, the more I believe in God.

[Anaklusmos]

im telling you.....


JEDIISM

[Jo0wZ]

Says who? Have you seen theese moon rocks yourself? Did you watch them collect and bring it back so you are 100% sure its the same rock they collected from the moon? How do you know they didnt eat all the chocolate on the ride back and replaced it with some crap rocks they grabbed before launch.

You can't all the chocolate on the way back on scale size as Australia. Impossible you'd have massive diarrhea.

[akrippler]

Einstein - The more I study science, the more I believe in God.

Do you have any idea WHY he said that?


Because he had questions that he couldnt find asnwers to. And whats the easiest way to explain/justify something? By saying some all powerfull being did it.

[Aragoni]

Yes, I know he's on a scale of (creationist)1 to 7(atheist) a 6,5.

By the way did you know that Einstein said this?

Einstein - The more I study science, the more I believe in God.

Did you know that Einstein lived in an era where Atheism, even Agnosticism, was uncommon and where science didn't have as many breakthroughs in all departments as today?

[forestchild]

Just as any religious idiot, if you think about it, it does not differ from any other religion because you firmly believe there is no god(lack of), you might think you are a rationalist but you are not.

the only true answer is, that we don't know.
Can you truthfully look me in the eyes and say there is Santa Claus? No.
But can you truthfully look me in the eyes and tell with 100% that Santa does not exist. No. Why? Do you have any proof he does not exist?

The only logical answer is that you just don't know.
We must stop giving a fuck about this, and live our life's to our full potential.

We can only hope that in the end there is a god, and tells us not to worry about our sins and forgive humanity for what it has become.

Hope people, our main motivation to make our life's better.

Try with a honest openmind analyse what you just wrote down here and then i hope you will see that you have alot to learn and not have much wisdom yet;)

[Jo0wZ]

Did you know that Einstein lived in an era where Atheism, even Agnosticism, was uncommon and where science didn't have as many breakthroughs in all departments as today?

Did you know you can break your penis?
There is no "penis bone," but you can break your penis all the same. It's called penile fracture, and it's not a subtle injury. When it happens, there's "an audible pop or snap,". Then the penis turns black and blue. And there's terrible pain.

[Yobaj]

Eh yea santa does not exist and I have proof.

[akrippler]

Did you know you can break your penis?
There is no "penis bone," but you can break your penis all the same. It's called penile fracture, and it's not a subtle injury. When it happens, there's "an audible pop or snap,". Then the penis turns black and blue. And there's terrible pain.

I was in the shower with my old girlfriend and we both slipped and fell while it was in and I dont think i had a penile fracture but I think I pulled a muscle because my shit hurt for 2 weeks after that.

[Painweaver]

Just as any religious idiot, if you think about it, it does not differ from any other religion because you firmly believe there is no god(lack of), you might think you are a rationalist but you are not.

the only true answer is, that we don't know.
Can you truthfully look me in the eyes and say there is Santa Claus? No.
But can you truthfully look me in the eyes and tell with 100% that Santa does not exist. No. Why? Do you have any proof he does not exist?

The only logical answer is that you just don't know.
We must stop giving a fuck about this, and live our life's to our full potential.

We can only hope that in the end there is a god, and tells us not to worry about our sins and forgive humanity for what it has become.

Hope people, our main motivation to make our life's better.

...and yet now, you're no better than those you hate.

A religious guy, saying his god is the only right path in life.

Atheists bus banners.

An agnostic telling both parties they're wrong, and he's right "We can't know, that's the only right answer!".

I hope you see what I did there. No matter what your belief; keep it to yourself.

[forestchild]

Yes, I know he's on a scale of (creationist)1 to 7(atheist) a 6,5.

By the way did you know that Einstein said this?

Einstein - The more I study science, the more I believe in God.

Becouse he still not had enough intelligents and wisdom to understand it all, after all he just was a simple primitive human, who also did not undertsand the bigger picture of the universe and life it self :)

And sure for humans he had a little more undertsanding of some things but he also was still very limited to fully undertsand it all.

[holychicken]

Yes, because then you are a rationalist. Also you are saying Agnosticism is ridiculous?
I don't even think believing in any god is all that ridiculous. Just trying to equate the belief of something for which there is no proof to the non-belief in something because there is no proof is just nonsense.

[holychicken]

Yes, I know he's on a scale of (creationist)1 to 7(atheist) a 6,5.

By the way did you know that Einstein said this?

Einstein - The more I study science, the more I believe in God.
The fact that you capitalized god in that quote shows to me that you know nothing of Einstein's religious beliefs.

Go read about them before you make a much bigger fool of yourself.

[Loose]

Yes let us succumb to uncertainty and forever hope. And soon hope will turn to lust, one of the deadly sins. Religious arguments are pointless because they have no basis.

[Dhig]

Einstein - The more I study science, the more I believe in God.

He also said, "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

And, "My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."

So there you go...

[Aragoni]

Did you know you can break your penis?
There is no "penis bone," but you can break your penis all the same. It's called penile fracture, and it's not a subtle injury. When it happens, there's "an audible pop or snap,". Then the penis turns black and blue. And there's terrible pain.

I'm sorry? What?

[kiasta]

Just as any religious idiot, if you think about it, it does not differ from any other religion because you firmly believe there is no god(lack of), you might think you are a rationalist but you are not.

the only true answer is, that we don't know.
Can you truthfully look me in the eyes and say there is Santa Claus? No.
But can you truthfully look me in the eyes and tell with 100% that Santa does not exist. No. Why? Do you have any proof he does not exist?

The only logical answer is that you just don't know.
We must stop giving a fuck about this, and live our life's to our full potential.

We can only hope that in the end there is a god, and tells us not to worry about our sins and forgive humanity for what it has become.

Hope people, our main motivation to make our life's better.

There is proof Santa Claus doesn't exist. He died 100's of years ago. :ninja:

[PrimalSign]

By the way did you know that Einstein said this?

Einstein - The more I study science, the more I believe in God.

Did you know Einstein's "god" is nothing like the Abrahamic god?

Did you know you can break your penis?
There is no "penis bone," but you can break your penis all the same. It's called penile fracture, and it's not a subtle injury. When it happens, there's "an audible pop or snap,". Then the penis turns black and blue. And there's terrible pain.

I learned that shit the hard way. Back before I knew what my erection even was (some time before middle school) I got really annoyed with my boners and tried breaking them. Needless to say, I eventually succeeded.

Never again.

[Jo0wZ]

He also said, "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

And, "My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."

So there you go...

Yup, he's a genius for a reason.

[Banok]

I can truthfully say that santa does not exist.

[forestchild]

The problem with that is that both parties could be trying to convince each-other. Which is most often the case actually.
What then?

No its not, im an atheist whole my life and i never try convince anybody.

When i come across others and we discuss matters like this i give my opinion on how i see things and they can do with what they feel right or not.

Only if some relgious freak come to me and try convince me i must believe in god or i end up in hell ill just say that god dont excist and evolution is true not creation by some supremebeing.

But i dont belong to atheist group that try convince believers in a god to not believe, its there free choice to believe or not as long they dont bother me with it.

[shadowy]

...

Only if some relgious freak come to me and try convince me i must believe in god or i end up in hell ill just say that god dont excist and evolution is true not creation by some supremebeing.

...

There are lots of theists who think Evolution theory is correct btw.

[Malcheil]

Well, i think the biggest problem is that peoples definition of God is wrong. I dont think god is nessecarily a single being, he who decides who goes to hell and who goes to heaven. He is just the collective consciouisness and energy that binds all things in the universe, and you decide whether or not your life is a living hell or a living heaven based upon your actions and way of life. In essence, you are a part of God and so is everyone else. This is actually what most modern religions stress like judism and christianty and islam.

Anyone who points to science proving that God dosent exist is obviously not a true scientist. A true scientist questions everything, and does not rule out the existance of anything without testing a hypothesis over and over again, and even then it still dosent 100% prove anything. So far, there is nothing to prove God doesn't exist or does not exist. Do not forget that mathematics and science are still based on human variables and symbols, and are limited solely by the fact that we have created a system so that WE understand what we experience. And what we actually perceive and experience is such a small percent of this infinite universe.

Also, to say religion is bullshit.... well you obviously have never studied religion at least past face value. Do you know of the 7 heavenly virtues written by the catholic church. Whether or not you believe in jesus christ or God dosent matter, if you live by the 7 heavenly virtues im almost positive you will create a heaven on earth for yourself.

How about buddism, zen buddhism? Possibly the most down to earth and practical religion i have ever read about. The first precept in buddhism is to refrain from taking sentient life. If everyone just followed that one thing, this world would be a much better place.

The problem with religion today is that, alot of religious groups are run by fanatics who take the meanings in their teachings too literally. This is called ignorance and runs rampant in our society, being spread by propaganda. Its a shame so many of these religious fanatic leaders give their religions a bad name.

The one thing you have to remember is to keep an open mind. The minute you decide you are one thing or another is the moment you place your perception into a corner and turn off the light.

May peace be with us all.

[Aragoni]

Only if some relgious freak come to me and try convince me i must believe in god or i end up in hell ill just say that god dont excist and evolution is true not creation by some supremebeing.

You can combine the belief of god(s) and evolution though.

Well, i think the biggest problem is that peoples definition of God is wrong.

That's certainly a quite arrogant thing to say. How do you know that other peoples definition of God is wrong?

[Mo0rbid]

Do you have any proof he does not exist?

the burden of proof lies with the person making claims of the existance

[Fluffington]

The moon is not made out of chocolate idiot, we got moon rock samples, you religious nut-job.

It's an example idiot. You cannot prove those come from the moon either. It's simple, you believe they do. When will you learn that not all beliefs are reasonable? You tell the difference without realizing it.

Ok, this is my last shot and pumping some intelligence into you. Taking any non first hand information is nothing but believing in what others have told and shown you. Using your logic, which is that any possibility that cannot be entirely disproven (in this case religion) it must be taken half seriously. Now I said the moon is made of chocolate, you cannot prove or disprove this, personally. Unless you have been to the moon (you haven't) then you have taken on second hand or third hand information and you belief it to be accurate. Your logic must work both ways if it is to be considered even half reasonable, so then if someone cannot be proven false or true, you must always acknowledge the possibility of it being true.

You said the moon isn't made of chocolate, you took your beliefs and applied them as facts, which is reasonable. Athiests do this to religion. Now if you cannot comprehend this, you shouldn't be calling anyone stupid.

[Grahf]

I hate this thread so much. :bang:

[Mo0rbid]

I wanna shoot this thread in the face

[Dhig]

Yup, he's a genius for a reason.

He had the same motivation as many others. He just expressed it differently.
Just like many agnostics do today when they say they are part atheist.
What he says about god is what people also says in this thread but in another way.
That it is a human weakness and that moral doesnt need religion.

I say that there could be powerful beings but they are just a possibilities.
My morale values doesnt come from a religion. And I see a weakness in humans that are religious. Because they are atheist against other religions (possibilities) and science (more possibilities).
That same reason I see the same weakness in pure atheist.

[pongo]

Just as any religious idiot, if you think about it, it does not differ from any other religion because you firmly believe there is no god(lack of), you might think you are a rationalist but you are not.

the only true answer is, that we don't know.
Can you truthfully look me in the eyes and say there is Santa Claus? No.
But can you truthfully look me in the eyes and tell with 100% that Santa does not exist. No. Why? Do you have any proof he does not exist?

The only logical answer is that you just don't know.
We must stop giving a fuck about this, and live our life's to our full potential.

We can only hope that in the end there is a god, and tells us not to worry about our sins and forgive humanity for what it has become.

Hope people, our main motivation to make our life's better.

Dear OP,

No shit. Do you think you are making a groundbreaking discovery by stating that there is no way to prove that something does not exist? Are we supposed to feel enlightened by your completely unique post, which by the way is just as annoying and audacious as the atheists that you are for some reason so pissed of at?

Let me break this down for you so you can understand. I am an atheist. I do not believe in a god, but if there were proof of a god, then I would have no problem admitting my mistake. But as long as there is no proof, I will take my chances with the explanations that are most plausible. I do not find the idea of an invisible, omnipotent god controlling everything and everyone very plausible. The big bang theory and the evolution theory, however, seem much more plausible to me. Therefore, I will take my chances and follow the scientific route.

Atheists, at least the competent ones, know that there is no way to prove that god does not exist. They know that you can only prove things. However, the burden of proof is on the one making the positive claim - in this case, religious people. Just like the American justice system, one is innocent until proven guilty.

So until you come up with either a)proof of a god, or b) a more rational explanation, then I will stay an atheist.

Oh, and the reason why we give a fuck about religion is because it spreads misinformation and lies throughout the world, which often lead to bad things: war and elitism for example. Sure, some Chrisitan(using this religion for practical purposes) morals are good. Preaching love and humility is something I fully agree with. However, you just do not need a religion to do that.


So, until there is proof of a god, atheists will not believe in it.

tl;dr: No shit OP, I don't like you, and you don't understand and/or are severely misinformed about atheism.

[Anaklusmos]

I hate this thread so much. :bang:

agreed

[o4saken]

I believe in God based on my experiences in life thus far. Without them, I would more than likely be atheist as well. To say there's no solid evidence proving the existence of a God is true; the bible and other religious references could be made up. I had to let myself be open to the possibilities, though.

At the same time, there's no solid evidence that proves God isn't real. Scientists are continuously trying to disprove the possibility of a god. In the end, it's based off speculation. Logical speculation? I don't think so. Something you can't see/touch/taste/smell/hear? There are several things in our world that hold these characteristics. Why is it so far fetched for something to have them all at once? (here come the cliche unicorn jokes. seriously? get some new shit) I ask, what real evidence is there that God doesn't exist or that there's no possible way for a god to exist?

[shadowy]

...

That's certainly a quite arrogant thing to say. How do you know that other peoples definition of God is wrong?

Well since we can all agree on the fact that we don't know the nature of god it's reasonable to assume that the person in question doesn't know the nature of the god either, thus it's very likely that he's incorrect.

[Jo0wZ]

It's an example idiot. You cannot prove those come from the moon either. It's simple, you believe they do. When will you learn that not all beliefs are reasonable? You tell the difference without realizing it.

Ok, this is my last shot and pumping some intelligence into you. Taking any non first hand information is nothing but believing in what others have told and shown you. Using your logic, which is that any possibility that cannot be entirely disproven (in this case religion) it must be taken half seriously. Now I said the moon is made of chocolate, you cannot prove or disprove this, personally. Unless you have been to the moon (you haven't) then you have taken on second hand or third hand information and you belief it to be accurate. Your logic must work both ways if it is to be considered even half reasonable, so then if someone cannot be proven false or true, you must always acknowledge the possibility of it being true.

You said the moon isn't made of chocolate, you took your beliefs and applied them as facts, which is reasonable. Athiests do this to religion. Now if you cannot comprehend this, you shouldn't be calling anyone stupid.

You are taking my post too serious. I shall explain again. We don't know. The end.

Also chocolate moons, how do you come up with this

[Painweaver]

what real evidence is there that God doesn't exist or that there's no possible way for a god to exist?

That's just it, no camp has any evidence at all. Hence why some call themselves agnostic.

[amallami]

This thread is about as useless as this one:
"Christians are stupid (http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=101099)"

It should have been closed just as fast... Actually, I'm pretty sure that the "Christians are stupid (http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=101099)" is a direct response to the "Athiests are stupid. (http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=101051)"

[forestchild]

This thread is about as useless as this one:
"Athiests are stupid. (http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=101099"Christians are stupid[/URL]"

It should have been closed just as fast... Actually, I'm pretty sure that the "Christians are stupid"is a direct response to the "[URL="http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=101051)"

Its closed:P

[Nexus]

I love the religious reasoning of 'atheism is like a religion because you believe there is no god'.

Usually followed by an equally retarded statement such as 'but you acknowledge that you don't believe in god therefore admitting that god exists by choosing not to believe in him' or some such other garbage.

[mecamind]

Just as any religious idiot, if you think about it, it does not differ from any other religion because you firmly believe there is no god(lack of), you might think you are a rationalist but you are not.

the only true answer is, that we don't know.
Can you truthfully look me in the eyes and say there is Santa Claus? No.
But can you truthfully look me in the eyes and tell with 100% that Santa does not exist. No. Why? Do you have any proof he does not exist?

The only logical answer is that you just don't know.
We must stop giving a fuck about this, and live our life's to our full potential.

We can only hope that in the end there is a god, and tells us not to worry about our sins and forgive humanity for what it has become.

Hope people, our main motivation to make our life's better.


What kind of ridiculous self infused moronic gibberish is this!? There is no glory for your frail ego in bashing any belief system human kind has generated Countless religions and or belief structures, its a very human role to instill in faith.

You must be a very uneducated young person to make a post that is totally incoherent. Santa Claus??? Read up a bit before you make such boy-like references. Fiction will always be just that. Your Ideals may not be shared so its best not to post nonsense like this EVER anywhere... Good day.

[Ion_StormH]

No wai! We ar3 ze IntelligEnZ!!111

I am ze ub0r athiest!!11

[Dayzd]

Religion should be kept personal, imo. Applies to any belief, even the belief in not believing in a deity.

Something to think about (again): What if a deity made the laws of physics and made the Big Bang happen?
*Throws a pie of philosophy*

The is the Christian Clock Work Theory.

Btw I'm agnostic, I don't deny or accept the existence of a god.

[[O]_Fawkes]

I would like to kiss you right now.

[Viranth]

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